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Sometimes us here on allstocks seem to live in a bubble because the way the forum is setup and we cannot seem to feel the entire market sectors that are hot.

Well, for those of you who currently do not know, the Ethanol markets on all, NYSE, NAZ, OTCBB, Pink, you name it, the stocks are hot. Everything is running huge, and Jim Cramer is calling the Ethanol market the new dot.com stocks.

Im not saying buy here into these stocks because they are up HUGE HUGE HUGE currently. What i am saying is these are the stocks to watch/trade/flip/scalp throughout the day because of the major moves, both up and rarely down.

INSQ,VRDM,IESV,GSHF. I know there are others that i am forgetting. Like i guess NDOL, AMHD and others. List the ones i forget.

But the point im trying to get at is that these are monster stocks currently and are having orchesterated buying from bigger market forces. ie. outside firms.
These stocks are not running because of penny traders, the dollar volume is to massive and the runs are too steady.

Do not buy at the top, but read the charts and the market sentiment, and buy when the time is right and even just sell once you get a good 10%. Boom, just scalp the stocks and say thanks to Ethanol - the new gas.

Bill Gates has put $84 M of his own money into Pacific Ethanol and rumor is that the Nat. Goverment is going to take a more proactive roll in getting the Ethanol Infrastructure up and rolling accross the US.

Good luck to all, and many of you probably already know this, but could prove to be very helpful to others.

This thread is open to all the thoughts on ethanol and the many thoughts and topics about ethanol and ethanol related stocks that i have left out. Thanks.

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Watch out.

We heard the same spiel about flu stocks.

Like 2 weeks ago.

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quote:
Originally posted by 7 of 9:
Watch out.

We heard the same spiel about flu stocks.

Like 2 weeks ago.

LOL, well im not gonna argue, but its like comparing apples to oranges.

The bird flu. Yes, could be huge for stocks, but many different factors involved.

Ethanol. Were talking an entire infrastruce switch. Were talking Hunderds of Billion of dollars of investement to switch Americans off of Oil into Ethanol. Swith from the Middle East to Middle America. Switch from enviroment harming oil to enviroment friendly ethanol. Switch from $70+ oil to ethanol.

Ethanol or E85 as it is known is quicly becoming the NEW OIL of the next 100 years. No comparison IMO. Now im not saying that any of these stocks INSQ, VRDM, IESV, GSHF are going to actually make it but some big players are willing to put multi millions on the line.

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funny, just been thinking about this...

electricity went off today--no huge deal. Except...now on the news? They're saying it wasn't localized but "rolling blackouts" across North Texas. We're having a spell of early summer...lottsa a/c's kicked on today.

LVCP? changed ticker to GRSR (?), a solar play...

NVAO? not oil/gas, but biodiesel...

INSQ et al? ethanol

hmmmm....

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quote:
Originally posted by BuyTex:
funny, just been thinking about this...

electricity went off today--no huge deal. Except...now on the news? They're saying it wasn't localized but "rolling blackouts" across North Texas. We're having a spell of early summer...lottsa a/c's kicked on today.

LVCP? changed ticker to GRSR (?), a solar play...

NVAO? not oil/gas, but biodiesel...

INSQ et al? ethanol

hmmmm....

LOL< hey buytex, i heard about those rolling blackouts, and how you guys were over the 100 degree barrier! WOW. Im right accross the border here in Louisiana and our meterorologists are sayin get ready because that heat is comin our way. 91 today, sayin maybe 95 tommorrow. What a heat wave we have gotten recently down here in the South.

You made any money on these Ethanol plays?

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don't think it's just ethanol plays...look at at the first two I mentioned. What I notice? They've pretty much held their gains... so far -- as you know, many of these run then fall back significantly. PnD's often fall lower than where they started.

Pretty interesting period we're in...

[edit] more thought...this *is* on my mind, lol

Am I changing my tune? That is, hold these things instead of grabbing your profit? Not really... Am merely pointing out what may be a willingness to test alternatives

Last spring/early summer, when the gasoline shock hit, it was all about independents (in da pennies) such as TNOG, that ran like clockwork for a while on any news.

Heck, I'm thinking "out loud" here....

[ April 17, 2006, 22:43: Message edited by: BuyTex ]

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By "last year" I mean traditional-oil independents...

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Quit inhaling the ethanol...lol...especially when it's this f'ing hot...lol.

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quote:
Originally posted by BuyTex:
don't think it's just ethanol plays...look at at the first two I mentioned. What I notice? They've pretty much held their gains... so far -- as you know, many of these run then fall back significantly. PnD's often fall lower than where they started.

