Our Commander in Chief has lost the ability to command.!
Posted by 4Art on :
Did he ever have that ability?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Well, I just saw my fist US. Army Dustoff crew.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Fema director Michael Moore just stated that security is more than adequate...
Can ya believe these Baffoons!!!
Also states that we should basicly not believe what we see.
Now he wants to bring in the boy scouts, geeezzzz that sure should bring us up to strength..
Posted by BuyTex on :
the Boy Scouts?
from untrained civilians to minors...where's Lassie!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Lassie must be the adequate security he was talking about.
O wait, here comes Rin Tin Tin!!
Posted by osubucks30 on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Fema director Michael Moore just stated that security is more than adequate...
Can ya believe these Baffoons!!!
Also states that we should basicly not believe what we see.
Now he wants to bring in the boy scouts, geeezzzz that sure should bring us up to strength..
Its a joke. They aren't on the ground. CNN has reporters in different locations and they all say there is no security. I guess they are no telling the truth.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by osubucks30:
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Fema director Michael Moore just stated that security is more than adequate...
Can ya believe these Baffoons!!!
Also states that we should basicly not believe what we see.
Now he wants to bring in the boy scouts, geeezzzz that sure should bring us up to strength..
Its a joke. They aren't on the ground. CNN has reporters in different locations and they all say there is no security. I guess they are no telling the truth.
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He also stated that there were some frustrated people at the Dome..I think he said nobody had been shot... Kinda made it sound like it was a line at the Post Office at Xmas.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Fox news is on a rapes and murders situation at the dome.
Fema director states all is under control.
Posted by lilpennypincher on :
I must say I am sickened! just watched the same BS. As is sit in my comfortable chair watching as some that are able to get to these people hearing of people dying, babies dying.....I can only cry and donate more. IT NEEDS TO GET TO THEM!! All is under control MY A$$!! There is no excuse for this....I sit and watch as if I'm looking it the eyes of people, parents terrified as if they are in some forgotten land.... I have done all I can do from here. I extend my prayers to all that are dealing with this. Being here in my house with my family has given me even more reason to be thankful. There is no reason for this...GET HELP TO THESE PEOPLE! It's just not right!
Posted by HILANDER on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Well, I just saw my fist US. Army Dustoff crew.
They were national guard.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER:
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Well, I just saw my fist US. Army Dustoff crew.
They were national guard.
Highlander, been a long time sense I saw that Red Cross on a on a old H1 Dustoff
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
CNN just broadcast a report of Fema refusing to rescue a group of women and children in a house in dire need of rescue..
Fema said they won't rescue without adequate security.
The CNN crew was in an Airboat. They found the people.
Posted by lilpennypincher on :
Won't rescue without adwquate security..WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING THERE THEN!?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by lilpennypincher: Won't rescue without adwquate security..WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING THERE THEN!?
------------------------------------------------- LIL
I share your anger and consternation.
My anger is just short of rage.
Posted by HILANDER on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101:
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER:
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Well, I just saw my fist US. Army Dustoff crew.
They were national guard.
Highlander, been a long time sense I saw that Red Cross on a on a old H1 Dustoff
yeah, well the active army bubbas will be flying HH-60's, unless they are all already in Iraq.
Posted by glassman on :
i heard this morning that stopping looters was more important than rescuing people....
Cops Leave Search and Rescue to Stop Looters
NewsMax.com Wires Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005
NEW ORLEANS - Mayor Ray Nagin ordered 1,500 police officers to leave their search-and-rescue mission Wednesday night and return to the streets to stop looting that has turned increasingly hostile as the city plunges deeper into chaos.
hmmmmm.....
Posted by 4Art on :
Property over human life. That's truly disgusting.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i heard this morning that stopping looters was more important than rescuing people....
Posted by BuyTex on :
I asked about this angle earlier. Can't understand why there's not a team or two of "punishers" tapped into everybody's network. Just a few hard responses would send the rats back into their holes. It's not like the rats are fighting for a cause; they would crumble in the face of anything close to SEAL or Delta team or whatever it is you military guys call em...special ops? Seems like one helo-team and one surface team could make a world of difference...no?
Posted by 4Art on :
Are they all in Iraq?
quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: I asked about this angle earlier. Can't understand why there's not a team or two of "punishers" tapped into everybody's network. Just a few hard responses would send the rats back into their holes. It's not like the rats are fighting for a cause; they would crumble in the face of anything close to SEAL or Delta team or whatever it is you military guys call em...special ops? Seems like one helo-team and one surface team could make a world of difference...no?
Posted by HILANDER on :
But then again....the political rammifications. US soldiers firing on US citizens. It may be what needs to happen but it never will. I'm only afraid that things are only going to get more out of hand as time progresses.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Tex, I can answer your question.
There is no one in command that knows what they're doing.
Posted by lilpennypincher on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i heard this morning that stopping looters was more important than rescuing people....
Cops Leave Search and Rescue to Stop Looters
NewsMax.com Wires Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005
NEW ORLEANS - Mayor Ray Nagin ordered 1,500 police officers to leave their search-and-rescue mission Wednesday night and return to the streets to stop looting that has turned increasingly hostile as the city plunges deeper into chaos.
hmmmmm.....
Let them have the crap.....Get back to RESCUE!!! It makes me sick....WHERE IS THE COMMAND!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: But then again....the political rammifications. US soldiers firing on US citizens. It may be what needs to happen but it never will. I'm only afraid that things are only going to get more out of hand as time progresses.
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Hey Bro, it's gonna take OP'S outside of the box.
They're is the national security issue...
They could authorize a hit team.
Posted by glassman on :
well? let's see... ya got a couple crazies in every town (i know: i'm the desgnated nut in mine )
they always ruin it for everybody...
what i want to know is how the one in DC got the top job?????
i don't like looters, but let's face it they aren't going anywhere with all that stuff, and it's mostly lost already isn't it???
the veneer of civilization is much thinner than most peeps wanna admit to THEMSELVES Posted by HILANDER on :
It's kind of hard to rescue people when others are trying to kill you. I know ho bad it can get. The last thing you need are helicopters getting pumped foll of holes and possibly crashing.
Posted by 4Art on :
True, if you believe that story. I think it's being used as a cover for lack of personnel and leadership.
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: It's kind of hard to rescue people when others are trying to kill you. I know ho bad it can get. The last thing you need are helicopters getting pumped foll of holes and possibly crashing.
Posted by HILANDER on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101:
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: But then again....the political rammifications. US soldiers firing on US citizens. It may be what needs to happen but it never will. I'm only afraid that things are only going to get more out of hand as time progresses.
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Hey Bro, it's gonna take OP'S outside of the box.
Well, me personally, don't have a problem with introducing folks to the after life. Already done it a few times. However, even for someone like me, I would find it personally difficult to waste another American, no matter how deserving they were.
Posted by 4Art on :
Show me the video.
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: It's kind of hard to rescue people when others are trying to kill you. I know ho bad it can get. The last thing you need are helicopters getting pumped foll of holes and possibly crashing.
Posted by HILANDER on :
I got video, but it's from the wrong country. Got some killer shots of tracers going up past the helicopter I was riding.........on my way home. But you may be right Art. I never thought of that. I don't think the aircrews would lie aout being fired on....but the administration in general might.
Posted by lilpennypincher on :
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: It's kind of hard to rescue people when others are trying to kill you. I know ho bad it can get. The last thing you need are helicopters getting pumped foll of holes and possibly crashing.
HIGHLANDER...I adore you.....you know I do.. but, There is a way to get to these people....get the state police.....the national guard....the red cross.......SOMEONE IN THERE! the covention center is turning into a death center.....This is what they are trained to do!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Highlander, mindless, murdering, raping, scum is not what I call an American..
I could Dust one of um in a heart beat.
Posted by glassman on :
Mississippi public radio has been very informative... we have a series of ham (antiques can be good) radio people all over the state setting up radio phone lines... been listening to it more than watching the TV today (for a change ) we had almost no governmental resources in place... very few Guard in particular.. our standby Guard was in the hundreds not thousands....
you all are just seeing New Orleans on the tube...the southern half of MS has been flattened, there are still whole towns cutoff from trees down, and we are still being told NOT to head south... the state troopers are turning all non-credentialed people back for fear of looters...
it's frustrating....
today? i heard an interview of a New Orleans police officer, who was HERE in mississippi..why??? couldn't take the pressure just left..in a New Orleans patrol car...this officer said there were quite few who did...
Posted by HILANDER on :
No probs LIL, thought I did see some National Guard at the convention center this evening. I heard the Oregon Guard is sending MP's down, and up here in Washington State we may be sending folks as well. I gotta finish my next NCO academy before I go. But I have already volunteered as well as a lot of my buddies have too. Right now we're just waiting on orders.
