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If you think Kerry will win I think all the Stem Cell research stocks will explode! Bush is against most of it but Kerry is not and will probably dramaticly increase funding to them!
Stem Cell research will be huge in the future!! Better buy now while they are low!
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What exactly is stem cells, never really got into the subject. I know it is either in eggs or an aborted embryo.
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quote:Originally posted by Hey!You!Yeah!You!: What exactly is stem cells, never really got into the subject. I know it is either in eggs or an aborted embryo.
It's research growing stem cells. I think it should be legal no matter WHO wins.
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The questionably unethical area of stem cell research involves taking cells from an aborted fetus. This is why it is a major issue for most "conservative" voters whos social views tend to be pro-life.
--jne
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http://www.stemcellresearch.org/stemcellreport/index.html Some info... I think the president made the right move for our time. I am not saying that this type of research should never be allowed. I am saying it is a slipery slope. There are so many aspects of this type of research that need to be known before it can be practiced on a large scale. So many great things can come from this, and so many bad. Slowing the process of this fields growth will only allow more to be understood. You have to learn to walk before you can run. JMVHO.
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Do you have stock in any of these companies know and if so what are the names of these companies.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: lots of DISinformation here....
are any of the conservatives against fertility assistance clinics?
what are we supposed to do with all of the fertilized eggs that have been stored cryogenically at feritility clincis??????
this is where stem cells come from......
they don't come from abortions.
Glass:
Those who are opposed to abortion are not opposed to the destruction of a "fetus" within the womb. They are opposed to the destruction of the "fetus", whether it be in the womb or in a petri dish. To limit the term "abortion" to the destruction of a fertilized embryo WITHIN the womb may not be in contradiction with Webster, but it is splitting a pretty fine hair.
P.S. Does human life begin at conception, birth, or upon completion of one's first profitable stock trade? If it is the latter, than I am in trouble...
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I really don't want to get into to large a discussion about when life begins. That decision is to be decided by every person on their own time, whether right or wrong they are allowed their opinion. I do however want to offer this picture and warn that is might not be suitable for some. The picture is of a 21 week old fetus who grabbed the doctors finger, while in sugury.
Anyway, I thought that picture makes a strong statment. Is that a viable human life or not...Whatever decision anyone makes on this topic is their own to live with wether they think it right or wrong. The point I am trying to make is that there are people who are or have argued that at that point it is not a human life. Who is to truly say when life begins or ends.
I truly do understand the value of this type of research, however the ethical and moral issues that are involved leave a paradox of situations. The slope is slippery, and it must be handled with great caution and care.
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it's probably time for this to go to the OFF TOPICS Thread.....
cuz it has realy just become another campaign debate....
i fully agree that abortion is WRONG..... i don't think anybody says it's right...
you have not addressed my POINT tho....
if you go to a ferility clinic(where the empryonic cells come from) they will fertilize DOZENS if not hundreds of eggs.....
they will implant several until reasonable goals are acheived..... this leaves thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of embryos in liquid nitorgen....
i don't hear ANY devbate over the STATUS of embryos created in vitro....
it is IMPOSSIBLE to break these issues down into simple soundbites....
i find it disturbing that if you bomb a women's health clinic, or assassinate a DOCTOR you are not considered a TERRORIST....
if you think the country is divided now, just sart TRYING to repeal women's rights again.... this is nothing.....
BTW if you DD STEM, you will find that they are using other than embryonic stem cells( as far as i can tell) i don't work there....
it might interest you to know that stem cells, by definition have yet to differentiate into specific types of cells. the research that NEEDS to be done, is to learn how they do become different types of cells....once that is learned, it is not only possible, it is likely we won't need to use embryos. gaining this knowledge will help us to understand creation just a little bit better
however, the conundrum still remains.....
are those embryos stored in liquid nitrogen destroyed lives already? do we destroy them or do we leave them in limbo/ or do we implant them, and if so where?
it's not easy dealing with 21st century science is it. implying that the scientists that have spent their lives dedicated to this research are not qualified to be ethical is hubrous--
esp. by somebody eager and willing to drop bombs on innocent people, and who seeks funding every year to develop MORE nucUlar weapons(even tho we have several treaties agreeing not to)
no, it isn't easy being ethical at all.....
liberal or conservative.....
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Its funny when someone says no one is FOR abortion then turns around and defines it as a woman's right rather than killing a fetus. When you whine about all these so called innocent people having atomic bombs dropped on them (which has not happened in 60 years} just think of it as the bomb droppers right to choose
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why are you pretending to be so stupid? i didn't say dropping nukes on people--i said BOMBS--you know--smart bombs---- on innocent women and children...DUH....
