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Security Council
4707th Meeting (AM)
IRAQ COOPERATING WITH DISARMAMENT PROCEDURES, BUT MANY BANNED WEAPONS
REMAIN UNACCOUNTED FOR, INSPECTORS TELL SECURITY COUNCIL
‘Immediate, Unconditional and Active’ Cooperation Needed to Resolve Questions;
France, China, Russian Federation, Germany Support Continued Inspection Process
The heads of the weapons inspections regime in Iraq reported to the Security Council today that procedural cooperation in the disarmament process in Iraq continued to improve in recent weeks, and to date they had found no weapons of mass destruction, but many banned weapons remained unaccounted for and that could only be resolved through Iraq’s “immediate, unconditional and active” cooperation.
The Council was meeting for the first time since United States Secretary of State Colin Powell made his case for disarming Iraq by forcelast week, presenting evidence intended to show Iraq was deceiving inspectors in its determination to obtain chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The inspections began on
27 November and were authorized by resolution 1441, which gave Iraq “a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations” dating to 1991 and the end of the Persian Gulf war.
The Executive Chairman of the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), Hans Blix, who last briefed the Council on
27 January, said more than 400 inspections at 300 sites had been conducted without notice, access was almost always provided promptly, and there was no convincing evidence that Iraq knew in advance that the inspectors were coming. The recent acceptance of aerial surveillance and interviews of scientists without witnesses, as well as appointment by Iraq of a second commission entrusted with relevant documentation search, had also been positive developments........
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Through the inspections conducted so far, the Commission had obtained a good knowledge of the industrial and scientific landscape of Iraq, he said, as well as of its missile capability, but, as before, it did not know every cave and corner. Inspections were effectively helping to bridge the gap in knowledge that had arisen due to the absence of inspections between December 1998 and November 2002. More than 200 chemical and more than 100 biological samples had been collected at different sites. Three quarters of those had been screened using the Commission’s own laboratory analytical capabilities at the Baghdad Centre (BOMVIC). The results to date had been consistent with Iraq’s declarations......
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Turning to plans for the immediate future, he said that yesterday UNMOVIC had informed the Iraqi authorities of its intention to start using the U-2 surveillance aircraft early next week under arrangements similar to those UNSCOM had followed. He was also in the process of working out modalities for the use of the French Mirage aircraft starting later next week and for the drones supplied by the German Government. The offer from Russia of the Antonov aircraft, with night vision capabilities, was a welcome one and was next on the agenda for further improving UNMOVIC’s and IAEA’s technical capabilities. Those developments were in line with suggestions made in a non-paper recently circulated by France, suggesting a further strengthening of the inspection capabilities......
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MOHAMED ELBARADEI, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), said that the focus of the Agency’s inspections had now moved from the “reconnaissance phase” into the “investigative phase”. The “reconnaissance phase” was aimed at re-establishing rapidly the Agency’s knowledge base of Iraq’s nuclear capabilities, ensuring that nuclear activities at known key facilities had not been resumed, verifying the location of nuclear material and relevant non-nuclear material and equipment, and identifying the current workplaces of former key Iraqi personnel. The focus of the “investigative phase” was achieving an understanding of Iraq’s activities over the last four years, in particular, in areas identified by States as being of concern and those identified by the Agency on the basis of its own analysis.
Since his 27 January report, the Agency had conducted an additional
38 inspections at 19 locations, for a total of 177 inspections at 125 locations. Iraq had continued to provide immediate access to all locations. In the course of the inspections, the Agency had identified certain facilities at which it would be re-establishing containment and surveillance systems to monitor, on a continuous basis, activities associate with critical dual-use equipment. Currently, the Agency was using recurrent inspections to ensure that that equipment was not being used for prohibited purposes.
anybody who questions these issues should read the COMPLETE UN PR ....
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2003/sc7664.doc.htm
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For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
March 17, 2003
President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours
Remarks by the President in Address to the Nation
The Cross Hall
8:01 P.M. EST
THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, events in Iraq have now reached the final days of decision. For more than a decade, the United States and other nations have pursued patient and honorable efforts to disarm the Iraqi regime without war. That regime pledged to reveal and destroy all its weapons of mass destruction as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War in 1991.