Posted by lilpennypincher on :
you know....I've heard stories from my Father in law, (special forces) that would blow the minds of many....All that is trying to be done here is to get to thousands of people in OUR OWN BACK YARD and get them the help they need. If we can't do that.....we're in bigger trouble than I've ever dreamed possible.
Posted by Nanny on :
Isn't the White House large enough to house some of these homeless. They might enjoy just some of the things that are a pure waste. Wouldn't Bush just crap if someone took a bus load of these inocent victims up there and dropped them off on the steps.
Posted by 4Art on :
Agreed! There's also plenty of room at the Bush ranch in Texas, and more room in Maine at the Bush compound there.
quote:Originally posted by Nanny: Isn't the White House large enough to house some of these homeless. They might enjoy just some of the things that are a pure waste. Wouldn't Bush just crap if someone took a bus load of these inocent victims up there and dropped them off on the steps.
Posted by bdgee on :
Glass...,
You asked, "what i want to know is how the one (the head nut) in DC ( i.e., dubya) got the top job?????
Well, now let me explain something. You ain't ever gonna get to the details of that, because they started an unnecessary war in IRAQ to cover it all up: that is, to made you look the other way long enough instead of diggin out the details back then before they could destroy the records. All gone now!
Posted by bdgee on :
This morning, after having watched on tv a mother holding a baby that apparantly couldn't cry anymore and hearing her beg for help for the child and seeing crowds of people aimlessly wandering on raised intersatates that had had not a single drop of water to drink in days, I woke up determined to go to Louisiaanna and try to help.
I would have gone too, except not too many steps out of the bed my bad left knee gave out and caused me to twist on my swollen right foot. It hurt like seven Devils. I couldn't help, dammit! I'd end up being someone that needed rescueing. I feel useless and terrible. And sick at the lack of planning and leadership from that cadre of liars and fools in DC! A FEW SOIL SAMPLES, A HALF ORGANIZED PLAN, SOME BULL DOZERS, AND THE FUNDING NOT SCARFED OFF TO "FAVORED" INTELLEGENT DESIGN EFFORRTS AND THOSE LEVIES WOULD HAVE BEEN REWORKED ALREADY. IT HAD BEEN PLANED AND FUNDED BEFORE! THOUSANDS WOULD NOT BE TRAPPED IN THIS MESS AND MILLIONS WOULD NOT BE LIKE ME, UNABLE TO HELP.
It ain't dubya's fault my a--. It was him and his prepared budget that took the already alloted funding for flood prevention in New Orleans and blew it on "faith based charity" and a war in Iraq. He's the reason that baby's chance of living is pretty much over.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Bdgee, your not the only one who feels useless.. I've been living with a damn fool { ME } these last few days.
I bought into the pump job that is this administration.
I chewed out glassman, Turbokid, Purl, you and others..
Thought ya'll were outa bounds... Now I know all of you were just trying to bring out the truth.
God almighty, how could I of been so stupid as to not see what this admin. represents.
Yesterday I posted I would never wallow in self pity about my mis-guided support for this admin.
Now? well, I've broken my word.
The pain we all must bare is heavy and the depth of it is deep.
I think as Americans we just can't believe something like this could ever happen in America.
The magnitude of the incompetance of the government response to this nightmare in the Hurricane zone is criminal.
Posted by timberman on :
Can't really conferm this but I wonder why more people are not talking about it. Many are quick to blame everything on the President only. If I remember correctly, the stadium shelter idea was from the states governor. http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011537.php Posted by Peaser01 on :
The blame comes from not getting the Navy, and coast guard in there right behind the storm, instead of waiting for days to act.
Asking bubba and Daddy for help.
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"George, I like to pet the rabbits" "Lenny, You idiot!"
- from Of Mice And Men
Posted by BuyTex on :
Fats Domino rescued!
Saw a hospital patient, still in "gown," had somehow managed to fashion a "raft" from a sheet of plywood. Weary, head drooping, barely hanging on--got scooped up by some guys in a boat, though...
Wonder why they don't grab flooded vehicles endangering the streets and drop them in front of holes in the levvy, to give the sandbags some purchase?
Several school systems here have thrown doors wide open for displaced kids, including two local universities. Same with motels: at least one Dallas La Qunita has deferred payment *and* sponsored on-site job fair. Will figure out the dough later. Good stuff...
Meanwhile, last I heard Rush was lambasting celebrities and "Hollywood" for doing nothing unless self-serving. Nicholas Cage stepped up to bat with a cool $1mm out of his pocket; musicians nationwide are putting on benefits; Jerry Lewis announces MDA telethon will include fund-rasing for Katrina relief. What timing. That's some big dough, pretty quickly coming online. Still haven't heard the size of Rush's donation, yet... Anybody else heard?
It will be the people who turn the tide. We'll have to investigate later where the guvment broke down...Congress is only now clamoring for an investigation into gasoline price gouging. Slow? My gawd...
Posted by glassman on :
i don't know why everybody is so surprised about the slow response... i kept hearing how well Bush handled 911, 6 months or so later...but they forgot about the goat story and the school children real FAST..
they'll spin him back into a great prez in a month or two... Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Bush admitts they blew it.
Location: White House lawn.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Bush admitts they blew it.
Location: White House lawn.
yes amazing ain't it? he's "growing up" right before our eyes... now if i can just get my teenager to admit to making mistakes? i'll be able to call my life a success... Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Bush admitts they blew it.
Location: White House lawn.
yes amazing ain't it? he's "growing up" right before our eyes... now if i can just get my teenager to admit to making mistakes? i'll be able to call my life a success...
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I wonder who took Bush and Mike Brown to the wood shed last night, Laura?
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Watching Bush with Brown right now, I think Bush is going to fire Brown on the spot.
You can tell Bush really doesn't care for Browns performance.
Mike Brown = Fema director
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
I think I am going to throw up, Bush just said Brownie your doing a good job.
Posted by glassman on :
hmmm.. on MS public radio? our State Insurance Commissioner just told US to shoot looters...
i wonder if that'll be a good defense in court????
better carry a shovel with yer 30-06...
beginning to think the "veneer of civilisation" is really just a thin coat of lacquer....
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
This is going to turn into a full fledged race war.....
Fema is so inept it's beyond a logical explaination.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
If anybody is listning to or watching Bush right now.........
We are seeing a Commander in Chief coming un-glued...
This guy is a clown.
Posted by 4Art on :
It'll be fun to watch the media slice these ramblings into coherent sound bites.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
They still haven't got into the area where Doctors are having to make life and death decisions on who does and does not recieve water.
Posted by 4Art on :
Bush is totally out of touch if he thinks riding into New Orleans at the head of a convoy of food trucks is going to help his image now...
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
People are arriving on Buses, in Houston, with those who have died on the Bus while in transit.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Laura Bush just said things are just fine where she is, and you can't believe what we see on TV.
Posted by BuyTex on :
Bush his own self just said the breach must be filled [in the levvy], and that even though he's leaving in a few minutes, he knows it's a national concern. Said the great city of NO will rise again, even greater--then he made some reference to Houston where he used to have too much fun...
Posted by glassman on :
he is pretty good at reading off the prompter...
but the prompters weren't around today...
his ramblings are just sad...
Posted by bond006 on :
glassman hes an inbred
Posted by bdgee on :
Yeah, bond, but an inbred what?
It sureisn't any kind of animal with a brain or a conciience. The reason the levies remained unreconstructed was because dubya removed the funds that the congress before he took ofice had alloted for that purpose in the 90s. Had he not, all those babies we get to see starving and dying of thirst wouldn't have to. That levy and any other flood control projects along the Mississippi and it's watershed are NOT WITHIN the jurisdiction or contrrol of the local governments.
Posted by morehotair123 on :
yeah i bet kerry would have done a much better job thats if he could stop flip flopping long enough some of you people are real peices of work just sit back and listen to your selfs i think that you dumb asses should know what your talking about before you start typing bush is powerless to do anything untill the state requests help witch they did way to late now they are covering their demmy asses
Posted by BuyTex on :
morehotair, I've been working in the heat all day, thinking about my trip to louisiana, listening to uninformed, no-commonsense commentators on the radio while my peeps are taking in all the evacuees that come here.
I *reallllly* don't feel like getting called names right now...is my message registering with you?
Posted by Marty on :
GW was the best candidate at the time, so I voted for 'em....now, he's just another crap pres....the Katrina effort was NOT handled properly, and OUR jack*** representaives, didn't act quick enough..(they sure did for FLA). Who's holdin' it down? Congress......dems and reps..political nonsense.....they should've reacted quicker.....dam* it! The public reacted faster! eeeerrrrrrr! And the states down there, where the frig were THEY with the help....they did nothing!!!! Scary chit.....I know what I NEED to do now.....NOONE'S lookin' out for you but YOU.....be ready folks, if your hit with a disaster....have your plan, supplies, etc, in place....
