Fresh Water for folks traveling out of the affected areas.
Simple things like Anti-Bacterial soap. Alcohol [ isopropyl ].
Hydrogen Peroxide..
Large Band-Aids
Anti-infection ointments
Cortaid for rashes..
Gasoline, for that special situation.
Paper Towels and TP...Remember what happened last time..Even something as simple as first-aid and a shower, can save a life.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Well, setting a few bucks aside for the Hurricane relief funds....Any suggestions?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Well, my idea of helping out was not Online gambling of where the first one will hit and what catagory.
Online gambling on Hurricanes exploding on the internet gambling sites..
Ya think our fearless leader has his bets placed?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Hurricane warning for East Coast of Florida.. 70 MPH winds at Sea.
Just yesturday they said it was not going to Hurricane Force winds.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
We could all buy NLST and devote 1% of profits.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Location: 27.1 North West?
Sustained winds:55-70 mph Gusts:? Rain: up to 10 inches 997 MLB Storm surge 8-10 feet Tornado warnings up Water temp 80-81 degrees
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Building supplys in very limited supply.. Contractors to do the work very limited.
Many roofs not fixed properly from last year. A donation of plywood could really help folks out.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Gusts to 86 mph now.
Posted by westcott on :
I live in west central Florida. Home Depot, Lowes, Cox...you name it...are replete with building supplies and "hurricane necessities": generators, plywood, batteries, tarps, rope, bottled water, wind-up radios, lanterns, flashlights, etc...all the above were flowing like milk and honey in the Promised Land.
If people have a scintilla of initiative, a little common sense and are in decent health then "Hurricane Season" is a no-brainer.
Alberto is nothing but a blessing for the State of Florida - we needed some serious rain.
I am hoping Alberto takes an immediate turn to the East and increases to a Cat 2 - my trees could use some pruning from Mother Nature.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Westcott, care to 'splain your Governors comments?
quote by westcott: If people have a scintilla of initiative, a little common sense and are in decent health then "Hurricane Season" is a no-brainer.
am hoping Alberto takes an immediate turn to the East and increases to a Cat 2 - my trees could use some pruning from Mother Nature. ------------------------------------------------- Tell that to the Andrew, Katrina, and Rita folks. Geezz man you are one strange piece of work.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Actually, I will not donate anything.
Goes back to my above post. If you're dumb enough to live in Hurricane alley, and your house gets smashed, welcome to Lord of Flies.
No lumber? No water? MOVE INLAND.
All profits for me.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Real neighborly ain't ya..LOL
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Actually, I will not donate anything.
Goes back to my above post. If you're dumb enough to live in Hurricane alley, and your house gets smashed, welcome to Lord of Flies.
No lumber? No water? MOVE INLAND.
All profits for me.
You live in Pennsylvania. What natural disasters hit there? Hmmm, none that I can think of. Ok, how about this. What if all the Quakers and Amish folks decided to ban together and rape, pillage, and plunder your state, and your home was one that some half crazed Amish woman decided to torch? You'd be looking for all the charitable donations you could get your hands on, wouldn't you?
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
Now that you've brought the Amish into this... you should know that the Amish refuse any and all government assistance, no matter what. We can all take a valuable lesson from the Amish. When any kind of disaster or tragedy strikes, they get the job done themselves. They take care of things themselves... they don't need or rely on the blue suits in D.C.
The Amish don't suck off the government's teet like the ghettophiles in New Orleans do. I believe the government has limited responsibility in these matters. It doesn't make sense that Americans complain when the government listens to their phone calls and then they complain when the government doesn't come and clean up their messes. It's time to grow up...
Posted by Upside on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: Now that you've brought the Amish into this... you should know that the Amish refuse any and all government assistance, no matter what. We can all take a valuable lesson from the Amish. When any kind of disaster or tragedy strikes, they get the job done themselves. They take care of things themselves... they don't need or rely on the blue suits in D.C.
The Amish don't suck off the government's teet like the ghettophiles in New Orleans do. I believe the government has limited responsibility in these matters. It doesn't make sense that Americans complain when the government listens to their phone calls and then they complain when the government doesn't come and clean up their messes. It's time to grow up...