Since then, the world has engaged in 12 years of diplomacy. We have passed more than a dozen resolutions in the United Nations Security Council. We have sent hundreds of weapons inspectors to oversee the disarmament of Iraq. Our good faith has not been returned.
The Iraqi regime has used diplomacy as a ploy to gain time and advantage. It has uniformly defied Security Council resolutions demanding full disarmament. Over the years, U.N. weapon inspectors have been threatened by Iraqi officials, electronically bugged, and systematically deceived. Peaceful efforts to disarm the Iraqi regime have failed again and again -- because we are not dealing with peaceful men.
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. This regime has already used weapons of mass destruction against Iraq's neighbors and against Iraq's people.
The regime has a history of reckless aggression in the Middle East. It has a deep hatred of America and our friends. And it has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda.
remember that SUCKING sound that H Ross Perot was telling us about in the
92 Bush-Clinton campaign???
well it's gotten to be a roar, and we are thumbing our noses at the world????
don't make no sense to me man.............
how come everybody keeps forgetting this stuff?????
the world might be a better place with Saddam in jail BUT ITS NOT BETTER with Al-Queda bombing all over Iraq now and Osama-bin alive too long still breathing our air, China cutting back on growth and a 422 billion$ budget deficit......
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the problem is the same old same old is what the u.n. wanted for serious consequences. The u.s wanted more, that was the split.
When U.n. doesnt back themselves up, do you think N.korea will, Iran will, etc.....
If they say serious consequences, they need to mean it, not necessarily war, but, not the same crap that was going on for 12 years, lining their pockets
- Kevin
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now the UN is barely worth anything...
the US built the UN to avoid the situation we are now in......
if the election campaigns were more to relevant points, i wouldn't be beating this drum so hard. neither candidate is addressing the truth...they are arguing over who served/didn't serve in Nam better..totally irrelevant to our situation today...what is going on?????
the john birch society is here
http://www.jbs.org/
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now Sudan is on the front page too...and they kicked Bin Laden out and took his money back in '96..nothing seems to line up straight...no LOL
well i am now officially living in a state of emergency...Misssississisippi...no LOL either...i'm way inland tho...i just hope the army corps of Engineers did the levees on Old Man River better than we been running the world...LOL
Filled many a sand bag where I grew up in St. Louis, Mo.
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- Kevin
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Originally posted by glassman:
there wasn't any WMD to find tho...
the sanctions worked....
that's the point....now the UN is barely worth anything...
the US built the UN to avoid the situation we are now in......
if the election campaigns were more to relevant points, i wouldn't be beating this drum so hard. neither candidate is addressing the truth...they are arguing over who served/didn't serve in Nam better..totally irrelevant to our situation today...what is going on?????
glass,
it is a fact that there were WMD's maybe long ago, but were. With the newer "last chance" inspections, sadam was supposed to announce where everything was and what happened to it. He did not comply with this. Deciding to snub his nose at the league of nations (sorry UN) but just as worthless (ask sudan).
He refused to comply and said come and find them.....playing games. Game over. lets just hope he destroyed all the WMD's (i find it hard to believe) but, to my knowledge, only one mustard gas shell has been used in iraq and it was one of those very old ones.....
LOL- Buchanan- did you vote for him?????
P.S. good luck with the storm!
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who EFFING cares?????
we ALL KNOW the unit Bush was in was for legal draft dodging, we all know he didn't show up for work like REGULAR people...
now the fscists are going to use this to TRY to to FORCE a source to be revealed...
we stand in danger of seeing MORE liberty lost here....
STUPIDITY...we don't have time for this right now, we need to get to the REAL ISSUES
i'm beginning to wonder if Bush and Kerry didn't make up some rules of engagement agreement.......
neither one is addressing OUR PROBLEMS squarely.....
it's all beginning to be INSULTING to me...
are we so dumb that we will elect somebody JUST cuz they look good on stage????(yes..LOL Clinton?)