Posted by Marty on :
Oh, and BTW, I grew up POOR, as in, "when am I going to eat? Where am I going to get food?" Yea POOR. I've been working since I was 10.....GET AN EDUCATION! It's FREE at every library everywhere in the US....all you need is the desire and motivation....DO IT! GL....
Posted by morehotair123 on :
quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: morehotair, I've been working in the heat all day, thinking about my trip to louisiana, listening to uninformed, no-commonsense commentators on the radio while my peeps are taking in all the evacuees that come here.
I *reallllly* don't feel like getting called names right now...is my message registering with you?
and what does that have to do with bush??
Posted by morehotair123 on :
a cat 5 storm is on its way to a MAJOR city that is sitting 18 feet below sea level and the mayor and govenor dont call for a forced evacuation and military back up if anyone wants to point fingers take a good look at the local governance, this could have been avoided
Posted by morehotair123 on :
tex, i dont want you to think that i mean any disrespect to you, as a matter of fact i wish that i were closer so that i could be there to help. so my hat is off to you for being there to help these poor folks and my prayers are withn you and yours
Posted by osubucks30 on :
THE WHOLE PROBLEM IS THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE ANYMORE!! THEY WORK FOR THE SPECIAL INTERESTS!! MAYBE THIS WHOLE THING WILL WAKE UP THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL TAKE BACK OUR GOVERNMENT FROM THE RICH CORPORATIONS!!
THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSE TO BE FOR THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
Posted by BuyTex on :
MoreHA, I aint there, yet...but as I read along in-thread, I noticed some choice words...thanks for the reply
OK, all: You're the Prez.
Your advisors tell you a CAT 5 Blow is headed in...to NEW ORLEANS!
Does that not trigger a full-blown emergency response? Gulf/oil/city-below-sea-level (which you personally cut levvy-maintenance funds from)/historic-cultural "brand name."
Surely to Gawd, somebody read Natl Geographic piece, extrapolated from FEMA's own data?
I mean, what do they get paid for?
I'm equally stunned by the devastation as I am by the apparently IGNORANT repose of foreknowledge by those we PAY to plan for these disasters. If i hire a someone to do a job? I check to see if s/he can do it...then? I let em do it!
I assumed that was the case in this clusterphuk...my bad.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by morehotair123: a cat 5 storm is on its way to a MAJOR city that is sitting 18 feet below sea level and the mayor and govenor dont call for a forced evacuation and military back up if anyone wants to point fingers take a good look at the local governance, this could have been avoided
that's not what happens in a "free" society....
Bush has set himself up as fearless leader....
he's gloated and refused to admit to any mistakes..when ANYBODY does this? they are going to get heavy criticism when they screw up...
the idea of a military forced evacuation for a possible threat in this country won't ever work... say the 'caine pulled a Felix after the military tried to force an evacuation in 48 hours (another ludicrous logistical suggestion cuz they couldn't possibly set up in 12 hours) and dissipated? then you would still have egg all over the white house..
face it, Bush wouldn't be getting this heat if he had been honest about the Iraq war from the gitgo....come to think of it??? we wouldn't even be there if he had been honest about the Iraq war..
Posted by osubucks30 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: [QUOTE] face it, Bush wouldn't be getting this heat if he had been honest about the Iraq war from the gitgo....come to think of it??? we wouldn't even be there if he had been honest about the Iraq war..
If he was honest about Iraq he would not be President right now!
Posted by 4Art on :
If only...
quote:Originally posted by osubucks30: If he was honest about Iraq he would not be President right now!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Apparently Fema Director Michael Brown, told the Red Cross to stay away from the Dome in New Orleans because he did'nt want people going there for assistance.
May have been stated on CNN Please correct me if I am wrong.
2nd hand info
Posted by glassman on :
in reference to blaming Clinton for 911????
Bush had the same intel on his desk and ignored it too.. the towers were a target before, and the FBI HAD one in custody already BEFORE 911..
Just after the 9/11 attacks, top Justice Department and FBI officials disagreed over whether Moussaoui, 35, a French citizen arrested while taking flight lessons in Minnesota in August 2001, was to have been the 20th hijacker. His indictment does not identify him as the 20th hijacker; it accuses him of taking part in an al-Qaeda conspiracy to attack U.S. targets.
also??? this: Washington, D.C., 12 April 2004 - President Bush on Saturday, 10 April 2004, became the first sitting president ever to release publicly even a portion of his Daily Brief from the CIA. The page-and-a-half section of the President's Daily Brief from 6 August 2001, headlined "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US," had generated the most contentious questioning in last week's testimony by national security adviser Condoleezza Rice before the commission investigating the September 11th attacks. Dr. Rice continued to insist that the Brief did not amount to a real warning, while several commissioners seemed to think otherwise. blaming Clinton NOW don't feed the bulldog.. OH? and by the way?? osambinalivetoolong is still alive and free...
Posted by lilpennypincher on :
quote:Originally posted by Marty: GW was the best candidate at the time, so I voted for 'em....now, he's just another crap pres....the Katrina effort was NOT handled properly, and OUR jack*** representaives, didn't act quick enough..(they sure did for FLA). Who's holdin' it down? Congress......dems and reps..political nonsense.....they should've reacted quicker.....dam* it! The public reacted faster! eeeerrrrrrr! And the states down there, where the frig were THEY with the help....they did nothing!!!! Scary chit.....I know what I NEED to do now.....NOONE'S lookin' out for you but YOU.....be ready folks, if your hit with a disaster....have your plan, supplies, etc, in place....
WOW! MY Jersey partner in crime and Tex all wound up on the same thread! That's some HOT STUFF...
Great post's by both of you! BRAVO!
Posted by BuyTex on :
9/11? lol--that was a plot in a Clancy novel...
As i sat on copydesk that morning (that means I can't interject--at *all*), I kept waiting for that shoe to drop: "Popular Novel Foretold Attack"
alas, never saw it...
In this case? Nat'l Geographic, 2004, FEMA data...
Tom Clancy goes to the White House in this thriller of political terror and global disaster. The American political situation takes a disturbing turn as the President, Congress, and Supreme Court are obliterated when a Japanese terrorist lands a 747 on the Capitol. Meanwhile the Iranians are unleashing an Ebola virus threat on the country.
it's amazing how people have accepted all of the serious blunders as everybody elses fault, but the PEOPLE IN CHARGE...
the "Blame Game"
in the navy? we had a saying..."Not on MY Watch"
Posted by bdgee on :
Being Pres means you never have to say you are sorry.
Posted by BuyTex on :
not in my book...
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dustoff101: [QB] Apparently Fema Director Michael Brown, told the Red Cross to stay away from the Dome in New Orleans because he did'nt want people going there for assistance.
May have been stated on CNN Please correct me if I am wrong.
2nd hand info
----------------------------------------------- Confirmed:09/03/05 00:13HRS EDT Marty Evans President / CEO of the American Red Cross stated she was told to stay out of New Orleans by Fema director Brown. CNN Larry King
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
On the Tarmac Bush states he understands what he see's.
Well, ain't that special, sheezzzzz
Posted by timberman on :
quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: MoreHA, I aint there, yet...but as I read along in-thread, I noticed some choice words...thanks for the reply
OK, all: You're the Prez.
Your advisors tell you a CAT 5 Blow is headed in...to NEW ORLEANS!
Does that not trigger a full-blown emergency response? Gulf/oil/city-below-sea-level (which you personally cut levvy-maintenance funds from)/historic-cultural "brand name."
Surely to Gawd, somebody read Natl Geographic piece, extrapolated from FEMA's own data?
I mean, what do they get paid for?
I'm equally stunned by the devastation as I am by the apparently IGNORANT repose of foreknowledge by those we PAY to plan for these disasters. If i hire a someone to do a job? I check to see if s/he can do it...then? I let em do it!
I assumed that was the case in this clusterphuk...my bad.
i understand what you are saying about the levy budget but,,if you look into that levy budget you will find that the state has been using less then 20 percent of that money on the levy.the rest was just pissed away on other "more important things" hell the levy doesnt lets build a park and plant some pretty trees.Even better lets build a methadon clinic.
Posted by morehotair123 on :
marty, the difference between this and what happened in fla. is that two days before the strom in fla the govenor of fla knew that he was in way over his head with the evacuation and called in for fed assistance and he got it. that is the way it works.if the govenor had not called in for help the feds would have no choice but assume the the state goverment has everything under control
Posted by morehotair123 on :
another case to point to is the wild fires in cali the fed could not move in untill govenor (gray) at the time asked for help when he finaly called the fed went to work.
the biggest thing that we all can learn from this is call your local goverment and find out what their emergency plan is.ALWAYS be on the ready to move. Have a plan for your family to leave quickly. most importantly PLAN PLAN PLAN. self reliance is the real key to saving lifes
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Bush just stated the desaster area is the size of Great Britain.
