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an interesting article with a little different twist.


Robert Lanza, M.D. Become a fan
Scientist, theoretician and author, 'Biocentrism'


Why the Earth Will Never Be Invaded


Posted: 03/17/2015 12:25 pm EDT Updated: 45 minutes ago


Why haven't the Borg invaded the Earth yet? I have watched every episode of Star Trek, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise, and myriad movies where the Earth is invaded by aliens. I love science fiction. But it is only fiction and will remain so.

Many people, including renowned scientist Stephen Hawking, are also concerned about extraterrestrials invading the Earth. "To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational," said Hawking "I imagine they might exist in massive ships... looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach."

Last week, late-night talk show host Jimmy Kimmel asked President Obama about Area 51 and UFOs; and just last May, two top astronomers told Congress that it would be "bizarre if we are alone" and asked for continued funding to detect extraterrestrial life. If you extrapolate "there are a trillion planets in the galaxy," said Seth Shostak, an astronomer at the SETI Institute "That's a lot of places for life." Dan Werthimer, director of the SETI Research Center added "It would be a cramped mind that didn't wonder what other life is out there."

So where is ET? Since the 1960s, Soviet scientists, NASA and others have been searching the cosmos for signs of intelligent life. Scientists estimate the universe contains more than 100 billion galaxies (our own Milky Way alone is home to around 300 billion stars). According to the late Carl Sagan, there should be about a septillion -- 1 followed by 24 zeros -- planets capable of supporting life. Surely, in this lapse of suns, advanced life would have evolved somewhere if life and consciousness were just random accidents. Yet despite half-a-century of scanning the sky, astronomers have failed to find any evidence of life, which our radio telescopes should be able to easily detect.

Scientists note that extraterrestrials should have had enough time to have colonized the entire galaxy. Did they blow themselves up or is the problem more fundamental? In a recent Wall Street Journal editorial, Eric Metaxas wrote, "What happened? As our knowledge of the universe increased, it became clear that there were far more factors necessary for life than Sagan supposed. His two parameters grew to 10 and then 20 and then 50, and so the number of potentially life-supporting planets decreased accordingly. The number dropped to a few thousand planets and kept on plummeting... As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldn't be here."

Yet, here we are on this warm little planet at just the right time in the history of the universe: The molten earth has cooled, but it's not too cold. And it's not too hot; the sun hasn't expanded enough to melt the Earth's surface with its searing gas yet. Even setting aside the issue of being here and now, the chance of random physical laws and events leading to this point borders on a statistical impossibility.

A scientific theory, biocentrism, provides the explanation -- and predicts we're alone. Although evolution does a terrific job of helping us understand the past, it fails to capture the driving force. It needs to add the observer to the equation. Indeed, "When we measure something we are forcing an undetermined, undefined world to assume an experimental value," said Nobel physicist Niels Bohr "We are not 'measuring' the world, we are creating it."

Cosmologists propose that the universe was until recently a lifeless collection of particles bouncing against each other. It's presented as a watch that somehow wound itself up, and that will unwind in a semi-predictable way. But they have ignored a critical component of the cosmos because they don't know what to do with it. This component, consciousness, is an utter mystery. How did inert, random bits of matter ever morph into Obama or Lady Gaga?

To understand what's going on requires an understanding of how the observer, our presence, plays a role. According to the current paradigm, the universe and the laws of nature just popped into existence out of nothingness. From the Big Bang until the present time, we've been incredibly lucky. This good fortune started from the moment of creation; if the Big Bang had been one-part-in-a-million more powerful, the universe would have rushed out too fast for galaxies to have developed. There are over 200 physical parameters like this that could have any value but happen to be exactly right for us to be here. Change any of them and life never existed.

But our luck didn't stop there. Without a massive planet like Jupiter nearby (to draw away asteroids), a thousand times more asteroids would strike Earth, potentially producing a blast of heat, followed by years of dust that would freeze or starve us to death. Nearby stars could go supernova, their energy sterilizing the Earth with radiation. These are just a couple of things (out of millions) that could go wrong.

The odds of us existing, concluded Metaxas, "are so heart-stoppingly astronomical that the notion that it all "just happened" defies common sense. It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row."

Loaded dice? It all makes sense if you assume it's us, the observer, who create space and time. Consider everything you see around you. You can't see through the cranium. In fact, everything you experience is a whirl of information occurring in your head. Space and time are the mind's tools for putting it all together.