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Fox would be villified if they invented papers on Kerry's war record. Mr. Rather needs to be held accountable too.
this needs to be remembered kerry entered war in 66/67 bush entered 68/69...
big difference in war interpretation by then, by 68 no one wanted to go....
rich kids always get favortism nothing new. dont care if he never ever showed up for guard duty either.
on the faking the documents, i didnt care when they were found, its a non issue, but, I love to see the elite squeal....
this is all so stupid---watched 60 minutes tonight, saw the nice grandma tell us how Bush has such a high opinion of himself...i never woulda guessed...LOL
hmmmm maybe we will all just forget about the problems in Iraq....
these guys have run 3 major rumor stories as news in the past week.....
the worst one was last night, they tried to show that oil-for-food was a front for Osama-bin-alive too-long.....
i particularly find the way their "reporters/anchors" constantly mis-quote people to be hypocritical since they claim to be the ONLY fair and balanced...
what will be HILARIOUS is if these documents turn out to have been scanned into a computer from the real thing...LOL
i wonder if they would break that story?????
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i guess it depends on how you look at it. i just want rathers boys let this guy hang to dry for his fake documents (i dont care if bush was in the dead van taking bong hits with kerouac, ginsberg and burroughs)
news lying and faking bother me much much more. i dont care which outlet. fox is definately more sensationalized. but cnn is more boring..... i am bored by both of them.
Fox carried Kerry's speech in full live, none of the 5 or 6 others i scanned did...
but i have also had them cut away in the middle of Kerry's speeches...
Kerry is ready to chew nails now, i heard him say the other day that he was waiting till the last 6 weeks out of respect for the trooops.....
he clearly stated that he DID NOT vote for the war, he voted to give Bush the authorisation, and the Fox guys are still saying he voted for the war...saw one of them get corrected in no uncertain terms by one of Kerry's advisors. A beautiful and well spoken black woman with a phd...like Dr. Rice. i didn't get her name cuz i was too busy trading, but she ripped him (the anchor)...
getting more and more interesting...i love politics...LOL
it may be slanted, or a more even way of looking at things, have you seen swift boat ads on cnn??? I haven't, but i've seen those anti bush ads from move on dot org on fox.
Maybe Ted Turner and Jane Fonda are way way left liberals......no LOL
the Fox gossip corner really is more like talk radio(Rush) than TV news.....there is no REAL liberal tv news.... trust me, i know some real liberals...LOL
extreme conservatives and extreme liberals have two things in common
irony and hypocrisy....LOL
Both sides of the coin are whackjobs.
Now that CBS has come out and admitted they took "supposed" fake documents from a completely unreliable source and are investigating, do you find this news or rumor.
I find it news! i'm still waitiing for my globe which ran the national guard story front page, i want to see if they will run the fake document story now that there is what is considered admittance of fault.
(probably wont, run by the times, probably have a big picture of kerry and his 4 point plan)-LOL did you read that one.....
the docudrama is news, and it just goes to the point of how bad the DISinformation age is.....
i hope that my grandchildren will look in the history books and wonder how people could have treated each other so badly. unfortunately it will probably be the opposite, they will probably be saying too bad things aren't like the good old days when things were so much more simple..LOL
when i was living CA we had some Public Radio out there was coming out of Frisco and northern CA that used to get my blood boiling...some of the peices i heard on how wonderful Castro is made me want to reach right into the tuner and throttle sommething.....Castro----hmmm
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my problem is the so-called "spin" which i see as LYING....
like just now..some analyst at the Hudson institute said that most americans want the UN to set american policy....LIAR... she is full of it-- in pool we call that draw
this kind of thing is what i expect a football coach to say in a locker room before the game, not in a discussion about whether or not we are gonna get WW4 going....
we are not as powerful TACTICALLY as these neocoservatives want US to believe...
Strategically, yes, we are the MOST powerful, but not on the ground...like i started saying way back in the spring....running this campaign based on fear mongering will HURT the country badly no matter who wins.....
if Bush wins on this strategy, the country, and the UN will be even more divided...
he has committed to the strtategy, and the die is cast......
he used quite a few New American Century "buzz words" in his speech to the UN...