Posted by bdgee on :
morehotair123,
What a lot of hog snot.
Before the storm was even close to the shores, I watched on tv both the Governor of Louisianna and the Mayor of New Orleans saying bluntly, over and over, that they were not able to protect the people of New Orleans and needed help from Washingtoin. In response, dubya prasied his political appointees for making snide remarkes about Cindy Sheehan. They screamed for help....dubya and his cronies ignored them.
The funding for the maintainance and reconstruction of the levies around New Orleans was never available to the local governments for them to misuse on parks, as you claim! The entire budget and responsibility for that work lies with the Corp of Engineers. Those levies and the funds to maintain them are 100% a federal responsibility and always have been. Stop building a house of lies to cover for the abuse of the security of the people by these crooks that President a-day-late-and-a-dollar-short-but-always-ready-to-give-another-hand-out-to-Haliburton appoints.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Bush took the week-end off. Guess he is all wore out out from flying around in Airforce One.
His keepers say he will be back at work on Monday.
Posted by 4Art on :
So he worked a total of ONE DAY after his vacation? I want his job!
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: Bush took the week-end off. Guess he is all wore out out from flying around in Airforce One.
His keepers say he will be back at work on Monday.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by morehotair123: marty, the difference between this and what happened in fla. is that two days before the strom in fla the govenor of fla knew that he was in way over his head with the evacuation and called in for fed assistance and he got it. that is the way it works.if the govenor had not called in for help the feds would have no choice but assume the the state goverment has everything under control
not twue
this area where I LIVE was declared a disaster BEFORE the hurrican hit too..
by the way?? this 'caine was not predicted to hit where it did and with this force until LESS THAN 48 hrs before it did.... you are an a$$$$$$, on Fri? they thought is was gonna hit FLA again NOT LA & MS....
from the Natl Weather Service
KATRINA BEGAN TO STRENGTHEN... REACHING CATEGORY 5 STRENGTH ON 28 AUGUST ABOUT 250 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER. KATRINA'S WINDS REACHED THEIR PEAK INTENSITY OF 175 MPH WINDS AND THE PRESSURE FELL TO 902 MB...THE FOURTH LOWEST PRESSURE ON RECORD... LATER THAT DAY. KATRINA TURNED TO THE NORTHWEST AND THEN NORTH...MAKING LANDFALL IN PLAQUEMINES PARISH LOUISIANA JUST SOUTH OF BURAS WITH 140 MPH WINDS...CATEGORY 4...AT 610 AM CDT ON 29 AUGUST. CONTINUING NORTHWARD...KATRINA MADE A SECOND LANDFALL NEAR THE LOUISIANA/MISSISSIPPI BORDER AT 1000 AM CDT...
"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." –President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina
Posted by HILANDER on :
Watching Michael Chertoff, Secty of Homeland Security on TV........we're effing doomed.
Posted by glassman on :
yep. plattiudes, that's what i hear..
FEMA and half our govt is full of bible thumpers praying for the end o'days so they can live in a "better place" it's really unbelievable....
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: Watching Michael Chertoff, Secty of Homeland Security on TV........we're effing doomed.
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All part of our inept chain of no command.
Posted by 4Art on :
I'm watching too. What a joke.
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101:
quote:Originally posted by HILANDER: Watching Michael Chertoff, Secty of Homeland Security on TV........we're effing doomed.
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All part of our inept chain of no command.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Atomic bomb? whats this bozo Chertoff babbling about?
Avoid avoid at all costs.
Posted by HILANDER on :
I wanna kick that guy in the nuts. Now Dubya is on TV. I can honestly say that while Nixon may have been a crook, at least he wasn't totally inept. Dubya, crook and inept.
Posted by glassman on :
you all still haven't seen 1/10th of the damage...
New Orleans didn't even get the direct hit...
Miss. did.......
the word i'm hearing is total destruction as much as 5 mile inland...50% as far as 50 miles in....
Posted by HILANDER on :
Yeah, I agree glass. Talked to my uncle up in Cleveland Miss, yesterday. He is a doctor up there and says his hospital is starting to really fill up. BTW, they just got power back I think on thurs.
Posted by glassman on :
there is little or no difference between responding to a natural disaster or a terrorist attack
grade? F minus...
Posted by HILANDER on :
No Glass, no F minus. A simple NC (no credit) will do. Not even smart enough to attend or finish the class. See an F- means you tried and couldn't do it. These guys ain't even trying.
Posted by 4Art on :
"Everyone has performed magnificently," Michael Chertoff said.
Posted by HILANDER on :
I better be careful, Chertoff may be my boss soon. May be going to work for homeland defense in a counter-terrorism/disaster preparedness job. Who knows, maybe in time I'll be able to take his job.
Posted by timberman on :
Well, good luck Hilander. People will be blaming you for stuff, if anything happens. There is no personal responsiblity anymore.
Posted by 4Art on :
What are federal taxes for?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by timberman: Well, good luck Hilander. People will be blaming you for stuff, if anything happens. There is no personal responsiblity anymore.
including Bush his own self..
anybody wanna read about what would happen to Seattle if the volcano up there lets go???? google it, you won't like waht you read
scientists been giving plenty of warnings...but us educated types don't vote conservative...
and YES, there has been planty of warnings about the levee problems in New Orleans...
but the President's stand on scientific discovery is that it's ALL THEORIES.. you know? like global warming? and evolution... and the damage done to the environment by "tactical" nukes...sheesh get yer noses out the bibles and look around...
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by timberman: Well, good luck Hilander. People will be blaming you for stuff, if anything happens. There is no personal responsiblity anymore.
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Wish life was that simple, I guess we have to blame our selves when CEO'S cheat us every day in the stock market.
Posted by 4Art on :
Double post. Edited.
Posted by 4Art on :
George W. Bush, when asked by Bob Woodward "how is history likely to judge your Iraq war?" replied, "History, we don't know. We'll all be dead."
I think he's working on that now!
Posted by glassman on :
now i'm hearing about how environmentalists want US roaming around with the Buffaloes from ex?-congressamn Bob Livinsgton Repub. LA...
you see how the pro-business conservatives try to make fun of the people that actually do the research and come up with facts and projections???
prophet posted the other day these people worship science??? LOL....
Posted by timberman on :
President Bush announced Sunday that he had issued disaster declarations for Louisiana, Mississippi and parts of southern Florida. The declaration for Miami-Dade and Broward counties in Florida will allow residents there to apply for federal disaster aid.
Bush was well aware of the situation too....
this wasn't a total surprise.. furthermore? Memphis is anothe city similar to New Orleans in demographics, and he has snubbed them badly...visiting the area and ignoring them...
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
glassman, can ya give us any details on whats going on around you...
Freedom of movement, gas, power, food, water, damage etc...
Can people around you get to medical care? Are there buisness'es open?
How are people behaving?
Posted by timberman on :
What timeline would that be?
Posted by glassman on :
the timeline about how much advance warning people had to evacuate..it was only 20 hours or so...
most of the people trapped there couldn't have been evacuated by a forced evacuation in time...
i was responding to the idea that people are blaming others for their own problems...(maybe you weren't implying what i thought you were)
this wasn't a several day head-start like some people have been implying...
i am in an oasis....
we had trees down, and at least half or more of the people within 10 miles of me lost power....
much of the area is under a boil water order, but? once again? i'm not...
and i can honestly say i don't deserve this from "good living"
the biggest problems we are experiencing here is that we can't use our credit cards, or get cash from most of the ATMs due to loss of the comsystems in them.... but that is changing very fast too...
New Orleans WAS a major financial hub... the Federal Govt's Natioanl Finance Center WAS in New Orleans too...but i bet they have switched over to Philly already....
my only complaint about what i've seen? is that they shoulda had food and water to people by chopper on Tuesday....not yesterday.....
everything else is pretty normal for a hurricane. we are not "short" anything here in MY part of middle MS....
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
90,000 square miles is the size of the hurricane emergancy zone.
Posted by timberman on :
Yes I agree. Stuff could have been flown in earlier. The blaming of one person is what bothers me. Sure the Pres has his faults. But not all these discisions were made by him. A lot of opinions are politcally motivated and not relevant to fact.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by timberman: Yes I agree. Stuff could have been flown in earlier. The blaming of one person is what bothers me. Sure the Pres has his faults. But not all these discisions were made by him. A lot of opinions are politcally motivated and not relevant to fact.
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Phewy, he is the Commander in Chief, he failed to command!
The staged calvery charge yesterday just re-enforced peoples suspicians that something ain't right in DC.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Governer of LA just hired former Fema director to help out in LA.
