I know it was no big shock that Condi was nominated and voted by the committee today, But was I the only one shocked John Kerry was there? Maybe his New years resolution was to attend 2 meetings this year.
Posted by Art on :
He couldn't pass up the chance to make a campaign speech for the 2008 elections.
Posted by Nanny on :
I am so glad he came to the hearing so he could vote NO!!
Posted by Art on :
quote:Originally posted by Nanny: I am so glad he came to the hearing so he could vote NO!!
I am too. Posted by Bob Frey on :
Did he vote? Think not.
Ok if he did it has changed to the no or yes depending on how he voted the first time.
Posted by Art on :
Yes, he actually did vote for her, before he voted against her.
Posted by Nanny on :
At least Kerry doesn't hide behind RICE Pudding. Bush has Condi Rice do his mind changing .
Posted by Realm007 on :
quote:Originally posted by Art: Yes, he actually did vote for her, before he voted against her.
Bush and Kerry are nothing more than rock stars with followers that would die for them!
Admitting a mistake doesn't always = changing mind on how one voted. It just means you made a mistake. I think everyone makes mistakes time to time, including the President. Rice and Rumsfled are nothing but Pawns for President Bush.
Whats sickening about Bush is he is using the War as his War. Both Republican/Democrat, Black/White, Gay/Straight and everything in between go and fight and die in these wars and somehow the War becomes George Bush's War, that he fought and won.
Kerry played into the game and really made a mistake buy saying the War was wrong, but personally to me the way Bush uses the War for his own game is what..
I'll go fight in the War as long as George W our Commando- leads the way into battle.
-- as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know
Posted by Kate on :
Condalisa Rice, can think for herself, and she does a very good job doing it! I think she is a very intelligent lady, and will do a good job!
Posted by Art on :
Realm007: Bush and Kerry are nothing more than rock stars with followers that would die for them!
Art: Hero worship is a very strong human need - religious fanatics fuflfill this need in worshiping their God and following religious leaders, and patriots do the same.
Real: I think everyone makes mistakes time to time, including the President. Rice and Rumsfled are nothing but Pawns for President Bush.
Art: I thought Bush was stupid and that Rice and others actually ran things? Now Bush is the kingpin and onyl collects "yes" people atound him. Both notions are ridiculous - Bush is the one that makes decisions but he listens to advice. Bush is looking out for our economy, and waging a war on terrorism to defend America, in Iraq. Had Bush not invaded Iraq, the terrorists would have secretly allied with Saddam and gained WMD that were hidden (likely in Syria). They would have created such problems as to seriously hurt the U.S. and the world's economy.
What mistake was made in Iraq?
Real: What's sickening about Bush is he is using the War as his War. Both Republican/Democrat, Black/White, Gay/Straight and everything in between go and fight and die in these wars and somehow the War becomes George Bush's War, that he fought and won.
Art: He also takes the blame. No one forces a soldier to enlist. Some want to engage in combat - an exicting game for many.
Real: Kerry played into the game and really made a mistake buy saying the War was wrong, but personally to me the way Bush uses the War for his own game is what..
Art: Any political leader exploits situations for political points, which is why such a person is a political leader.
Real: I'll go fight in the War as long as George W our Commando- leads the way into battle.
Art: No, we will let others fight for us. I myself appreciate what they are doing.
Real: ....as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know.
Art: Any situation like Iraq is fraught with unknowns. Decsisions are always based on incomplete data in a complex world situation. No one knew the extent of resistance once we captured Iraq. The media play up the amount of rsistance and don't report the progress we are making - the news is always biased.
I believe the resistance has been light and that the Iraqi people are increasingly taking responsibility for handling it. The liberals demeean Bush for Iraq but none of them say we should pull out of Iraq - that is not contributory at all. The constant negativitism of liberals, without offering any solutions to problems, costing liberals political power. It is a shame they are so stupid as to be unable to offer solutions - we need two intelleligent opposing parties, not just one.
Posted by Realm007 on :
Art, Are you saying one thing and meaning another like GW Bush has been doing??!!!
Lighten up, Kerry nor Bush would die for you in a War, well maybe Kerry and maybe Bush. Do you think the "Dodgers" will do good in baseball this year???
You portrait of the troops being a bunch of nuts is wack. A LOT OF TROOPS JOIN TO MAKE A LIVING PERIOD!
Posted by Art on :
Realm007: Art, Are you saying one thing and meaning another like GW Bush has been doing??!!!
Art: How so?
Real: Lighten up, Kerry nor Bush would die for you in a War, well maybe Kerry and maybe Bush.