Right. But I'm making the assumption that repoman is not Amish. He is using a computer after all.
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: Now that you've brought the Amish into this... you should know that the Amish refuse any and all government assistance, no matter what. We can all take a valuable lesson from the Amish. When any kind of disaster or tragedy strikes, they get the job done themselves. They take care of things themselves... they don't need or rely on the blue suits in D.C.
The Amish don't suck off the government's teet like the ghettophiles in New Orleans do. I believe the government has limited responsibility in these matters. It doesn't make sense that Americans complain when the government listens to their phone calls and then they complain when the government doesn't come and clean up their messes. It's time to grow up...
Hey, you don't *sound* British... Posted by glassman on :
or American....
LOL....
haven't you heard Mr. Lava? it's all guaranteed in the constitution....
lessee, if i got this correct?
if you're poor? you don't deserve *any* help from the governmnet....
BUT? if you're *politically active* you deserve all the help you can buy with your political donations....
??????
Posted by casper on :
I live 25 miles from Tampa.I can say this is bul%6$#**.The news is playing this..
Posted by glassman on :
which part is bs? the "pre-emptive declaration of a state of emergency"?
Posted by casper on :
This is normal every year.We get rain stormes all the time this time of year every year..No biggie..
Posted by TickTrader on :
One of many disadvantages.
Government handouts come in many forms, you just have to walk away sometimes, I guess.
Posted by glassman on :
govt handouts?
our economy is so dependant on the Fed Govt handouts we would have a depression if they stopped.... and YES, the Amish would probably never skip a beat... i do admire that aspect of their culture...
every penny given to the poor goes into some business persons bottom line... that's why we call them poor people Posted by casper on :
I agree Glass....
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
After this hurricane season we may have a whole new group of poor. Guess the ones hollering the loudest about being self sufficiant and able to handle the situation will refuse government water, food, shelter and medical care, if their homes, money, livelyhood, and transportation are gone in a nights fury.
Posted by casper on :
Hurricanes,Earth Quakes,Tornadoes and what have you.That is all part of life.It has been here for ever and will be..
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by casper: Hurricanes,Earth Quakes,Tornadoes and what have you.That is all part of life.It has been here for ever and will be..
------------------------------------------------- Yes and as a civilized nation it is the responsibility of others to help those in need after such events.
Posted by casper on :
Dust,You are right...
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
What really puts the burr under most folks saddle is the waste and corruption before, during and after such events.
Posted by casper on :
Why does or news play this up? For $$$$ that is why.. the god all mighty $.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
casper look above your last post...
Not sure whats going with some news services at the present time..Mixed messages being sent out.
Posted by casper on :
Iam saying.That the news is playing this storm up.It is not that bad.It is for news$.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
CNN just said evacuation orders in effect for some areas of the NW Coast of Florida.
Some potential to become a cat 1.
70 mph sustained
[ June 12, 2006, 19:21: Message edited by: Dustoff101 ]
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: Now that you've brought the Amish into this... you should know that the Amish refuse any and all government assistance, no matter what. We can all take a valuable lesson from the Amish. When any kind of disaster or tragedy strikes, they get the job done themselves. They take care of things themselves... they don't need or rely on the blue suits in D.C.
The Amish don't suck off the government's teet like the ghettophiles in New Orleans do. I believe the government has limited responsibility in these matters. It doesn't make sense that Americans complain when the government listens to their phone calls and then they complain when the government doesn't come and clean up their messes. It's time to grow up...
First of all, if the Amish attempt to storm my homestead, I've got my Florida Non resident concealed weapon permit, and my 12 guage shotgun ready to take those quakers out from the back deck... BLAM!
Secondly, can we have conversations in reality here? Why don't you use aliens as your example?
