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Top Commander Says Insurgency Still Strong By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer 17 minutes ago
The top American commander in the Persian Gulf told Congress on Thursday that the Iraqi insurgency has not grown weaker over the past six months, despite a claim by Vice President Dick Cheney that it was in its "last throes."
Gen. John Abizaid's testimony came at a contentious Senate Armed Services Committee hearing at which Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld clashed with members of both parties, including a renewed call by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record) of Massachusetts for him to step down.
Citing what he called repeated "gross errors and mistakes" in the U.S. military campaign in Iraq, Kennedy told Rumsfeld: "In baseball, it's three strikes, you're out. What is it for the secretary of defense?"
"Isn't it time for you to resign?" Kennedy asked.
"I've offered my resignation to the president twice," Rumsfeld shot back, saying that President Bush had decided not to accept it. "That's his call," he said.
Kennedy has called for Rumsfeld's resignation before.
Rumsfeld, Abizaid and other top defense officials were grilled on the future presence of U.S. troops in Iraq. As to proposals from some lawmakers to set a timetable for U.S. withdrawal, Rumsfeld said: "That would be a mistake."
But even some Republicans expressed open skepticism with U.S. policy in Iraq, with U.S. deaths now surpassing 1,700 since the war began in March 2003.
"Public support in my state is turning," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C. "People are beginning to question. And I don't think it's a blip on the radar screen. We have a chronic problem on our hands."
Committee Democrats and some Republicans on the panel accused the administration of being overly optimistic, including Cheney's Memorial Day "last throes" observation about the insurgency.
Abizaid told the panel: "I believe there are more foreign fighters coming into Iraq than there were six months ago." As to the overall strength of the insurgency, Abizaid said it was "about the same" as six months ago.
"We see good progress in both Iraq and Afghanistan... But we are realistic. And we know that great change is often accompanied with violence. We are not trying to paint a rosy picture," Abizaid said.
Told by Levin, the committee's senior Democrat, that his assessment directly contradicted Cheney, Abizaid said: "I don't know that I would make any comment about that other than to say there's a lot of work to be done...I gave you my opinion."
In a CNN interview last month, Cheney said: "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency."
"The fact is that the insurgency has not weakened," Levin said. "Our men and women in uniform are serving with great honor. They deserve an objective assessment of the situation in Iraq. They deserve a clear layout of the next steps there. They're not getting either from the administration."
Rumsfeld voiced strong opposition to congressional calls for an exit strategy with a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops.
"Timing in war is never predictable. There are never guarantees," Rumsfeld said. "Those who say we are losing this war are wrong. We are not."
Testifying on the progress in training Iraq's own security forces, Rumsfeld said these forces have "a way to go," but progress was being made.
The administration contends that Iraqis must be able to defend their own country against a lethal insurgency before a timeline for bringing home troops can be considered.
But progress has been slower than expected. In recent weeks, insurgents have increasingly targeted Iraqi security forces. And U.S. casualties, war spending and public skepticism continue to climb, ruffling both Republicans and Democrats.
"Leaving before the task is complete would be catastrophic," Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the panel.
Levin said there was "no military settlement without a political settlement."
He said the Bush administration should tell the Iraqis that if they do not meet their deadline for drafting a constitution — August 15, with a possible six-month extension — the United States will consider setting a timetable for troop withdrawals.
"We must demonstrate to the Iraqis that our willingness to bear the burden ... has limits," Levin said.
Iraqis are to vote on the proposed constitution in a referendum by Oct. 15. It must be ratified by a two-thirds majority of voters. If approved, elections for a permanent government would be held by Dec. 15.
Rumsfeld and committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va., added their voices to those urging Iraq to stick to that schedule.
Warner, meanwhile, praised Bush for "steady and unflinching resolve.
"Our great nation has an enormous capacity for sacrifice and hardship when we understand the cause is just," he said.
Posted by Art on :
Yes, but the tide has started to turn - the beginning of the end for the terroists is now - as soon as the Iraqi gobvernment is fully established this will be clear. Posted by glassman on :
how many times can somebody be completely wrong before people finally give up on "supporting them, no matter what" Posted by bdgee on :
glass...,
That's really mean, bringing that up these many months later.
Glass, you took one out of Clinton's book there. LOL
Posted by glassman on :
"The fact is that the insurgency has not weakened," Levin said. "Our men and women in uniform are serving with great honor. They deserve an objective assessment of the situation in Iraq. They deserve a clear layout of the next steps there. They're not getting either from the administration."
well, i just wanted to remind everybody that the troops on the ground really do know what's going on.....
what i heard this morning from the GOP politicians is that if Iraq goes into civil war? our troops will stand aside, and let 'em duke it out.....
i'm not anti-war, i'm anti-stupidity... things are getting stupider and stupider...
if Iraq falls into civil war? do you really think that'll be a great step forward for democratic freedon?
Posted by bdgee on :
I have to disagree, Glass...
It is almost impossible to get stupider than to have believed that we had any business trying to change an Arab culture older than our own or that we had any chance of doing so.
Then too, neither of those idiotic notions was quite so stupid as insisting to a world that almost unanimously assured us that (1) Iraq was not a part of or connected to the 9/11 attack or anything like it and (2) that Iraq had no WMDs that their assurances were false.
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
Maybe we'll get the insurgents to run our ports? That would keep them busy...
Posted by bdgee on :
I don't have any doubt that they could and would do a better job than the shrubery. These guys at least have the courage of their convictions.
I can't make myself compose a sentence containing both the name of the president and the word courage. This is a guy that thinks courage and arragance are synonyms. He dodged the draft by getting daddy to impose the rules so he could get free flying lessons, then was so scared of driving the planes he went awol permanantly.
Posted by Gordon Bennett on :
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