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Why Kids Are Crossing The Desert Alone To Get To America

By Esther Yu-Hsi Lee on July 2, 2014 at 3:37 pm


"Why Kids Are Crossing The Desert Alone To Get To America"


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About 52,000 unaccompanied children from Latin America have been apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border since October 2013 with the possibility of another 38,000 arriving by the end of this year. Much of the focus has been on the factors that are pulling these children into the United States like permanent immigration relief, a misperception that some Republicans are eager to stoke in order to extinguish any chances of immigration reform. But less of the spotlight has been on factors like gang violence, enduring poverty, and drug trafficking that are pushing children, some as young as three years old, to make the 1,500+ mile journey to the United States from El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala, the three Central American countries that make up the so-called Northern Triangle.

A recent Congressional Research Services report found that in 2009, Mexican unaccompanied minors accounted for 82 percent of unaccompanied apprehensions, while Central American unaccompanied minors accounted for 17 percent. But in 2014, “the proportions had almost reversed” — Central American unaccompanied minors comprised 73 percent, while Mexican unaccompanied minors comprised 25 percent.

Unaccompanied children — many of whom are female and under the age of 13 — have been fleeing these Central American countries in large numbers since 2009, but they aren’t just fleeing to the United States. Total asylum requests to Mexico, Belize, Panama, and Nicaragua have increased 712 percent.

The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) agency found that of 404 children who had left Latin America, at least 58 percent of the children cited “international protection needs,” as in they were seeking protection from the international community because their home governments could no longer protect them. And a 2012 Vera Institute report found that at least 40 percent of apprehended children are eligible for some form of legal relief from removal.

Root causes vary from country to country, but a recent U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency infographic that details the origin points of 35,000 child migrants apprehended between October 1 and May 14, 2014 stated that “many Guatemalan children come from rural areas, indicating that they are probably seeking economic opportunities in the US. Salvadoran and Honduran children, on the other hand, come from extremely violent regions where they probably perceive the risk of traveling alone to the US preferable to remaining at home.” Here are some of the conditions in these three countries that shed light on why children are fleeing to the United States:






Honduras

Background. Days after a 2009 military coup seized a pajama-clad President Manuel Zelaya and shipped him off to Costa Rica, Colombian drug trafficking gangs diverted their illegal weapons and drug trade routes through Honduras and “turned it into the principal handover point for cocaine to Mexican cartels,” InSight Crime reported. Honduras is cursed as a drug transit route for the South American countries that produce drugs and the North American countries that consume the products. About three-quarters of all U.S.-bound cocaine pass through the country.

Homicide. Known as the murder capital of the world, there are an estimated 85 to 91 killings per 100,000 people, the World Health Organization reported. In comparison, the United States has an estimated five killings per 100,000 people. Honduras’ murder rate averaged about 19 murders each day in 2013. Since 2005, murders of women and girls have increased 346 percent while murders of men and boys have increased 292 percent, the Washington Office on Latin America reported earlier this month. Almost one in every 360 males aged 15 and 29 are victims of intentional homicide. According to recent Customs and Border Patrol data, officials apprehended a huge majority of children fleeing from San Pedro Sula — arguably the world’s most violent city — where there is an average of three murders a day. The second most common origin point from which children are fleeing is Honduras’ capital of Tegucigalpa. The Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agency apprehended 15,027 unaccompanied children from Honduras between October 2013 and June 15, 2014.

Poverty. Two out of three Hondurans live in poverty and only a quarter of children complete middle school. Even the government needed to borrow $100 million to pay its employees, the Associated Press reported. A 2012 U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime report found that drug trafficking accounts for about 13 percent of the country’s gross domestic product, so many people rely on the drug cartels for jobs.

Corruption. A Congressional Research Service study found that 75 percent of Hondurans “report having little or no confidence in the police force.” The country’s National Police Chief, General Juan Carlos Bonilla, has been accused of operating “death squads” and ordering the kidnapping of gang members. In fact, a State Department human rights report issued in March found that “hundreds of officers who failed background checks were still on the job,” according to the New York Times.

Gang violence. The country is plagued by the Mara Salvatrucha and Barrio 18 gangs, which in March 2012 called for a truce to commit zero violence and zero street crime. The truce was momentarily effective, but short-lived. Honduras’ population is young and susceptible to forced gang initiation, since 40 percent of residents are under the age of 15. What’s more, urban gangs coerce young males to transport drugs, a 2012 State Department report found.