In their book, The Grand Design, theoretical physicists Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow stated: "There is no way to remove the observer -- us -- from our perceptions of the world ... In classical physics, the past is assumed to exist as a definite series of events, but according to quantum physics, the past, like the future, is indefinite and exists only as a spectrum of possibilities."

We -- the observer -- are the first cause, the vital force that collapses the cascade of past spatio-temporal events we call evolution.

I recently bought a 3D television to watch Avatar and have watched it three times. There may well be a universe where a habitable moon like Pandora really exists, and where extraterrestrial beings like the Na'vi live in harmony with nature. The good news is that -- in such a biocentric universe -- there wouldn't be any humans to invade their world.

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So that's why. I thought we'd never be invaded because we're a planet full of chitheads with nothing to offer.
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I have to side with Upside here, Ray.

Don't feel bad though I'm sure you'll be right about something.. at least once.

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I don't feel bad at all I don't have an opinion one way or another. It is the first time I have ever heard anybody have an explanation about no company for us,

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Nah there's plenty of explanations. All of which are pure uneducated speculation. We simply do not have the scope of awareness to even begin to decipher the riddle.

We have finally attained the ability to send small bubbles only slightly away from our pebble. We're far from masters of the solar system, let alone the galaxy or universe...

So while I enjoy the utter pessimism of the article you posted, I also reject any notions it furthers as pure uneducated blather.

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you are more exposed to this sort of thing than me. Mostly I have all the hype for the life all over the universe.

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As Upside said, we are jerks, filthy,greedy etc. etc. Until we clean up our act, we will remain in exile.(Prison Planet)
This notion that reality is created by the observer being presented by some of our so-called "greatest minds" is a perfect example of why we are exiled.

It's true that our abilities to perceive determines what reality looks like to us, but to propose that reality is dependent on the observer is the ultimate Hubrus, and by itslef proves that we have nothing to offer the rest of the Universes inhabitants. It's the same sort of thinking that said the Earth was the center of the Universe.
Until we can actually step outside ourselves and recognise that we are dependent on the Universe and not vice-versa we will remain exiled.

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I don't believe all of what you said glass. I think a race from outer space that could come here would understand us. Simply because we all develop in the same way and go through the same paths of development all of it pushed forward by greed. If anything they would try to help us.
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quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
I don't believe all of what you said glass. I think a race from outer space that could come here would understand us. Simply because we all develop in the same way and go through the same paths of development all of it pushed forward by greed. If anything they would try to help us.

maybe they are helping us but we are so damn egocentic we can't even see it? [Wink]


This article is a little technical (ok alot) but the writer does make alot of effort to communicate the concepts in more common language than the rest of the molecular biology community.

The origin of life is not answered here, but some important questions as to how it happened are here. Of course the answers to those questions leads to more questions etc. etc.

One popular solution to the origin of life conundrum is the RNA world hypothesis. In our world, RNA (mostly) just “reads” genetic information, transferring it from DNA storage to the protein machines that do the work of life. But RNA can also store information, and a few RNAs (so-called ribozymes) can take the place of proteins as enzymes that catalyze reactions. So maybe in the beginning, life was a much simpler system with RNA doing everything.

http://epigenie.com/newly-evolved-ribozyme-is-proof-of-principle-for-the-origin- of-life/?hvid=5t6sQL

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BTW? i'm not claiming to be an innocent here, i am more egocntric than i should be too.

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"When we measure something we are forcing an undetermined, undefined world to assume an experimental value," said Nobel physicist Niels Bohr "We are not 'measuring' the world, we are creating it."

that statement is proof of ultimate egocentricity (hubrus).

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here's the proof of Neils Bohrs (Noble prize Winnner) egocentricity and why he was complete a-hole..

suppose i am on a planet 67 million light years away from earth. I build a telescope powerful enough to examine planet earth. I look and i see Tyranosuras Rex running around earth and creating general mayhem.Because i can only see the light that traveled 67 million years to get to me.That's the upper Cretaceous Period, 68 to 66 million years ago. How in hell can i claim to have created T. rex? HUH? fork Neihls Bohr (and all o his stupid followers) he set back our understanding of the universe by decades and maybe even millenia....

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don't mind me i'm just mad as hell cuz the Saints traded j=Jimmy Graham to the Seahawks [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
I don't believe all of what you said glass. I think a race from outer space that could come here would understand us. Simply because we all develop in the same way and go through the same paths of development all of it pushed forward by greed. If anything they would try to help us.

You're making the mistake of assuming all intelligent life evolves the same way under the same stimuli.