Posted by 4Art on :
The entire Administration is at fault. Bush is the figurehead of that Administration.
quote:Originally posted by timberman: Yes I agree. Stuff could have been flown in earlier. The blaming of one person is what bothers me. Sure the Pres has his faults. But not all these discisions were made by him. A lot of opinions are politcally motivated and not relevant to fact.
Posted by timberman on :
Governer of LA is at fault too.
Posted by 4Art on :
I blame Clinton. Posted by morehotair123 on :
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: morehotair123,
What a lot of hog snot.
Before the storm was even close to the shores, I watched on tv both the Governor of Louisianna and the Mayor of New Orleans saying bluntly, over and over, that they were not able to protect the people of New Orleans and needed help from Washingtoin. In response, dubya prasied his political appointees for making snide remarkes about Cindy Sheehan. They screamed for help....dubya and his cronies ignored them.
The funding for the maintainance and reconstruction of the levies around New Orleans was never available to the local governments for them to misuse on parks, as you claim! The entire budget and responsibility for that work lies with the Corp of Engineers. Those levies and the funds to maintain them are 100% a federal responsibility and always have been. Stop building a house of lies to cover for the abuse of the security of the people by these crooks that President a-day-late-and-a-dollar-short-but-always-ready-to-give-another-hand-out-to-Haliburton appoints.
now thyat my freind is a pile of crap you really should look into what you say before you say anything. the only part that i said that wasnt the whole truth is the part about the state spending the monies for a hotel and casino along with a a pile of outher crap in order to generate tax money. go investigate it for your self and that is the reason the money for the levy maintance was miss used.the total that was spent for maintance was around ten million out of 750 million.ten million to maintain a levy that size! the only thing that was done was light bulbs lawn care,trash removal mundain crap not one PENNY went into construction. and that my freind is the facts.like we say in the market do your dd please
PLAIN FACT DEMS RUNNING THE STATE KILLED THOUSANDS PERIOD!!!!!!!
Posted by morehotair123 on :
sorry just a little wound up over this whole mess i just want who ever dropped the ball punished and i dont care witch side of the aisle their on.jail time would be in order being thrown out of what ever office would not be enough. again sorry for being so vocal before all of the facts are put on the table.
Posted by BuyTex on :
saw an article today explaining that FEMA has more or less beeb gutted of decision-makers since being put under the Homeland Security branch.
Yikes...
If they can't handle a hurricane--even a bad one--what they gonna do with bio/rad chit?
Posted by glassman on :
the old GOP has been gutted IMO...
i was ready to vote for anybody BUT Gore, cuz i thought he was a POMPOUS azz, (and possibly even a robot ) LOL
Bush's first primary win caught me off guard...
i like(d) McCain
when Gore withdrew his concession speech on election night? i was watching, and i was pi$$ed at him...
i believed that the ONLY fair recount was a FULL STATE recount....
but then? after a while i started hearing about the voters that werent' even allowed to vote in FLA cuz the GOP Governors office had hired a contractor to ILLEGALLY "purge" the books of suspicious registrants...that was criminal... a lot of LEGITIMATE voters were never even allowed to vote in FLA...
this isn't speculation, it is well documented...
since then? we have seen travesty after travesty...
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by Glassman:
quote:and i can honestly say i don't deserve this from "good living"
Come on Glass, you know you were spared because you're the new Messiah. Think about it, devastation all around but you, yes you, were spared any hardship. I'm thinking you should walk upon the water in New Orleans and heal the sick and hungry.
Posted by glassman on :
yeah maybe i should quit my Marlboro habit (for the twelfth time) on the way down there????
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
I wouldn't want to build or rebuild on top of a dried out toxic cesspool.
Way out into the future, eating sea food from the area might not be such a good idea. The Gumbo will be like eating a puffer fish, it might kill ya.
Guess Energy will rule, cuzzz who will want to visit as a tourist for years.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
I think Bush is going to pull the plug on Brown. Politicaly and from basic human revulsion to him, he is to much of a political handicap.
Posted by BuyTex on :
*somebody* will get fired, no doubt--Homeland Security? FEMA?
Bush *has* to fire somebody...or face the music himself...
Posted by dolfan13131313 on :
I wish the displaced would stop being referred to as "refugees" - they are Americans, dammit.
The Fed gov't is a disgrace - it took too long for help to arrive.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: *somebody* will get fired, no doubt--Homeland Security? FEMA?
Bush *has* to fire somebody...or face the music himself...
Tennet fell on his own sword for him over 911...
Bush has a history of trying to rally the troops tho....
i expect the "master" (Karl Rove) is already hard at work trying to polish this new turd....
911 started out this way too... they got it fixed by putting Bush in front of the cameras, over and over with firemen and cops...
New Orleans reminds me a little of Baghdad after we arrived. There was a good deal of looting then too.... that was another serious miscacklashun......
Posted by bdgee on :
morehotair123,
Apparantly you can't read. No state or county (oops parish) or city ever had any way to misspend funds alloted for the New Orleans levies, because that money and any alteration or maintainence of the levies lies totally under the control of the Corp of Engineers. The Corp built them, the Corp maintains them, and the Corp is the sole authority that can alter them. Any flood control project anywhere in the Mississippi watershed is wholely under the authority and jurisdiction of the Corp. I don't know what you may have read or heard to make you believe that the City of New Orleans has or ever had any control of those levies, but I can imagine it came straight out of the mouth of a fat radio BS artist that misuses anything to spread Party lies.
I'm sorry you are, "...just a little wound up over this whole mess i just want who ever dropped the ball punished and i dont care witch side of the aisle their on...", but that doesn't make it ok to blame ithings on those who by law cannot be at fault. Alteration of the New Orleans levies is not within the power of the City, the Parish, or the State! I suppose it could be possible for the City of New Orleans to have, given permission by the Corp, decorated the levies and used them as a park (and even have funds in their budget to cover cost of doing so, but structural modification.....NO!
Money to modify the levies was appropriated by Congress, Clinton signed the bill, but before the actual work started, Bush stopped it. Blame Bush, now that you aren't burdoned with misinformation and do it as enthustiacally as you blamed Democrats and the local governments when you wanted to believe those levies were a city project!
Posted by timberman on :
This from the Drudge web site. Sorry couldn't get the pic to paste.
WHY DIDN'T YOU DEPLOY THE BUSES DURING THE MANDATORY EVACUATION, MAYOR?...
Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00
'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'...
Posted by timberman on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: the timeline about how much advance warning people had to evacuate..it was only 20 hours or so...
most of the people trapped there couldn't have been evacuated by a forced evacuation in time...
i was responding to the idea that people are blaming others for their own problems...(maybe you weren't implying what i thought you were)
this wasn't a several day head-start like some people have been implying...
i am in an oasis....
we had trees down, and at least half or more of the people within 10 miles of me lost power....
much of the area is under a boil water order, but? once again? i'm not...
and i can honestly say i don't deserve this from "good living"
the biggest problems we are experiencing here is that we can't use our credit cards, or get cash from most of the ATMs due to loss of the comsystems in them.... but that is changing very fast too...
New Orleans WAS a major financial hub... the Federal Govt's Natioanl Finance Center WAS in New Orleans too...but i bet they have switched over to Philly already....
my only complaint about what i've seen? is that they shoulda had food and water to people by chopper on Tuesday....not yesterday.....
everything else is pretty normal for a hurricane. we are not "short" anything here in MY part of middle MS....
Posted by timberman on :
quote:Originally posted by timberman:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: the timeline about how much advance warning people had to evacuate..it was only 20 hours or so...
most of the people trapped there couldn't have been evacuated by a forced evacuation in time...
i was responding to the idea that people are blaming others for their own problems...(maybe you weren't implying what i thought you were)
this wasn't a several day head-start like some people have been implying...
i am in an oasis....
we had trees down, and at least half or more of the people within 10 miles of me lost power....
much of the area is under a boil water order, but? once again? i'm not...
and i can honestly say i don't deserve this from "good living"
the biggest problems we are experiencing here is that we can't use our credit cards, or get cash from most of the ATMs due to loss of the comsystems in them.... but that is changing very fast too...
New Orleans WAS a major financial hub... the Federal Govt's Natioanl Finance Center WAS in New Orleans too...but i bet they have switched over to Philly already....
my only complaint about what i've seen? is that they shoulda had food and water to people by chopper on Tuesday....not yesterday.....
everything else is pretty normal for a hurricane. we are not "short" anything here in MY part of middle MS....
Transript from CNN Dated Aug. 27 16:00 hours
KAYE: Well folks in New Orleans and surrounding areas have been told the time to evacuate is now. And there you see it, a live picture from our affiliate WVUE. Traffic there on I-10 west heading out of town, out of the New Orleans area. Folks certainly seem to be paying attention to those warnings. I want to bring in Jacqui Jeras who has been getting some warnings of her own from the National Weather Center. What's the very latest.