A 16-year-old teenager recently told a Washington state television affiliate that he decided to flee violence in his native Honduras because he watched a gang member beat up and kill his grandfather. The teenager told reporter Maria Guerrero that he specifically fled to the United States because his mother, a woman he had not seen for 14 years, was living in the United States.

El Salvador

Background. When a civil war tore apart El Salvador between 1980 and 1992, many fled to the United States. As a result, the two million Salvadorans living in the United States are now the third-largest Latino group in the country behind Mexicans and Puerto Ricans. Salvadorans in the United States have very strong ties to Salvadorans back home.

Elizabeth Kennedy, a Fulbright researcher based in El Salvador, said that assault, disappearance, extortion, and rape are at all-time highs, while homicide rates are “higher today” than during the civil war.

Homicide. With one-fifth the land mass of Guatemala, El Salvador regularly holds the title of No. 2 murder rate for countries not at war, and boasts one of the highest levels of non-political violence. Sixty-eight percent of homicide victims are between the ages of 15 and 34 and nine out of ten victims are male, according to a 2011 Wilson Center report. The peace truce between rival gangs that affected Honduras also led to a drop in homicides from more than 4,000 in 2011 in El Salvador to about 2,500 over the past two years.

Nick Phillips, a print journalist based in Central America, said on a Wilson Center-sponsored conference call on Monday that citizen security has gotten worse, despite the fact that large parts are “functioning normally on a day to day basis.” He cited a poll of 300 people conducted last May by the University of Central America, which found that 71.3 percent of people felt that crime had gone up. Phillips qualified, “official crime statistics aren’t reliable since crime is under-reported because people don’t trust the police.”

Gang violence. Kennedy found that 60 percent of 322 child respondents she interviewed are fleeing gangs (also known as maras). “Of the 322 minors I interviewed, 145 have at least one gang in their neighborhood, and about half of these live in a contested gang territory,” she wrote in an American Immigration Council report released Tuesday.

Two of El Salvador’s largest gangs — Mara Salvatrucha (MS13) and 18th St — target adolescent boys for gang recruitment and beat them when they do not join. Gangs also target adolescent girls to become “girlfriends” and threaten or rape them when girls refuse. One mother fled with her two daughters to the United States because she wanted them to have a chance to “become women.”

Recent CBP agency data stated that more than 11,436 unaccompanied children have been apprehended at the southern border during the 2014 fiscal year through June 15. Phillips explained that Salvadorans hearing from U.S. relatives that they can “stick around the states for a while. They might not know that they’re just getting permission to stay while their immigration [proceedings] are pending, but for all intents and purposes, they can stick around with their families for a while.”

He added that an El Salvadoran official in charge of receiving deportees over the past 2.5 years has “received practically no Salvadoran kids from the United States. At the same time, Mexico is bussing more Salvadoran kids all the time.”

Guatemala

Background. The country’s 36 year civil war, between 1960 and 1996, had a lasting impact on Guatemala’s current problems, with a “whole generation” of men being taught that rape is a “generalized and systemic practice carried out by state agents as a counterinsurgency strategy” and a “true weapon of terror,” the Council on Hemispheric Affairs reported. Extrajudicial execution, genocide against the indigenous Mayan groups, and forced disappearance also became the norm. At the same time, “Colombian drug lords controlled the northbound pipeline for contraband but Guatemalan and Mexican traffickers later took over,” the Los Angeles Times said. And the grinding poverty and severe inequality is still a lingering result of Spanish colonialism when large land plots were given to colonizers. At least 12,670 unaccompanied children from the country were caught at the southern border.

Homicide and rape. Although homicides dropped last year, 759 women were still murdered, with at least 522 from firearms, 70 from stabbings, 156 from asphyxiation, and 11 from decapitation or dismemberment. In 2008 alone, more than 6,000 people were killed, mostly due to the drug trade. And in 2012, Guatemala reported an average of 99.5 murders per week.

The country has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in the region, partially due to the influence of the Catholic Church’s ban on contraceptive use, but also because the criminal justice system barely investigates statutory rape. Last year, at least 61,000 girls between 10 and 19 became pregnant. And in 2011, there were 3,046 births among children between 10 and 14.

“Pregnancy in an underage girl is the product of statutory rape, so logically there should be an equal number of court prosecutions under way, but this is not so,” Mirna Montenegro of the Sexual and Reproductive Health Observatory said.