As I was trying to describe earlier, we have no current ability to know anything about what else there is out there in the universe.

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quote:
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don't mind me i'm just mad as hell cuz the Saints traded j=Jimmy Graham to the Seahawks [Big Grin]

Haha, get your paper bag ready pal.

The Saints will live off of that one superbowl for another decade before they try to win another.

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yeah but it's fun to watch Drew breez play... he's a scrapper. He could have taken a paycut and get sacked less....

i don' bet on football i watch it for the audacity and i like good offense. The seahawks have great defense but i don't really enjoy watching great defense that much. I like to see them air it out and i like to watch screen plays unfold.... That was what Breez and the Saints did well... They need a whole new offensive playbook now because everybody knows what play they are going to before they do...

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posted by relentless


You're making the mistake of assuming all intelligent life evolves the same way under the same stimuli.

As I was trying to describe earlier, we have no current ability to know anything about what else there is out there in the universe.
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I beg to differ material assets make social development.

every society goes through hunter gatherer , agriculture . industrial , and with it certain character traits come with each one. That we know of.

no society can jump from a hunter gatherer to manufacturing cars a society has to go through the steps if it is from another planet or our own.

Now some society out there might be a couple of billion years older than ours. They would be like gods to us. And maybe it would be their wish not to talk to us but to observe us.

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that's a fair assumption ray.

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We are on the verge of self-directed evolution and we have only sent probes to our nearest planet. The technology to re-create ourselves to live in space for decades is not at hand, but if we continue with steady progress, we'll be able to in less than a hundred years. The anti-monsanto/anti-gmo movement is setting us back (alot) but it is more likely that the "people" we eventually send into space to explore outside our solar system will be very differnt from us. Both mentally and physically.

Just the last thousand years on earth? Would we even be able to relate to people living 1000 yrs ago? 2 thousand? Our whole values have changed. try to sit int he Rome Senate and declare that slavery is wrong? You wouldn't make it ten feet without a dozen stab wounds...

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in defense of relentless. there's a few strange species on earth that if they were able to evlolve without us humans might make it to intersteller space. Insects? they have been around a couple hundred million years longer than us, but they have most of what they need except for one thing. They need more oxygen than we do becuase they don't have the same kinds of blood and circulatroy system. If earht had gone to 28% O2 and stayed there? They probably would have made it. How would that bee? Try dealing with a friggin fire ant coomunity on an ant-hill that can fly between galaxies....
beyond comprehension and recognition to me... They use chemicals to communicate with each other.

octopus? smart animals. they are candidates given a few changes to the environmetla variables. They needed to get out of water of course and that's tricky.. They use light to communicate... incomprehensible to us.

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quote:
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posted by relentless


You're making the mistake of assuming all intelligent life evolves the same way under the same stimuli.

As I was trying to describe earlier, we have no current ability to know anything about what else there is out there in the universe.
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I beg to differ material assets make social development.

every society goes through hunter gatherer , agriculture . industrial , and with it certain character traits come with each one. That we know of.

no society can jump from a hunter gatherer to manufacturing cars a society has to go through the steps if it is from another planet or our own.

Now some society out there might be a couple of billion years older than ours. They would be like gods to us. And maybe it would be their wish not to talk to us but to observe us.

I think odds are in favor of intelligent life developing in the manner you describe. However, you/we are basing the theory on our limited knowledge of one species. Just one. And our awareness of the entirety of that species' existence is largely unknown.

Which leads right into my overall point. We are in no position to think we know anything about how life evolves throughout the universe or even what life evolves.

Can we assume a silicon based life form would follow the hunter gatherer path of evolution? How could we possibly know?

What is this theory based on?

My point exactly.

We don't know
We can't know, at this point.

As you said originally, I might be more exposed to this sort of conversation than you, what with my adoration of conspiracy bs.

What I can tell you is the realm of UFO conspiracy has turned into almost a religion. Based on faith more than evidence. Much like the global warming crowd has. Very much the same as the bigfoot hunter crowd.

Very rarely is any science applied to the idea anymore than is needed, by the believer, to support his emotionally driven theory.

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Our situation gives us guidance on why we may not be aware of contact even if/when it is/has been made.

Histroically,very few 'first contact' scenarios go well on earth. It's not just social issues either. It's estimated that w hen Colombus landed on hispanola there were probably about 100 million humans living on norht and south america. 90% of them died without ever meeting a European.Small pox and other Euro diseases (maybe even influenza) wiped them out within a couple of years.
Archeologists and paleontologists are figuring out that we homo sapiens definitely shared earth with neanderthals and at least two other humanoid species. Many more humanoid species existed (alongside or before us) that didn't make it.