Third, now I no longer wonder why we are a nation of VICTIMS, and probably will be conquered by Mexico in the next 100 years. Dusty - the gov't should help in your time of need??? Ok, maybe. But not private companies. No insurance for either the morons who live by the sea, or the rich who think they can beat Mother Nature. F 'em. If you build in a hurricane zone, tornado alley, earthquake area just so you can have a great view or float your yacht, I say DROWN m'ther f'cker when Mother Nature unleashes her PMS on yo azz.
Florida should be left to the gators.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Repo, didn't know you are a member of Greenpeace and Peta!!!!! Let them thar Gators take over Florida..LOL
Posted by glassman on :
Third, now I no longer wonder why we are a nation of VICTIMS, and probably will be conquered by Mexico in the next 100 years.
we aren't being conquered... we are being sold down the river.... and Bush is the auctioneer...
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
I keep getting calls and mail from the Republican national committee...
Oh' brother did I ever have fun with one in a phone conversation..
After pinning him to the matt on the issues, he actually told me he was not a republican but was just being paid a salary and commission to get donations!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Well, I can walk out to the deck, have a cup, smell supper cooking....No reason to believe the power will go out and the roads will be closed while my house is blown away...
Posted by westcott on :
The rain is awesome...what a beautiful night.
I'll miss you all tomorrow...jury duty calls...yeah!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Hurricane warnings just posted for west coast of Florida.
Posted by DWE on :
Miami!!! I cain't wait to see you again!!! HAHAHA!!!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Well, here we go...CNBC just stated no "Hurricane warnings" Fox news earlier stated "Hurricane warnings in affect.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
New and old posters, last year many members of Allstocks were without a way to contacting the outside world, they were helped by the good folks of Allstocks...
We cannot have DWE messing up the works when people could be in peril
Posted by alwaysup on :
Repo, I live in St Petersburg, 3 houses from the water. I don't mind hurricane threats. We have been fortunate enough to have been missed by the many storms in past couple of years. If we happen to get hit this year, I have insurance and stock in Home Depot, I can rebuild!
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101:
quote:Originally posted by casper: Hurricanes,Earth Quakes,Tornadoes and what have you.That is all part of life.It has been here for ever and will be..
------------------------------------------------- Yes and as a civilized nation it is the responsibility of others to help those in need after such events.
That sir, is precisely the correct answer to these matters. That is the Amish philosophy and it works beautifully. Other certain religious sects follow the same principles, which is -- we help each other, screw the government.
It's just within the last 80 years that America has become real sucklings of the government. You go back in history and look at major natural disasters that occured in the States during the 1800's and you see the government doing very little. The politicians weren't called upon to handle every little detail and giveaway ass-loads of money.
The state of Florida is a model state in this regard. They setup a very fine plan and are able to handle quite a bit without FEMA fouling things up. And the people in Florida, for the most part, rally together and take care of the problems.
Posted by westcott on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: And the people in Florida, for the most part, rally together and take care of the problems.
Exactly.
I'll turn to my neighbors and community every time before even thinking about turning to government.
However, the most effective way to manage one's own affairs is to prepare for the worst, be vigilant and live well within your means so when the worst does hit you have ample liquidity.
I am amazed at Americans who are so leveraged that when a stiff breeze hits their finances are all of a sudden in shambles. Talk about "bag holders"!?! Typically, responsible taxpayers get left holding the bags of other highly leveraged, ill-prepared Americans who go into debt to buy things they can't afford to impress people they don't even like. Agonizing.
But...but...but...the hurricane this, or the tornado that, or the wildfires this, or the bird-flu that, or the...yadda...yadda...yadda...
Cry me a river...errrr, on second thought...that might lead to your financial ruin.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Well said Westcott. Someone should nominate you for Official Speaker of Allstocks.
Posted by westcott on :
Hahaha...
Good to see their are other people out there who still believe in personal responsibility, Repo! Posted by glassman on :
W, you claim to be a Bush supporter?
I am amazed at Americans who are so leveraged that when a stiff breeze hits their finances are all of a sudden in shambles. Talk about "bag holders"!?! Typically, responsible taxpayers get left holding the bags of other highly leveraged, ill-prepared Americans who go into debt to buy things they can't afford to impress people they don't even like. Agonizing.
this is the VERY definition of the "Bush Doctrine"....
and he's executing it to a tee....
i asked you why you thought you knew what the terrorists plan is? you're answer was not very clear....