Gang violence. Much of Northern Guatemala is controlled by the Mexican Zetas cartel, which was formed in the 1990s by former Mexican special forces. Since Mexico’s crackdown on drugs, the Zetas have moved southbound into Guatemala, but that has only enhanced competition between drug cartels. What’s more, Mike McDonald, a Reuters reporter based in Guatamala City said last week to an NPR affiliate that urban street gangs run elaborate extortion schemes on local businesses, bus drivers, and taxi drivers.

Poverty. About 75 percent of the population live below the poverty line. Despite a national social program that aims to improve nutrition, chronic under-nutrition affects at least half of the nation’s municipalities. The World Bank reported that “only 2.5 percent of Guatemala’s farms control 65 percent of the agricultural land, while 88 percent of the farms control only 16 percent of the land.” As a result, villages like San Jose Calderas are “emptying” because there are few farming jobs and fewer jobs in construction.

Political response

Still, American politicians on both sides have responded harshly to the growing population of children at the border. House Republicans have held three hearings attempting to blame the influx of unaccompanied children on President Obama’s supposed lax immigration enforcement policies. House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) suggested sending National Guard troops to act on “immediate and aggressive action.” And the White House has been moving quickly on an “aggressive deterrence strategy focused on the removal and repatriation of recent border crossers,” a White House official told the Los Angeles Times over the weekend. The administration will ask Congress after the Fourth of July recess to approve $2 billion in emergency funds in order to fast-track the deportation proceedings of unaccompanied children.

“Do not send your children to the borders,” Obama recently warned. “If they do make it, they’ll get sent back.”

The Obama administration previously committed a $250 million aid package to help with the successful repatriation of children once they are returned to Central America. The aid package includes efforts to combat gangs, help at-risk youth who are susceptible to gang recruitment, and improve citizen security in the Northern Triangle.

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Those are valid reasons, but the fact is this administration sent the green light signal that all they had to do was get here.

Why were they not flooding here under Bush? Yes, Bush signed a bill for the children who make it here but that was for sex trafficking issues.

Now we have third world diseases coming up here and our military bases are becoming refugee camps.


Tell me Ray, why is this administration not allowing border patrol or health workers to speak with the media? Why are busloads of these people being dumped all over the country without the local mayors being told? This is a serious crisis and you just play the political talking points the WH feeds its sheep media outlets.

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cash your reasoning is about as valid as the Roman senators that blamed emperor Valens for the immigration of Goths into the Roman Empire.

The Roman senate would not face the problems either. Just like the congress men of the gop today.

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uh, both of you are making excuses for your own people AGAIN.

this is not how you fix problems.

the cartels are the one behinds this. they tell the people down there whatever they want to make the deal. The fools are paying a small fortune to get here. And ray, kids are not crossing ht edeserts alone, they are being abondoned by Coyotes at eh border... big differnce...
The only way we can stop this is by having public service announcements in Spanish on all the media centers down there.
Like right now during the world cup-
a planeload of kids on the tarmac at thier airports in the news will do more than all the talk in the world..

the cartels love this, they keep us busy with the humanityarian crisis while they run contraband to their hearts content. Standard Art of War stuff...

all warfare is deception and you two both are being decieved by teh poilitical parties you blinldy support. almost all the time.

we cannot keep taking illegals. it is not fair to people who come here honestly. furthermore all this is really doing is robbing the coutnries of origin of the people who should be building their own coutnries, not ours...

we already allow more legal immigration here than all the rest of the world combined, and yet we have major unemployment and underemployment problems and will have them for the next twenty years in the best possible case scenarios... until the Chinese change their whole way of doing business? Our labor can't compete on cost-basis.

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glass and cash you two sound like the yellow lard asses that sent the ST. Louis back to where it came from when it was trying to bring 938 Jewish refugees to America to escape the fascist in Europe. They knew landing in America was there last hope. Instead they were sent packing back to where they came from and most had to face the ovens. every body else was afraid of the Germans including us. Good luck to you guys. There argument was exactly the same as yours now,

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here you go glass writing letters and making announcements is an idea that is being done. I am sure a letter just scares the piss right out of them and those criminals will just run away.