The proliferation of "first contact" movies in pop culture is a possible sign that we humans are being prepared psychologically to deal with "first contact".

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Ha, That's a brilliant point.

Do we really want first contact with an alien species? You don't know sick until you get a cold from Alpha Centari.

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That is a good point glass. I say different morality for a different stage of development . It was necessary for us humans to act that way because there was not enough to share. Now that we have an abundance do we really act like that?

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We, the ordinary folk do not.

Gubment however is still very primitive in it's actions... Well ours is anyways..

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Something to think about is we evolved in the way we did out of want for food.

Is it possible for a society to evolve without that as it's prime need? Is it possible that there's life out there which does not need sustenance?

Does life need to be based on carbon? What are the implications of being based on another element?

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quote:
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Something to think about is we evolved in the way we did out of want for food.

Is it possible for a society to evolve without that as it's prime need? Is it possible that there's life out there which does not need sustenance?

Does life need to be based on carbon? What are the implications of being based on another element?

there is small chance that photosynthetic beings could evolve intelligence. There's a huge difference between the way plants (photosynthesisers) produce proteins and the amino acids they are built from and the way animals do. In general animals can't produce the basic amino acids like plants can. (This is why roundup is mostly safe for animals. Roundup is a "fake" amino acid)Theoretically it would take alot longer to evolve an "intelligent photosynthesiser" or plant but and this is a really big but, there could be any number of environmetal variables on different planets that can trigger faster evolution and most importantly one unique catalysing protein could randomly pop up by pure luck and cut any conceivable amount of time off of theevolutionary development. We have only had 4 billion out of an estimated 14 billions years (since co-called big bang) for earth-life to evolve.
I think our chances of developing intellect were pretty small until we did.

Then there's the likelihood that an intelligent lifeform could build a machinelife based on carbon and possibly (but not likely) silicon that satisfies the basic requirements to define life (response to stimuli, respiration and reproduction). as we look deeper and deeper into cell function at the molecule level, the fucntions of a cell begin to look more and more like tiny molecular machinery. The physical shapes of the molecules matter, they even describe alot of the transcription machinery (converts DNA to RNA which then builds proteins) with hand names - palm finger thumb etc.... because of the way they act and look

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Heres' another way to get photsynthetic animals faster, keep in mind that current theory is theat our energy comes from our mitochondria which we "enslved" symbiotically a long time ago:

http://umich.uloop.com/news/view.php/77109/4-incredible-photosynthetic-animals

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Oriental Hornet - Vespa orientalis
Pea Aphid - Acyrthosiphon pisum

Spotted Salamander - Ambystoma maculatum

The spotted salamander is similar to the sea-slug in that in order to be partially photosynthetic, it maintains a symbiotic relationship with algae cells. While it has long been known that a relationship existed between the salamander and the algae, it was presumed to be a relationship in which both organisms worked separately. However, when researcher Ryan Kerney was studying a batch of spotted salamander embryos, he found a bright green color coming from inside their cells.

The chloroplasts were found near the mitochondria within the salamander’s cells, meaning that the mitochondria were likely directly consuming the oxygen and carbohydrates that are created through photosynthesis. The most amazing part about this relationship is that all vertebrates have strong immune systems that tend to destroy any foreign material found within their cells. Although the reason for this is unknown, this makes the spotted salamander the first vertebrates to be discovered to have the ability to photosynthesize.

Sea Slug - Elysia chlorotica

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BTW? i been reading this magazine since i was in Jr high. I was lucky enough to get access to a collection that went all the way back tot eh very early fifties when i was in HS. I have susbcritpion now and still read it today. It is almost entirely fiction but it is usually written by experts in their feilds. I highly recommend it. It's enterataining, fresh, fairly priced and well edited..

https://www.analogsf.com/2015_04/index.shtml

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6 AUG 2015



If humankind is ever going to get off this rock we call Earth, we’ll have to find a way of dealing with cosmic radiation – the high-energy particles speeding through open space that have been found to be harmful when we’re not protected by our planet’s atmosphere.

Fortunately, scientists at CERN have announced they are working on a solution to this very problem. In collaboration with the European Space Radiation Superconducting Shield (SR2S) project, CERN is developing a superconducting magnetic shield that can protect a spacecraft and its occupants from cosmic rays during deep-space missions."

http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-are-developing-a-magnetic-shield-to-prote ct-astronauts-from-cosmic-radiation

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