Pretty interesting period we're in...

[edit] more thought...this *is* on my mind, lol

Am I changing my tune? That is, hold these things instead of grabbing your profit? Not really... Am merely pointing out what may be a willingness to test alternatives

Last spring/early summer, when the gasoline shock hit, it was all about independents (in da pennies) such as TNOG, that ran like clockwork for a while on any news.

Heck, I'm thinking "out loud" here....

yeah tex, me and you are on the same page. I think this quarter will be about the ethanol and alternative oil stocks. Hopefully the big stocks will slow down so that they still have room to run throughout the summer as they can be great plays for us.

I do think that the higher oil goes the better and quicker the chancer are to having a real choice when we go to the pumps. With GM being the frontrunner of E85 and Nat. Goverment helpin out i think this can be huge.

I have no idea if the stocks that are running now are actually gonna be good investments, but they are fun to trade. I personally would not invest in ANY small cap stock IMO, as i have already been burned and learned my lesson

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ethanol is no joke, I called out a double with NSOL on the other hot stocks board at .80.. that ran over 2.00 lately.. ethanol is for real, this could equal the tech boom of the 90's... Im even blown away at how these ethanol pink's are running. Watch out. Im in on BLDV, looking for suppliers that can work with these emerging ethanol companies. These ethanol stocks have a lot of life to them still IMO.
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quote:
Originally posted by MillerTIME:
quote:
Originally posted by BuyTex:
don't think it's just ethanol plays...look at at the first two I mentioned. What I notice? They've pretty much held their gains... so far -- as you know, many of these run then fall back significantly. PnD's often fall lower than where they started.

Pretty interesting period we're in...

[edit] more thought...this *is* on my mind, lol

Am I changing my tune? That is, hold these things instead of grabbing your profit? Not really... Am merely pointing out what may be a willingness to test alternatives

Last spring/early summer, when the gasoline shock hit, it was all about independents (in da pennies) such as TNOG, that ran like clockwork for a while on any news.

Heck, I'm thinking "out loud" here....

yeah tex, me and you are on the same page. I think this quarter will be about the ethanol and alternative oil stocks. Hopefully the big stocks will slow down so that they still have room to run throughout the summer as they can be great plays for us.

I do think that the higher oil goes the better and quicker the chancer are to having a real choice when we go to the pumps. With GM being the frontrunner of E85 and Nat. Goverment helpin out i think this can be huge.

I have no idea if the stocks that are running now are actually gonna be good investments, but they are fun to trade. I personally would not invest in ANY small cap stock IMO, as i have already been burned and learned my lesson

lol, as posted on another thread, am not ready to consider investing.

But....the huge gains? really, three-in-a-row, if ya think about it: LVCP/GRSR, NVAO, INSQ/et al

I guess what I'm saying is two-fold: 1) be alert, be sharp, help each other find "the next one"

2) be super-wary, as scam-companies suddenly become "ethanol plays."

Will give you an example: saw news early this am from the company that owns Asante (long-time brand name in Mac world), saying they have patent-news for reducing/eliminating noise on cell-phone calls.

Normally? That would have gotten attention...

Where we are now? no way...

In this sense, nothing's changed: figure out the real plays from the bogus.

Gonna be lottsa "noise" for a while, though...

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GM teams up to build ethanol stations
Email Print Normal font Large font By Danny King, San Francisco
April 19, 2006

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AdvertisementGENERAL Motors, the world's largest motor vehicle maker, says it is building 20 ethanol stations in south-eastern Michigan with retailer Meijer and fuel-dispenser maker CleanFUEL USA.

The first station, which will serve a fuel blend of 85 per cent ethanol and 15 per cent petrol, would open in Jackson, Michigan, about 120 kilometres west of Detroit, GM said in a statement.

Michigan had 140,000 of GM's so-called flexible-fuel vehicles, which can operate on any combination of petrol or 85 per cent ethanol blend, GM said. Ethanol is made from crops such as corn.

GM said in February that it would team up with Shell Oil Products US and VeraSun Energy Corporation to add 26 ethanol fuel stations in the Chicago area. The company last month said it would work with Abengoa SA to offer ethanol at 20 stations in Houston and Dallas.

General Motors shares fell US36¢, or 1.8 per cent, to $US20.04 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. They have fallen 22 per cent in the past year.

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Ethanol company gets backing from Gates firm
By Michael Kanellos
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

Published: April 18, 2006, 1:48 PM PDT
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Cascade Investment, a venture and investment firm funded by Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates, has finalized an $84 million investment in Pacific Ethanol, as the momentum for clean technology grows.