CREDIT: CBP.gov

On Wednesday, the Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agency launched an ad campaign in three Central American countries aimed at dissuading child refugees from making the trek into the United States. The Dangers Awareness campaign includes radio, television, and billboard ads that warn parents and children about the dangers of the journey and hope to send the universal message that children are unable to stay in the country. The ads will run in Central America’s Northern Triangle — Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala, through September.

As of mid-June, the CBP agency has apprehended more than 52,000 children at the border, with a large majority of the flow stemming from Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala. In recent times, all three countries have experienced increased gang violence and poverty.

The Spanish-language ads include messages like, “The journey is too dangerous;” “Children will not get legal papers if they make it;” and “They are the future—let’s protect them.” Radio ads for each of the three Central American countries warn listeners that children will be caught and that they will likely also encounter dangers like coyotes, or smugglers, on their journey north. The agency will also work with stakeholders in Central America and in the U.S., like local governments, faith-based organizations, other non-governmental organizations and the news media, “to encourage them to continue communicating these messages with their constituencies.”

CBP Commissioner R. Gil Kerlikowske stated in a press release that the administration hopes “to address the conditions in Central America that are spurring the migration and ways that we can together assure faster, secure repatriation of these children and families.”

For its part, the Obama administration is focused on deporting children as quickly as possible. Obama will soon ask Congress to approve emergency funds in order to expedite the immigration process and to increase the number of immigration judges to process deportation cases. And his administration is also looking to change a 2008 human trafficking law that would likely expedite deportations as well. On top of that, President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Secretary of State John Kerry, and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson have all warned that children will be sent back to their countries.

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quote:
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glass and cash you two sound like the yellow lard asses that sent the ST. Louis back to where it came from when it was trying to bring 938 Jewish refugees to America to escape the fascist in Europe. They knew landing in America was there last hope. Instead they were sent packing back to where they came from and most had to face the ovens. every body else was afraid of the Germans including us. Good luck to you guys. There argument was exactly the same as yours now,

that's pathetic ray. you should be ashamed of yourself for making comparison like e that;

MMIGRATION TO THE UNITED STATES IN THE ERA OF THE HOLOCAUST

US State Department policies made it very difficult for refugees to obtain entry visas. Despite the ongoing persecution of Jews in Germany, the State Department's attitude was influenced by the economic hardships of the Depression, which intensified grassroots antisemitism, isolationism, and xenophobia. The number of entry visas was further limited by the Department's inflexible application of a restrictive Immigration Law passed by the US Congress in 1924. Beginning in 1940, the United States further limited immigration by ordering American consuls abroad to delay visa approvals on national security grounds.

Nevertheless in 1939 and 1940, slightly more than half of all immigrants to the United States were Jewish, most of them refugees from Europe. In 1941, 45% of all immigrants to the United States were Jewish. After the United States entered the war in December 1941, the trickle of immigration virtually dried up, just at the time that the Nazi regime began systematically to murder the Jews of Europe. Despite many obstacles, however, more than 200,000 Jews found refuge in the United States from 1933 to 1945, most of them before the end of 1941.


.there is no ethnic cleansing going on in Central America and if there was they would be given asylum....
i'm sure the cartels apreciate your support because they get paid as much as th eleagl immigrants pay to come here and it's tax free. then they dump them a the border so our tax dollars (that we are borrowing) can pay the rest of their costs.

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BTW ray, there was ethnic cleansing going on Guatemala while Clinton was in office and he did almost nothing- in fact? the US Govt was found to be deeply involved in supporting the perpetrators of the ethnic cleansing, however, Clinton himslef may have been totally unaware of the projects being run down there because they were created under Reagan who was oblivious and Bush the First who defintiley knew everything that was going on down there.... follow the money

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So what its not a nice world I agree. ask the people on the ST. Louis

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Ray, i'm not going to excuse the behavior surrounding the St. Louis. but the history on that is just not simple. The main reason they were rejected was because it was very very high-profile and if they had been allowed entry into Miami after being rejected by havanna, the flood-gates would have opened probably world-wide. You have to remeber that it wasn't until the Americans finally invaded and got to the concentration camps the full holocaust story came out.

I wonder if you leave your doors unlocked and your fridge open to anyone who wanders by? I don't think so. If you knew how tight the job market really is even for highly educated people i think you'd freak out.
Every one of the 950,000 or so legal immigrant we allow in the US every single year must have a job. Employers are actively recruiting foreigners only because they are cheaper.Way cheaper, like 30 to 50 % cheaper, and much more compliant as employees. It's the Plantation mentality all over again. Having a Phd makes it worse because those are th epeople that are actually allowed in. And people form places like China? They do not question authority in any way shape or form for at least fifteen years or so. It's a cultural thing they can't break out of easily.