JERAS: Yes. We want to show you those updates graphically now, Randi, so people at home get a better idea of what we're talking about. The forecast track has shifted just a smidge off to the west. So not much of a change here and really still keeps that big bull's- eye heading towards New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain. So not much of a change there, just a touch on off to the west. And still the intensity forecast has not changed. There you see the big number four, so possibly a major hurricane a large four is what we're expecting.
Here's the watches I was talking about from Intracoastal City, Louisiana, extending all the way over to the Florida/Alabama state line. That means hurricane conditions are expected in about 36 hours -- Randi.
Posted by timberman on :
Sorry for the double post. Hit the wrong button.
Anyhow, more people could have be evacuated with buses. Not all but more.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
I'm afraid the nightmare of Katrina is not done shocking us......
The dying continues.
As the focus shifts to Mississippi and Alabama We will see an uncovering hell.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
People in Mississippi and Alabama are asking why the media has abandoned them.....
They also fear they are not getting a fair share of help from Fema and other agencies, I am afraid they may be justified...
The administration may be over compensating because they are fearful of being tagged racist..What a mess.
Many think a type of reverse racism is in play.
Posted by timberman on :
They are also saying "We're not shooting each other and stealing over here" or something close to that.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by timberman: They are also saying "We're not shooting each other and stealing over here" or something close to that.
Timber, i don't know how to 'splain to you what MS looks like...
i suggest you rent Mississississipi Burning and take it to heart.....
people are very afraid here...all the time.. blacks and whites...
fact is? there has been a lot of shooting here for years and years...
Posted by glassman on :
people are very afraid here...all the time.. blacks and whites...
maybe i otter 'splain that a little better....
In My Opinion?????
racism is really just fear... fear of the unknown and misunderstood
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
I don't think the good people of Texas are very happy with there x-governor Bush about now.
Posted by BuyTex on :
We could care less...Texas stepped up to the plate, although I'm not happy with Ft Worth: seems like we coulda taken in more...
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Tex, looks like the chain of command is breaking down.... Governors are overriding orders from Fema. Fema is falling apart right in front of us, I am speaking technicaly.
Posted by BuyTex on :
FEMA = laughingstock
imagine if an attack *were* involved...
I was duped...naieve...
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Damn Tex, I sit here, all 4 computers purring 2 TV'S on..I can't keep up with whats going on events are breaking so fast.
Duped, Naive, Bro you just spoke for America.!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Bush is going to return on Monday, says he is going to make things right..Can ya believe this chit.
Posted by glassman on :
yep, and his hugs for kids will be posted all over the place....
Posted by bdgee on :
We have morte than just a few of the refugees here, in hospitals, shelters, private homes, etc.... The same is true Over in Dallas, and all the "mid-citees", Houston, San Antonio..... I wonder about our ability to avbsorb the cost and for how long and that worry gets greater when you hear that a big percentage o them have stated thaat they will just end up here. Houston has started a "jobs" program for them and I hope that will happen here.
I just don't think a lot of people have considered what a blow to the country's overall economy this will be. I heard some commentators comparing the economic blow from Katrina to that from 9-11. I think that is a childish hope. This will be magnatudes worse.
Posted by BuyTex on :
Bdgee, one motel owner in Dallas is allowing defered payment and set up a job bank *at the motel.* The government response has been damnable; the peoples' response is nothing short of miraculous...
You are dead on about the "ripples."
Posted by net10708 on :
Hm. I would read some of the posts on
*************.yahoo.com/group/neworleanscrisis
(the yahoo group neworleanscrisis)
Some interesting takes on this. Did Bush drag his feet on purpose for 3 days? Where do you put 150,000 poor people in a moments notice? Not just anywhere you want.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
2 New Orleans Police officers have been reported to have committed suicide.
Mental Health issues: some may believe are a sign of weakness are right...TOTAL MENTAL AND PHYSICAL BREAKDOWN DUE TO EXSPOSURE TO THIS NIGHTMARE.
Posted by net10708 on :
The above address is missing the word groups where the stars are.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by net10708: [QB] The above address is missing the word groups where the stars are.
---------------------------------------------- What are you trying to do? Hustle stocks?
Posted by timberman on :
Well, "Houston we got a problem". Bush is scrambling this AM to cover politicaly.
I for one ain't buying, and I don't think America is either.
Wall Street Journal basicly says America won't forgive a loser, I agree on a matter of this magnitude.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Bush just keeps digging himsef in deeper and deeper.. Bringing out Rumsfeild was a mistake, he seemed to be lost at the press conferance.
Posted by morehotair123 on :
you bush bashers are a joke.
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by morehotair123: you bush bashers are a joke.
------------------------------------------------- Atleast you know yourself. Your handle tells it all.
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by morehotair123: you bush bashers are a joke.
boing, boing... in leaps the pathologically illogical...
How can one be a "Bush basher?"
Nothing to do with conservative vs liberal philosophies...nothing to do with politics, parties, or even "spy vs Spy" in Mad magazine...
"Bush basher" equates hyperbolically to "rape basher."
*well, I realize everyone always comes out against the rapist. Oh, surrrrreee--the victim's always right--right? Well, let's not forget--on the bright side--the mangled rape victim *was* able to learn first-hand the intricacies of the criminal justice system. That's more than a lot of college graduates will ever know. You have to admit, knowledge of how the system works is very valuable.*
boing, boing...
Hotair? There's an old, cliched chestnut re getting your exercise by jumping to conclusions. lol, man--walk around the block...
Most of us are posting to help sort out our personal and financial contributions to help resolve the problem...
Posted by bdgee on :
How does truth amount to "Bush bashing"?
Posted by bmaxingout on :
more hot air. im with you thats all these people do is bash bush in here after reading some of these posts one really wonders if some of these people have ever picked up the news paper before besides the washington post or boston herald. did anyone in know that in 1996 the state of lo was given 2 billion dollars to repair the levies out of that they spent one tenth of one percent on the levies but they did manage to spend two million on a new fountain for maudi graw wow whats up with that billary cliton is all pissed off about fema being controlled by the dept of homeland sec.but yet she signed the bill that made that happen. she must have been hanging around kerry flipin and a flopin. wow dems have really lost control is it possible that we could ever beleive a word that comes out of their mouths
Bmax,
Posted by 4Art on :
Join Bmax and all Citizens of The Fatherland in the support of our Fuhrer and His Thousand Year Reich.
Sieg heil! Seig heil!
Posted by bdgee on :
bmaxingout,
As has been pointed out here over and over by people that don't get their information through Fat rush the Doper (and not yet convicted dope dealer),who collects it from the Republican National Committee, it isn't even legal for the City of New Orleans to work on the levies about that city, let alone to have misspent moneies they never had.
Grow up!
Posted by bdgee on :
Here, bmaxingout, check out the truth for a change.
Notice there is no mention of the scenario you posted above, which was obviously concocted to steer attention away from the real culprit.
Then you have to insult Senator Clinton and make false claims there too. Why? Senators don't sign, bills, Presidents do...or did you get taught by Fat Rush the doper to spread lies on that too?
Talk about hot air!!
Posted by morehotair123 on :
bdgee, You my freind need to do a little fact checking. Bmax is right on the money. Now on Senator Clinton, any bills must pass the house before the Pres even sees it.Her name IS on that bill. Sorry but that is the truth.
Posted by morehotair123 on :
quote:Originally posted by 4Art: Join Bmax and all Citizens of The Fatherland in the support of our Fuhrer and His Thousand Year Reich.
Sieg heil! Seig heil!
now now i thought that we wern't bashing
what we need is our first black president back,oh crap we cant he was impeached, roflmfao
Posted by morehotair123 on :
thats right he was a lieing *******
Posted by bdgee on :
morehotair123,
Sorry to correct you, but a member of the House or Senate may propose bills, write some or all of a bill, and vote for or against one, but they do not have any capacity to "sign' them. That is an option of the President.
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by bmaxingout: more hot air. im with you thats all these people do is bash bush in here after reading some of these posts one really wonders if some of these people have ever picked up the news paper before besides the washington post or boston herald. did anyone in know that in 1996 the state of lo was given 2 billion dollars to repair the levies out of that they spent one tenth of one percent on the levies but they did manage to spend two million on a new fountain for maudi graw wow whats up with that billary cliton is all pissed off about fema being controlled by the dept of homeland sec.but yet she signed the bill that made that happen. she must have been hanging around kerry flipin and a flopin. wow dems have really lost control is it possible that we could ever beleive a word that comes out of their mouths
Bmax,
lol, already showed the impossibility of bashing Bush...
surrender, before you're embarrasssed too much to eat Wheaties...