Fresno, Calif.-based Pacific manufactures a corn-derived ethanol that can be mixed with gas to power cars or, potentially, in hydrogen fuel cells. The company also sells chemical byproducts created in ethanol production, a key sideline for the profitability of ethanol companies.

The investment will help Pacific fund the construction of a plant in Madera County, which is slated to open in the fourth quarter of this year, and subsequent plants. By the end of 2008, Pacific expects to be operating five plants in the Western U.S. capable of producing 200 million gallons of ethanol.

Two years ago, only a few venture investors were dabbling in alternative energy, but high oil prices and fears about global warming have prompted a rush of investors. Two of the more popular areas for investment are solar technology and biofuels, which derive energy from animal or vegetable matter.

The ideas for biofuels range all over the map. Microgy says it will harvest natural gas out of cow manure, while others plan to create it from algae.

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read about Pacific in the paper, today...

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could you imagine pulling up to the pump and having more opions than unleaded or deisel? like goat poop and corn oil..crazy isnt it?
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quote:
Originally posted by captain america:
could you imagine pulling up to the pump and having more opions than unleaded or deisel? like goat poop and corn oil..crazy isnt it?

No kidding. If nothing else, getting off the need for oil from the middle east and all the other crazy countries (venezula, nigeria, iran, etc.) that we have to deal with. Imagine putting the money into middle america and not the middle east.

WOW, what a though, not having to rely on the middle east anymore for oil. How many problems could they solve? One only knows, but the momemtum is just beginning on ethanol and alternative fuels and with firms like General Motors, Shell, Bill Gates, and the US goverrment i think their is HUGE changes to come.

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im still trying to imagine goat poop shooting out of a gas pump.
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quote:
Originally posted by BuyTex:
read about Pacific in the paper, today...

Pacific Ethanol...Have you seen that stocks 3 month chart. You will drool. For a big cap stock its incredible so far.

Remember that VeraSun IPO is coming soon and i think they will be the 2nd most ethanol behind Pacific Ethanol.

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hey deleet, those who bought bldv think goat poop is the answer..
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i bought bldv at .053 and sold at .09 baby. ethanol is crazy hot, i probably sold to early but 70% is $$$. watch these stocks very close, bldv can really really move with a little volume and so far volume has doubled the last 2 days! it can be .20 in another 2 days. the question is when do we stop buying them?? anyone think they will run out of steam soon?
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It seems yesterday was a big slow down for ethanol. Broke .30 on my VRDM now down around .22. NDOL slowed down also and crept back around .42. BLDV was the only one saw in green yesterday of the most discussed posts. I too am wondering when the momentum will end. SO does anyone think it will correct today or slide some more? GLTA
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Ethanol stocks on the big boards were down for the most part yesterday as well. Market up almost 200 points, but Ethanol didn't do well.
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yeah doesnt look to hot today!
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Internet Visionaries Betting On Green Technology Boom
Vast Market, Huge Profit Potential Beckon Investors

By Annys Shin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 18, 2006; Page D01

Bill Gates, John Doerr and Steve Case believed in the Internet long before Wall Street did. Now, they're betting on the next great "disruptive" technology: alternative fuels and other environmentally friendly products, but this time other investors aren't far behind.

Last year, AOL LLC founder Case launched Revolution LLC, which has invested in companies such as car-sharing service Flexcar that promote sustainable lifestyles. In November, Microsoft Inc. founder Gates committed $84 million to a California company to finance the construction of five ethanol bio-refineries. And last month, Doerr, the venture capitalist who invested early in Google Inc. and Amazon.com Inc., set up a $100 million fund to invest in "green technology."


Banking on a Green Future
Steve Case Has invested in $500 million in Revolution LLC, which includes Flexcar, and Gaiam, a retailer of Earth-friendly products.


AES Expands Alternative Energy Business
AES Corp. yesterday said it would invest approximately $1 billion over the next three years to expand the company's alternative energy business and develop projects to reduce or offset greenhouse gas emissions.


To be sure, the investments don't make up a large proportion of their portfolios, and even with oil at $70 a barrel, alternative energy sources are still at the margins of the market. Gates, one of the world's richest men, has committed far more to developing low-cost drugs for impoverished countries. And while Case has committed around $500 million of his own money to Revolution, some of that is going to fund health care and spa investments. But just as two decades ago they saw the Internet as a way to make money and change the world, they now think green technology is poised to make a difference of its own.

"Greentech could be the largest economic opportunity of the 21st century," Doerr said in a February press release announcing that Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, the investment fund that helped underwrite many prominent tech start-ups, would raise $100 million for the green technology fund.