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Kerry can't form an intl. coalition BEFORE he is president....
i just NOW 13:45 EST watched Bush say that-- Kerry said yesterday that the world is better off with Saddam in power----
this is what is PI$$ING me off.....
Kerry never said anything like that, and i'm tired of being lied to......
how are we supposed to trust people that do this type of thing....
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I watched Kerry say these things or read them, he hasnt even motivated his base, they dont know where he stands, hell, i dont and i can usually figure this crap out.
(i dont do what kerry says bush did, or what bush says kerry did)
I think we will be out in a year to 2 with either as pres. when bush wins (leaning that way now) i think he will flaten fallujah, as he should've done in the beginning
he has always said he would still vote to grant the president the authority....
that is not the same as voting for war....
once again i'm just trying to make sure we hear what they are saying...i just watched NBC do the edit thing again...they said the same thing you guys are ....
BUT that's not what Kerry is saying, and i wonder why even the supposedly liberal stations misquote him....
granting the president the AUTHORITY is VERY different from voting to go......
this has been misquoted so many times, i don't know if anybody will ever get it right......
the president NEEDED a united country behind him for the UN to be brought into it....
disagreeing with the president's methods is not flip-flopping.....
this isn't a freaking checkers game....
Two years ago, Congress was right to give the President the authority to use force to hold Saddam Hussein accountable. This President… any President… would have needed the threat of force to act effectively. This President misused that authority.
The power entrusted to the President gave him a strong hand to play in the international community. The idea was simple. We would get the weapons inspectors back in to verify whether or not Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. And we would convince the world to speak with one voice to Saddam: disarm or be disarmed.
A month before the war, President Bush told the nation: “If we have to act, we will take every precaution that is possible. We will plan carefully. We will act with the full power of the United States military. We will act with allies at our side and we will prevail.” He said that military action wasn’t “unavoidable.”
this is how i heard it from the beginning too.....
the "liberal" media is doing a lot of misquoting too, and it concerns me....
forgot to supply a link...
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0920.html
consider who owns the "supposedly liberal" media....
Disney HMMMM
GE..... up a little lately.....
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all i really want out this is for everybody to get off their butts and vote.....
if the whole world sees us participating in our OWN democracy, maybe that will make things easier...
and i want more honesty out of all the politicians....
i have no doubts that we will be sending more troops to Iraq one way or another....
that reminds me, if Kate is out there?
how's your hand????
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why dont you go get bushes position from his web sites......
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Originally posted by keithsan:
thanks for the honest information from kerrys people..... pick the most biased source why dont you.why dont you go get bushes position from his web sites......
LOL keith,the most biased sources? i guess Kerry doesn't know what he said.....
did you like the whitehouse.org site????i especially like the western white house page...
no LOL, these guys are combating hard to avoid the flip flop label as they should. I dont lie though....he's a flipper flopper. Just from speaches and interviews i've read or seen.
michael moore did I have to give him credit for that. went on the fox website and found no news about it though.....heard it on way home from work other day, on o'reillys radio show (no I dont listen) (usually)
it's bad enough the cable comapny can probably tell i'm watching, but those web site numbers give them credibilty...LOL
i been noticing that on Fox they have mostly MEN pumping Bush...
on CNN they have mostly WOMEN in the 30-40yr range (being polite here) pumping Bush...
i wonder why they are doing that??????LOL
you know, i just found out a nother reason i like Texas...it's illegal for CORPs to donate to politicians there...i like that, i want to see the Feds go to ONLY REGISTERED VOTERS that might help a little
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I only logged on to find the time for the bush interview.....
I just have more important things, like playing yahoo games, than making my head spin with some of these discussions! I'll just keep reading them, until I can't stand it anymore, and then I'll say something! My hand is healing very well, thank you for asking! Still a bit stiff, but I have almost full use back again! I still haven't used the push mower though! The memories are still fresh in my mind!
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Originally posted by Kate:
Thankyou; I appreciate the prayers! I have been praising God I still have my fingertips, after talking to the doctors and nurses in the emergency room that day, because they said over 90 percent of the people who have those accidents, loose them! I stuck my gloves on, five minutes before, and that saved my fingers! I guess God knows how much I love my knitting and crocheting, and typing!