You will need your strength in the days to come.
Lottsa rebuilding needed...
Posted by morehotair123 on :
***************NEWS FLASH********************
Despite a week-long pounding by the elite media and Democrats, CNN/USA Today/Gallup finds only 13% of Americans blame Bush for hurricane response
Posted by morehotair123 on :
a must read for tex and dbgee
from the wall street journal
BY BOB WILLIAMS Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT
As the devastation of Hurricane Katrina continues to shock and sadden the nation, the question on many lips is, Who is to blame for the inadequate response?
As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, I can fully understand and empathize with the people and public officials over the loss of life and property.
Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin.
The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center.
The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.
In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.
A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected. The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle [sic] reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored.
Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation.
The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done.
The evacuation plan warned that "if an evacuation order is issued without the mechanisms needed to disseminate the information to the affected persons, then we face the possibility of having large numbers of people either stranded and left to the mercy of a storm, or left in an area impacted by toxic materials." That is precisely what happened because of the mayor's failure.
Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done.
The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid. In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people. The plan clearly gives the governor the authority for declaring an emergency, sending in state resources to the disaster area and requesting necessary federal assistance.
State legislators and governors nationwide need to update their contingency plans and the operation procedures for state emergency centers. Hurricane Katrina had been forecast for days, but that will not always be the case with a disaster (think of terrorist attacks). It must be made clear that the governor and locally elected officials are in charge of the "first response."
I am not attempting to excuse some of the delays in FEMA's response. Congress and the president need to take corrective action there, also. However, if citizens expect FEMA to be a first responder to terrorist attacks or other local emergencies (earthquakes, forest fires, volcanoes), they will be disappointed. The federal government's role is to offer aid upon request.
The Louisiana Legislature should conduct an immediate investigation into the failures of state and local officials to implement the written emergency plans. The tragedy is not over, and real leadership in the state and local government are essential in the months to come. More importantly, the hurricane season is still upon us, and local and state officials must stay focused on the jobs for which they were elected--and not on the deadly game of passing the emergency buck.
Posted by BuyTex on :
heard that on...
RUSH
today...
lol, about 600 folks polled...
please post the sample/freqency/geo data...
Posted by morehotair123 on :
so what are you haveing for breakfeast tex,lol
Posted by morehotair123 on :
Nagin blames everyone but himself we up here call that demmie ass covering
New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin exploded in frustration last night as his city spun further out of control, saying that Gov. Kathleen Blanco and President Bush need to stop holding "goddman press conferences" and "get their ass[es] on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now."
"I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it's the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem," Nagin said during an interview with a local New Orleans radio station.
"But somebody needs to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now," he erupted.
"I don't want to see anybody hold anymore goddamn press conferences," Nagin railed. "Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference until the resources are in this city. And then come to this city and stand with us, when their are [so many] military trucks and troops that we can't even count."
An exasperated Nagin continued:
"Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. . . . I'm at the point now where it don't matter. People are dying. They don't have homes. They don't have jobs. The city of New Orleans will never be the same in this time."
Before launching into his radio tirade, Nagin explained: "You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very clearly
Posted by morehotair123 on :
by the way that came from news max
Posted by morehotair123 on :
exactly how much more do you want. the proof is everywhere. ask for more and you will receive
Louisiana Officials in Flood-Money Scam Nine months before the Hurricane Katrina disaster, three Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness officials were indicted for obstructing an audit into flood prevention expenditures.
In a November 2004 press release, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Louisiana announced:
A federal grand jury has returned two separate indictments charging three members of the State Military Department with offenses related to the obstruction of an audit of the use of federal funds for flood mitigation activities throughout Louisiana. "The two emergency management officials were senior employees of the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness. Both were charged with conspiracy to obstruct a federal audit."
Gov. Kathleen Blanco told Louisiana's News-Star at the time that she was disturbed by the indictments. She said the National Guard is cooperating with the investigation "as I expect them to do."
Reports of rampant corruption among Louisiana's state and local agencies have been cited in recent days to explain why officials were so ill-prepared to deal with the Katrina disaster.
Posted by morehotair123 on :
Update: Red Cross Says "We Were Kept From Superdome By State"
September 7, 2005 7:01 p.m. EST
Douglas Maher - All Headline News Staff Reporter
Washington, D.C. (AHN) - A report on Fox News from correspondent Major Garrett Wednesday night reveals a major break into what exactly went wrong at the Louisiana Superdome in the days after Hurricane Katrina struck the city.
An American Red Cross representative tells Fox News that the Louisiana State Homeland Security Department refused the relief organization permission to take food and water to the Superdome because they did not want to "encourage people to go there."
They State office of Homeland Security wanted to get people out and were afraid that providing support would be a "magnet" attracting more displaced citizens of New Orleans.
Stay with All Headline News for more on this developing aspect of the Hurricane Katrina Relief.
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by morehotair123: so what are you haveing for breakfeast tex,lol
anything I want...lol
point?
notice you dodged the question... LOL
[ September 07, 2005, 21:56: Message edited by: BuyTex ]
Posted by morehotair123 on :
cnn transcript AMERICAN MORNING
Grim Mission in New Orleans
Aired September 5, 2005 - 07:00 ET
NAGIN: The president looked at me. I think he was a little surprised. He said, "No, you guys stay here. We're going to another section of the plane, and we're going to make a decision."
He called me in that office after that. And he said, "Mr. Mayor, I offered two options to the governor." I said -- and I don't remember exactly what. There were two options. I was ready to move today. The governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision.
S. O'BRIEN: You're telling me the president told you the governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision?
NAGIN: Yes.
S. O'BRIEN: Regarding what? Bringing troops in?
NAGIN: Whatever they had discussed. As far as what the -- I was abdicating a clear chain of command, so that we could get resources flowing in the right places.
S. O'BRIEN: And the governor said no.
NAGIN: She said that she needed 24 hours to make a decision. It would have been great if we could of left Air Force One, walked outside, and told the world that we had this all worked out. It didn't happen, and more people died.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
again we must remember the president cannot mobilize the united states military without congresses approval or a request from a govenor in a state of emergency. the request came when it was alreadt too late
now thats not just alot of hot air,lol
Posted by bdgee on :
Nonsense,
Not true. Like that Fox News you quote, it's doctored. It wsasn't as you claim, " Louisiana State Homeland Security Department", it was FEMA. And the suppiles they stoped from going to the City were truckloads of bottled water.
Don't you have sense enough to understand that Fox news is completely controlled by the far right wing Republican extremist...the same bunch that had Fox insisting even last month that the UN inspectors had found but covered up the finding of stores of atomic weapons in Iraq?
Posted by morehotair123 on :
that was copied right from their artical no doctering there
so are you saying that it was alright to stop people from getting water
weapons are you trying to change the sugject
Posted by morehotair123 on :
quote:Originally posted by BuyTex:
quote:Originally posted by morehotair123: so what are you haveing for breakfeast tex,lol
anything I want...lol
point?
notice you dodged the question... LOL
what was your ? tex
Posted by BuyTex on :
structure of the poll...audience, universe, plus/minus, etc. Do you know anything about polls?
lol--plus, what was the nonsensical "breakfast" question?
Posted by morehotair123 on :
CNNUSATODAYGALLUP POLL: ONLY 13% BLAME BUSH? Wed Sep 07 2005 10:42:26 ET
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 609 adults taken September 5-6 shows:
Blame Game -- 13% said George W. Bush is "most responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane"; 18% said "federal agencies"; 25% said "state and local officials"; 38% said "no one is to blame"; 6% had no opinion. -- 29% said that "top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired"; 63% said they should not; 8% had no opinion.
MORE
Government Performance -- 10% said George W. Bush has done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 25% said "good"; 21% said "neither good nor bad"; 18% said "bad"; 24% said "terrible"; 2% had no opinion. -- 8% said federal government agencies responsible for handling emergencies have done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 27% said "good"; 20% said "neither good nor bad"; 20% said "bad"; 22% said "terrible"; 3% had no opinion. -- 7% said state and local officials in Louisiana have done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 30% said "good"; 23% said "neither good nor bad"; 20% said "bad"; 15% said "terrible"; 5% had no opinion.
it had to do with your comment about wheaties
Posted by bdgee on :
No, I'm saying your source isn't reliable, as anybody with a quarter ounce of unbiased brains already knows.
Posted by morehotair123 on :
hey i see your buddie dean is on the racist ban wagon no wonder why the dems are out of power
Dean: Race Played a Role in Katrina Deaths Sep 07 7:44 PM US/Eastern
By DENISE KALETTE Associated Press Writer
Race was a factor in the death toll from Hurricane Katrina, Howard Dean told members of the National Baptist Convention of America on Wednesday at the group's annual meeting.