Posted by westcott on :
Glassman, how many times do I need to post that I am not at all happy about the spending this Administration has done for you to understand that I am not at all happy about the spending this Administration has done?
Here:
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Got it?
Posted by glassman on :
getting testy are we? LOL
Posted by westcott on :
Not at all...I just don't understand people who fail to recall clearly articulated posts. Posted by Mr. Lava on :
Glassman, you make an excellent point. The U.S. government is leveraged to the hilt. Just the "war" in Iraq has cost $2 t-r-i-l-l-i-o-n!!! Add that to the hundreds of billions Bush gave away to the Gulf coast states, and the hundreds of billions that have been spent post 9/11, and you've got a nation on the brink of complete and utter financial disaster.
When the next Catagory 4 or 5 storm hits the U.S. this summer, how is Bush going to finance government operations to take care of everybody's problem?
Posted by westcott on :
Bush spent this...
Bush spent that...
As if Bush is just sitting there writing checks without the consent of 535 other humans.
Pffffttttttt...
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
So I guess it was Big Bird who created the biggest and most expensive government bureaucracy in the history of the U.S. And the most expensive debacle the world has ever seen --The Office of Homeland Security.
And I guess it was the pope who gave hundreds of millions of dollars in debit cards to crackheads, street thugs, murders, rapists, and hoodrats. It couldn't have been Bush who gave people debit cards that were used to buy drugs, guns, prostitutes, and the like...
And there's no way the president spent hundreds of millions of dollars in the Presidential Discretionary Spending account. It must have been somebody else who did that...
Posted by BuyTex on :
so you're Ward L Churchill, the one who wrote about 9/11?
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
I would consider myself more Winston Churchill as opposed to Ward Churchill. Cheerio!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Debit cards for votes! Ya thats the ticket...
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: I would consider myself more Winston Churchill as opposed to Ward Churchill. Cheerio!
lol, was responding to "Westcott" and you slipped in...
Posted by westcott on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: So I guess it was Big Bird who created the biggest and most expensive government bureaucracy in the history of the U.S. And the most expensive debacle the world has ever seen --The Office of Homeland Security.
As I recall, Big Bird didn't create The Office of Homeland Security, but it was established through passage of the Homeland Security Act in the Senate (90 ayes).
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: And I guess it was the pope who gave hundreds of millions of dollars in debit cards to crackheads, street thugs, murders, rapists, and hoodrats. It couldn't have been Bush who gave people debit cards that were used to buy drugs, guns, prostitutes, and the like...
Nope...not the Pope. Nope, not President Bush. But if you guessed FEMA...then you get a Gold Star!
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: And there's no way the president spent hundreds of millions of dollars in the Presidential Discretionary Spending account. It must have been somebody else who did that...
And this is different from other Presidents how, Mr. Lava?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Tex! can't just drop a bomb and then leave readers hanging in suspence, like a commercial break! LOL
Posted by westcott on :
Imagine that...President Bush had to increase Defense Discretionary spending because Clinton had reduced it...Carter/Reagan anyone?
Bush creates the massive heaps of sh*t and then gives it to congress to fling around. I don't understand why you are trying to over-intellectualize the current financial and bureaucratic status of the U.S. government. Bush is a ultra leftwing economic liberal. Bush craps out these fiscal nightmares and flings his fiscal poo on America like a depressed monkey.
Posted by westcott on :
I am hardly saying much of the spending is not irresonsible, Mr. Lava.
Please focus on what I did say: the culpability is shared by the entire machine, not just one of...one of...its drivers.
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
quote:Originally posted by westcott: Imagine that...President Bush had to increase Defense Discretionary spending because Clinton had reduced it...Carter/Reagan anyone?