Art: I served, reluctantly, and got out as soon as I could - like Kerry who got at least one unearned purple heart (wound didn't even draw blood) in order to get out early.
Real: Do you think the "Dodgers" will do good in baseball this year???
Art: Don't know. Who do you like in college football except Oklahoma and USC?
Real: Your portrait of the troops being a bunch of nuts is wack.
Art: Never said that. Your interpretation of what I said is wack.
Real: A LOT OF TROOPS JOIN TO MAKE A LIVING PERIOD!
Art: Other and safer ways to make the same living - why pick soldiering over the safer ways?
Posted by jordanreed on :
bush is an ass--an idiot who trys to live up to his families expectations. lots of spin doctors covering up for his blunders. oil--oil--oil. !! look back in his family tree. money!! all about the money.== this is our president?? cmon--he's an idiot. for crisss sakE!!! IS EVERYONE BLIND?? I'd expect you rednecks to think otherwise. he is a KKK wanabee but afraid to say so
Posted by ohdagagain on :
Wow thank you jordan, for a bit I thought I was the dumbest person on here, thanks for proving me wrong. I can take being the second dumbest.
Posted by glassman on :
it's not KKK, it's C of CC.....
Posted by Art on :
quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: bush is an ass--an idiot who trys to live up to his families expectations. lots of spin doctors covering up for his blunders. oil--oil--oil. !! look back in his family tree. money!! all about the money.== this is our president?? cmon--he's an idiot. for crisss sakE!!! IS EVERYONE BLIND?? I'd expect you rednecks to think otherwise. he is a KKK wanabee but afraid to say so
Yes, it is all about oil. A continued oil supply is necessary for the world economy as well as the U.S. economy. Saddam was a mideast threat, and could have secretly supplied terrorists with WMD to use against us. Had we withdrawn from the mideast and not invaded, sanctions would have been lifted and Saddam would have consoidated power and developed more and better WMD than he had before. It was also about preventing future attacks against us. Well worth the cost of the war to prevent economic calamity and to bring democracy into the mideast - democracy is our greatest weapon against terrorism. Posted by glassman on :
Art, simply saying it's so doesn't make it so....
by your implication, we would have FAILED in using diplomacy...
why would sanctions have been lifted? are we that weak? i think not...esp. after 911...
this IMPLIES the there is/was no DIPLOMATIC solution...
OR
if there was, we would have FAILED in our efforts to accomplish it...
i stand FIRM in my assertion that we are in Iraq for a LOOOOOONNGGG time.... MUCH longer than anyone is predicting officially... maybe forever....
Posted by Art on :
glassman: Art, simply saying it's so doesn't make it so....by your implication, we would have FAILED in using diplomacy...
Art: We failed in using diplomacy with Saddam many years ago - we passed numerous UN resolutions for unrestricted weapons inspection in Iraq, which Saddam ignored. Saddam continued to invade the no-fly zone, and shoot at our planes, even though he had agreed not to do this. Saddam had the backing of France Germany, Russia, China and many othe nations, and they were all uniting against any diplomatic effort we had made for over 10 years.
glassman: why would sanctions have been lifted? are we that weak? i think not...esp. after 911...
Art: Saddam had the backing of France Germany, Russia, China and many othe nations, and they were all wanting sanctions to be lifited in the years just before the Iraqi liberation. If we had not invaded and gone home, this would be an admission that Saddam was no threat and there would not have been any reason to keep the sanctions going. The US can not keep UN sanctions in force by itself.
glassman: this IMPLIES the there is/was no DIPLOMATIC solution...OR....if there was, we would have FAILED in our efforts to accomplish it...
Art: Absolutely. We were seeking total unrestricted weapons inspection of Iraq. We tried to acheive this diplomatically for over 10 years, from the first Iraqi war to the second liberation of Ieraq, but failed. Saddam repeatedly refused to cooperate over this 10 year period, even when we we at his door with our Army and threatening to invade.
I don't who think anything short of military defeat of Saddam would have worked, in neuralizing Saddam as a threat to his neighbors and the world.
glassman: i stand FIRM in my assertion that we are in Iraq for a LOOOOOONNGGG time.... MUCH longer than anyone is predicting officially... maybe forever....
Art: Hope so. Our presence in Iraq has started to pay dividends in an Arab peace with Israel and has put Syrai and Iran on notice, plus has served as a magnet to draw the terrorists to Iraq to be killed.
Bush has shown history how to deal with Islamic terrorism and his contributions here will eventually be praised by historians (who are often liberal).
[ January 24, 2005, 11:09: Message edited by: Art ]