Dean, chairman of the Democratic party, made the comments to the Baptists' Political and Social Justice Commission. The Baptist Convention, with an estimated 3.5 million members, is one of the largest black religious groups in the country.
Posted by morehotair123 on :
well bdgee show me your proof that this was bushs fault
show me where bush dragged his feet on anything
but this discussion will have to wait till tommorow i need to get some sleep
hopefully we all make some money in the market tommorow
may god bless you all and may the god look after the victims of this storm.
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: structure of the poll...audience, universe, plus/minus, etc. Do you know anything about polls?
lol--plus, what was the nonsensical "breakfast" question?
lol, bumpadebump
Posted by bdgee on :
The hot air part of you name tells a lot. I can't imagine finding more though.
Now to make a couple of corrections:
Did you mean buddy? I don't recognize the word buddie and I can't find it in the dictionary.
I'll assume you must have meant buddy. But assumption on your part that Howard Dean is a buddy of mine is false. You make a lot of false assumptions, I note.
I do think ol' Howard's comments, if correctly put forth by you above, hold at least a grain of truth. Too many people, mostly Republicans have blamed those poor starving and thirsty people for the mess they are in and used really unnecessary racial exagerations when doing so. Sick selfish hateful remarks!
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by BuyTex:
quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: structure of the poll...audience, universe, plus/minus, etc. Do you know anything about polls?
lol--plus, what was the nonsensical "breakfast" question?
lol, bumpadebump
bump
Posted by cyclekitty1 on :
Kind of heart warming all the love and tenderness in this thread. Makes ya feel warm and fuzzy all over! LOL
Posted by 4Art on :
Sproing!
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
Bush is down to a 38% approval rating this AM.
As people get cought up this week-end on the events of the last 2 weeks it will fall even further Monday.
Many Republicans including myself are begining to feel our Party has been vandalized and just flat out abuised by these arrogant self-serving basturds.
I know some may "say" any self serving thing they please on these message boards, but.
My father who is 93 yrs old and still sharp of mind and witt, is not happy with Bush and crew!
He has been a republican sense changing parties in the late 1940's.
Brownie boy has him cussing in ways I haven't heard sense I quit high school to become a Surfer in search of the endless summer. I split the home scene at 15yrs old.
Posted by 4Art on :
Agreed Dustoff101. The Bush Administration may say they're Republicans, but they sure aren't acting like them. The Republicans I know are for smaller government, good leadership and less federal spending.
STRIKE THREE!!!! You're out! (If only it were that simple.)
Posted by cyclekitty1 on :
Every truth has two sides. It is well to look at both before we commit ourselves to either side. - Aesop
Posted by 4Art on :
True, but the truth is hard to examine when it's being hidden.
quote:Originally posted by cyclekitty1: Every truth has two sides. It is well to look at both before we commit ourselves to either side. - Aesop
Posted by BuyTex on :
quote:Originally posted by cyclekitty1: Every truth has two sides. It is well to look at both before we commit ourselves to either side. - Aesop
just fyi, cyclekitty--
about each point "of truth" are *at least* 6 sides...
Bucky Fuller proved it...linguists acknowledge at least the possibility...
dualism has been dead for decades...lol
not everybody gets it, I understand... Posted by cyclekitty1 on :
quote:Originally posted by BuyTex:
quote:Originally posted by cyclekitty1: Every truth has two sides. It is well to look at both before we commit ourselves to either side. - Aesop
just fyi, cyclekitty--
about each point "of truth" are *at least* 6 sides...
Bucky Fuller proved it...linguists acknowledge at least the possibility...
dualism has been dead for decades...lol
not everybody gets it, I understand...
I get it! and so far how many have we heard?
Posted by cyclekitty1 on :
quote:Originally posted by 4Art: Agreed Dustoff101. The Bush Administration may say they're Republicans, but they sure aren't acting like them. The Republicans I know are for smaller government, good leadership and less federal spending.
STRIKE THREE!!!! You're out! (If only it were that simple.)
Don't know how I missed this one 4art EXCELLENT post. 5 stars!!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by cyclekitty1:
quote:Originally posted by 4Art: Agreed Dustoff101. The Bush Administration may say they're Republicans, but they sure aren't acting like them. The Republicans I know are for smaller government, good leadership and less federal spending.
STRIKE THREE!!!! You're out! (If only it were that simple.)
Don't know how I missed this one 4art EXCELLENT post. 5 stars!!
when Bushthesecond won his first primary? i thought it was a fluke...
i was still willing to support anybody against Gore...
what is it they say about the rock and the hard place????
Posted by bdgee on :
Hindsight, Glass.......
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
I wanted Bush to get off his rear end, not go on a rumured drunk....Geez whats next? I can't believe I voted for this character...
This current grand standing by Bush and his handlers is embarrasing the country..
I think the calvary charge fizzled miserably a long time ago, but, they keep trying it.
He should of gone to AA, they would of tought him expecting better results by continually doing the same dumb thing does not achieve better results.
[ September 23, 2005, 17:25: Message edited by: Dustoff101 ]
Posted by gmh37 on :
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: I wanted Bush to get off his rear end, not go on a rumured drunk....Geez whats next? I can't believe I voted for this character...
Dustoff101
IMO, you're ar an .......? What can a Pres. do on a situation like this ? You think your Whitehouse WHORE Clinton could have done better ? - get a life
gmh37
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
quote:Originally posted by gmh37: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Dustoff101: [qb] I wanted Bush to get off his rear end, not go on a rumured drunk....Geez whats next? I can't believe I voted for this character...
Dustoff101
IMO, you're ar an .......? What can a Pres. do on a situation like this ? You think your Whitehouse WHORE Clinton could have done better ? - get a life
------------------------------------------------- Cool, I've been waiting for your sorry azz.. 1st, I wouldn't vote for Hillary.. 2nd, your nothing more than a stock scam Hustler.. 3 I wiill take my life just the way it is, and it's mighty good.. 4 Be a man and finish your pansie azz spelling 5 Don't mess with me, I think you may be mixed up in a scam group. And now you just put yourself on my radar..
Posted by 4Art on :
Why does everyone who criticizes Bush get accused of worshiping Clinton? I think it's called "Rush Limbaugh Syndrome." (Or is that an addiction to pain killers, LOL.)
Clinton was never a hero of mine. Bush is much worse.
Posted by bdgee on :
Well, 4Art, it's because they don't think too pretty good, as is evidenced by their lack of logical development in most things political. They have to be led and, because it is their Party that leads, they don't think. During the years of the Clinton White House, Fat Rush and other Party rulers dictated that they hate Clinton (which in their thrill of obeying the Party, slopped over to include his wife). After that, their own experience suggest to them that differing politically has to equate to hatred of dubya and love of Clinton, like they did. They are so wrapped in their illogical trap that they (1) believe Clinton was a liberal and (2) everyone that doesn't worship dubya loves Clinton.
Remember, if A implies B, then not B implies not A. To lean on the mistaken notion that, if A implies B, then B implies A, is not the process of a logical mimd.
Remember, too, the logical imperitive that not A is true whenever not B is true, follows from the FACT that "A implies B" is a true and factual statement. If you assume, falsly, that A implies B, all bets are off. Thus is the fate of all arguments beginning with an assumption like "Clinton is a liberal' or that "if you voice an opinion or objection against something Bush says or does, then you hate him".
Posted by Dustoff101 on :
bdgee, well, ya did it again.. Concise, and well thought out post...
I think many Bush supporters are going through a kind of de-programing period..
Thats why they lash out so blindly without thinking...
Notice how they immediately go bash central personal, must be because they do not have a valid arguement... And some honesty within is trying to get out...Like a mis behaving child..
Problem is, when they do it to me, they're in for a fight..I always did luv a good bar room brawl.
Posted by 4Art on :
Limbaugh Logic; Example A: If all cats are animals, and all dogs are animals, then all cats are definitely dogs.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by gmh37:
quote:Originally posted by Dustoff101: I wanted Bush to get off his rear end, not go on a rumured drunk....Geez whats next? I can't believe I voted for this character...
Dustoff101
IMO, you're ar an .......? What can a Pres. do on a situation like this ? You think your Whitehouse WHORE Clinton could have done better ? - get a life
gmh37
i love it...
if Clinton were in office? we wouldn't have any hurricanes, God obviously liked Clinton....
i mean, the terroists tried to knock down the Twin Towers when he was in office but thru divine intervention, they failed....( don't ask me how i know it was divine intervention, it's kindof embarrassing to admit that i get a chain letter that originates in heaven...soon i'll have sent them enough money to get it directly from St Peter's Macintosh instead of being the thirty seventh in line )
Posted by glassman on :
see? we'e already had more major hurricanes since Bush took office than we did the whole time Clinton was....
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maybe i should quit my Marlboro habit (for the twelfth time) on the way down there????