In addition to Case, Gates and Doerr, Sun Microsystems Inc. chief executive Scott McNealy last fall played a prominent role in a Business Roundtable task force on sustainable growth strategies.

Sun founder Vinod Khosla has started his own fund to invest in clean tech companies. And Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen is financing a Seattle company that is trying to turn canola oil into diesel fuel.

"The green, sustainability movement is going mainstream," Case told The Washington Post last year, and "we want to ride that wave."

"Clean technology" in particular is a small but growing area of investment that has attracted tech billionaires. Before 1999, those businesses attracted less than 1 percent of venture capital investment. In the past two years, that has risen to between 5 and 8 percent, said Diana Propper de Callejon, general partner at Expansion Capital Partners LLC, which manages money for wealthy families.

By 2009, the Cleantech Venture Network estimates that clean technology companies will need about $3.4 billion in capital investment, said Craig Cuddeback, the network's senior vice president.

In some ways, having made their fortunes, Internet pioneers are just like other wealthy individuals looking to park their money somewhere. Unlike the early days of the dot.com boom, these entrepreneurs already have company in clean tech investing, including pension funds, investment adviser Piper Jaffray, country singer Willie Nelson, and Richard Branson, founder of the Virgin family of businesses.

High oil prices alone are not the reason for the spike in interest. Low corn prices and technological advances have made ethanol a potentially cost-effective alternative to fossil fuels, said Elif Acar, an energy analyst with Standard & Poor's. An energy bill that passed Congress last year has also accelerated the adoption of ethanol by forcing oil companies to eliminate a popular gasoline additive, and it mandates that more biofuel be mixed with gasoline.

There are some parallels between clean tech and the early days of the Internet, Propper de Callejon said. It is starting from a relatively small base, driven by technological innovation and underinvested relative to the size of the potential market.

In the case of Sun Microsystems, the company became interested in energy conservation because of the increasing electricity demands of more powerful computers. Sun Microsystems began to overhaul its servers to use less power after customers said energy costs were rising, said company spokeswoman Stephanie Hess.

Case, who has invested in a diverse range of businesses that promote sustainable lifestyles, is part of a larger trend in socially responsible investing, said David Berge, president of Underdog Ventures LLC. Until recently, so-called socially conscious investors have emphasized where they don't want their money to go, such as tobacco or companies doing business with South Africa during apartheid.

"Today, more people who have the ability to make choices are leaning toward affirmative streams," Berge said. Clients come to him and ask, "What could you do for us for environmental investing?"

The impact of tech dollars is being felt already. Until recently, the ethanol industry has been the province of large agribusinesses and farmer cooperatives. Today, Neil Koehler, who relied on one angel investor to finance his first ethanol company, took his latest venture public and received financing from Gates.

Gates's involvement in Pacific Ethanol "has helped propel our public position," Koehler said.

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quote:
Originally posted by MillerTIME:
Sometimes us here on allstocks seem to live in a bubble because the way the forum is setup and we cannot seem to feel the entire market sectors that are hot.

Well, for those of you who currently do not know, the Ethanol markets on all, NYSE, NAZ, OTCBB, Pink, you name it, the stocks are hot. Everything is running huge, and Jim Cramer is calling the Ethanol market the new dot.com stocks.

Im not saying buy here into these stocks because they are up HUGE HUGE HUGE currently. What i am saying is these are the stocks to watch/trade/flip/scalp throughout the day because of the major moves, both up and rarely down.

INSQ,VRDM,IESV,GSHF. I know there are others that i am forgetting. Like i guess NDOL, AMHD and others. List the ones i forget.

But the point im trying to get at is that these are monster stocks currently and are having orchesterated buying from bigger market forces. ie. outside firms.
These stocks are not running because of penny traders, the dollar volume is to massive and the runs are too steady.

Do not buy at the top, but read the charts and the market sentiment, and buy when the time is right and even just sell once you get a good 10%. Boom, just scalp the stocks and say thanks to Ethanol - the new gas.

Bill Gates has put $84 M of his own money into Pacific Ethanol and rumor is that the Nat. Goverment is going to take a more proactive roll in getting the Ethanol Infrastructure up and rolling accross the US.

Good luck to all, and many of you probably already know this, but could prove to be very helpful to others.

This thread is open to all the thoughts on ethanol and the many thoughts and topics about ethanol and ethanol related stocks that i have left out. Thanks.

MT's right. Bottom line is there aren't many ethanol companies to even invest in. So surely if the ethanol business proves to hold years long, then an investment in 3-5 of those companies is sure to bring good returns.
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VRDM more ethanol news this morning. Receives order from South Africa

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