Bush has requested funding EVERY year he has been in office to develop NEW nukes.... a clear violation of several treaties.... still think he is a great defender of the innocent???
it get's even more interesting for those of you that support Bush cuz of his "conservative" views.....if you understand how NIH funding works you will realise that if NIH funds something, they maintain some control overthe research itself AND how the PRODUCTS of the research are used... but stem cell research is LEGAL, and since we don't fund it thru the NIH, all of it is UNREGULATABLE.....feeling any more follish yet?? or do want more?
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The UK draws the line at 14days, within which the stem cells are extracted,the eggs destroyed.All research is moving offshore.Great Britain draws a line but Bush sees everything as black or white, "you're either with us or against us!" He does'nt even know the existing lines of stem cells have been injected into mice and are contaminated.
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of the 60 or so lines he approved very few have any research value......
For Immediate Release Office of the Press Secretary August 9, 2001
Fact Sheet Embryonic Stem Cell Research August 9, 2001
"As a result of private research, more than 60 genetically diverse stem cell lines already exist" I have concluded that we should allow federal funds to be used for research on these existing stem cell lines " where the life and death decision has already been made", This allows us to explore the promise and potential of stem cell research" without crossing a fundamental moral line by providing taxpayer funding that would sanction or encourage further destruction of human embryos that have at least the potential for life." -- George W. Bush
also from the white house....
The creation of embryonic stem cells. To create embryonic stem cells for research, a "stem cell line" must be created from the inner cell mass of a week-old embryo. If they are cultured properly, embryonic stem cells can grow and divide indefinitely. A stem cell line is a mass of cells descended from the original, sharing its genetic characteristics. Batches of cells can then be separated from the cell line and distributed to researchers.
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Oh boy you really got me man I feel stupid. What about those innocent people in Bosnia that were bombed under your hero Bill Clinton or the 80 innocent people in Waco that Janet Reno murdered. I bet you were not carrying on like this about innocent deaths when your commie friend was in office
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I do not understand what you mean when you say evaporation of our rights. What rights have we lost? No ATF busting down my door or anyone else's. Bush has not allowed any gun control laws whatsoever I have not seen any attacks on our own people such as Waco, Ruby Ridge or Gordon Kaw with Bush as we saw with Clinton. Obviously some of the privacy rights may have to go I mean we are facing an enemy that has every intention of killing us all. Keep in mind one terrorist with a small nuke and you can kiss your rights freedom and life goodbye. The main difference I see is Bush is a capitolist and Kerry very much a socialist if we take this country down the road to socialism there is no going back we will become a nation of people dependent on the govt for everything from healthcare to a paycheck.
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i find it astounding that you think Kerry is a socialist....LOL
he is married to one of the wealthiest women on the planet, and he is a socialist??
and you wonder why i am giving you a hard time?????
if you knew how many important scientific research projsects are going unfunded, you would be furious as i am with all of the socialism/capitolism bickering going on beteween the parties..... scientific research requires INVESTMENTS that don't return for years and years, yet they make the changes that really do matter..... the Apollo mission is a perfect example... do you know how many people said that it was a waste of money and the money should have been spent on food for the poor?????
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Ok have you heard Kerry speak have you followed his record. His wife IS a socialist also keep in mind she did nothing to be worth millions she married her money as did Kerry. You think a socialist has to be poor? Look how socialist took over Russia class warfare, class envy, govt healthcare, they took over with the full support of the working class. All of these issues are being pushed by Kerry and he has the full support of the mindless union people. Keep in mind Lenin and Stalin were not poor
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the USSR was a CLEPTOCRACY..... it was not a socialist or communist republic.....(not even a republic)
this is why i am trying to break the labels...
Bush has never worked either....he has, by his own admission, gotten where he is by catering to his base.... i believe he calls his TRUE base the "have mores"...
GHW Bush WORKED and Reagan WORKED...
we all wish to become part of the "have mores".... that's not a bad thing.... the question is how do you become a "have more" isn't it?????
i WORK for it.....
there are so many EXCUSES being made for why things are the way they are that it's disgusting.... for instance, Carter's failure's are really due to Watergate, which paralysed this country for 5 years and allowed the OPEC crisis to happen... everybody is so busy pointing fingers and blaming somebody else that the problems just keep getting worse, and WORSE and WORSE
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You do know what ussr stood for right I beileve the word socialist is in there somewhere right? The comparrisons between what Kerry is doing and what the Bolshevics did cannot be denied except of course the murders of the royal family
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if you think that's funny, maybe you should read the rise and fall of the third reich too....
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And what would that have to do with anything? More innocent killed in Communist Russia than Hitler could have ever dreamed.
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