And Clinton didn't ship 160,000 troops to a God forsaken hostile militant Islamist nation. He didn't write a $2 trillion dollar check to pay for an assanine war trying to Democratize a bunch of inbred religious nutjobs who don't want Wal Mart, McDonalds, pornography, shopping centers, and Niemann Marcus.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by westcott: Imagine that...President Bush had to increase Defense Discretionary spending because Clinton had reduced it...Carter/Reagan anyone?
good chart W, now let's NOT let others lead US back to asking questions instead of making direct statements...
if HAL wasn't getting so many bo-bids? there might not be as many questions about the spending issues...
Mr. Lava, 2 trillion$ is what we'll have spent in Iraq before we are done, IF everything goes well and nothing worse happens there than already has...
that represents about 1/4 of the total debt this country has now... we are at about 8.4 trillion$
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
quote:Originally posted by westcott: I am hardly saying much of the spending is not irresonsible, Mr. Lava.
Please focus on what I did say: the culpability is shared by the entire machine, not just one of...one of...its drivers.
But no matter how big the machine is, ultimately the responsibility will fall on the most prominent, central figure. And in the next 10 years poor Americans are going to bear the brunt of this out-of-control spending. Somebody has to pay for it, and it's going to get ugly...
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by westcott: I am hardly saying much of the spending is not irresonsible, Mr. Lava.
Please focus on what I did say: the culpability is shared by the entire machine, not just one of...one of...its drivers.
so...*ahem*
you're Ward L Churchill who wrote the 9-11 article/essay?
Posted by westcott on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: And Clinton didn't ship 160,000 troops to a God forsaken hostile militant Islamist nation. He didn't write a $2 trillion dollar check to pay for an assanine war trying to Democratize a bunch of inbred religious nutjobs who don't want Wal Mart, McDonalds, pornography, shopping centers, and Niemann Marcus.
I understand a scant minority appreciates the geopolitical shift that has been occurring over the past fifteen (15) or so years which obviated our move into Afghanistan and Iraq. So I will simply agree to disagree.
I am not sure where you get the $2 Trillion dollar figure, Mr. Lava. While many of your criticisms are generally well-founded, you are exceedingly loose with the facts in which you attempt to underpin them.
I am not sure if this is a matter of intent or simple ignorance, but it really pokes holes in the credibility of your statements. Just some friendly criticism.
Posted by glassman on :
I understand a scant minority appreciates the geopolitical shift that has been occurring over the past fifteen (15) or so years which obviated our move into Afghanistan and Iraq. So I will simply agree to disagree.
that's hilarious W....
Afghanistan was a no-brainer...
the Islamo-fascists were a very very small group of people....
they were not in Iraq... yes, zarqawi was there recovering from an injury, but he was not on sadams "guest-list".....
congress wil have to move to raise the debt limit again within a year....
Posted by westcott on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: if HAL wasn't getting so many bo-bids? there might not be as many questions about the spending issues...
Very serious question, glassman:
How many other U.S. companies exist which can perform the scope of goods and services as offered by Hal? Do you have a rough number and perhaps you could offer some names?
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
I'm forever indebted to your priceless advice.
Posted by westcott on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: I'm forever indebted to your priceless advice.
I didn't mean it to be offensive at all, Mr. Lava. I think internet posts can be miscontrued because they are so one (1) dimensional.
I welcome criticism of my facts if backed up with verifiable proof. That is why I try and source much of my info.
Cheers!
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by westcott:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Lava: I'm forever indebted to your priceless advice.
I didn't mean it to be offensive at all, Mr. Lava. I think internet posts can be miscontrued because they are so one (1) dimensional.
I welcome criticism of my facts if backed up with verifiable proof. That is why I try and source much of my info.
Cheers!
so, Ward L Churchill, of 9-11 essay fame?
Posted by Mr. Lava on :
quote:Originally posted by westcott:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: if HAL wasn't getting so many bo-bids? there might not be as many questions about the spending issues...
Very serious question, glassman:
How many other U.S. companies exist which can perform the scope of goods and services as offered by Hal? Do you have a rough number and perhaps you could offer some names?
And how can anyone answer such a question? What other company has ever been given a chance or even a look? Do you really think Hali is the only company in the U.S. that can perform?
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