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the only reason we have a porous border with Mexico is money. The folks in DC led by the US Senate are nothing more than war profiteers. War on drugs? hah! it's a war on everyone who isn't paying "tribute" to the DC machine. Every kid at the border takes up several hndred man-hours that would be stopping the unsanctioned drug importers (cartels).

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nice try glass you are trying to excuse what happened to the ST. Louis by bring up all the good things we did.

What you are doing is saying its ok if I murdered one person today because I saved a babies life ten years ago.

Also it was our congress that made the border and conditions between us and Mexico. Largely to the advantage of the slave owning land barons of the day.

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quote:
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nice try glass you are trying to excuse what happened to the ST. Louis by bring up all the good things we did.

What you are doing is saying its ok if I murdered one person today because I saved a babies life ten years ago.

Also it was our congress that made the border and conditions between us and Mexico. Largely to the advantage of the slave owning land barons of the day.

no i was not bringing up the "good" things we did. read it again. we only allowed a couple hundred thousand Jews in teh country before the holocaust.
My best friend since childhood was Jewish ( he passed couple years ago)I am fully aware of how bad things have been in htis coutnry whne it comes to xenophobia racism etc. Fact is? open border policies are not the solution and never have been. We couldn't even entr the WW2 politcally until Japan screwed up and bombed Pearl. If you go back and do some real research instead of all this political posturing and Kabuchi theatre? You will find that the Nazi's had one hellofalot of American support until Pearl.... After teh troops discovered the ovens in the concentrations camps the history books were rewritten. We were going to stand by and watch even Britain fall to them before Pearl. The concentration cams wer called "work camps" before the invasion uncovered th etruth.
Most Amercians don't want to face th truths of our existence. We wern't even a significant world power until WW2. We were founded by slavers, pirates and Smugglers... all inconveninet truths about our real history.
You are even ignoring Obama's stance on htis situation which is that these children cannot keep coming here. So your precious Obama would have snet he St Louis home too by your own reasoning.. maybe you should get a medication check?

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some perspective on "concentration camps" and the general global attitude prior to Aushwitz- Also ask yourself whether we should have helped britain avoid the same fate? The American people in general were not motivated to do so prior to Pearl.
The term "concentration camp" was used to describe camps operated by the British in South Africa during this conflict, and the term grew in prominence during this period.

The camps had originally been set up by the British army as "refugee camps" to provide refuge for civilian families who had been forced to abandon their homes for whatever reason related to the war. However, when Kitchener succeeded Roberts as commander-in-chief in South Africa on 29 November 1900, the British army introduced new tactics in an attempt to break the guerrilla campaign and the influx of civilians grew dramatically as a result. Kitchener initiated plans to

flush out guerrillas in a series of systematic drives, organised like a sporting shoot, with success defined in a weekly 'bag' of killed, captured and wounded, and to sweep the country bare of everything that could give sustenance to the guerrillas, including women and children ... It was the clearance of civilians—uprooting a whole nation—that would come to dominate the last phase of the war.[46]

Lizzie van Zyl, visited by Emily Hobhouse in a British concentration camp

As Boer farms were destroyed by the British under their "Scorched Earth" policy—including the systematic destruction of crops and slaughtering of livestock, the burning down of homesteads and farms, and the poisoning of wells and salting of fields—to prevent the Boers from resupplying from a home base many tens of thousands of women and children were forcibly moved into the concentration camps. This was not the first appearance of internment camps. The Spanish had used internment in the Ten Years' War that led to the Spanish-American War, and the United States had used them to devastate guerrilla forces during the Philippine-American War. But the Boer War concentration camp system was the first time that a whole nation had been systematically targeted, and the first in which some whole regions had been depopulated.


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The British were almost as bad to the Boers as were the Germans were to the Jews. It is very unwise to get between the elites money and your living. And never forget a man with a fine education can be the most terrible creature on earth.

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You are even ignoring Obama's stance on htis situation which is that these children cannot keep coming here. So your precious Obama would have snet he St Louis home too

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My precious Obama will do what is right in the end. Right now its you and your situation ethics that I am worried about.

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in the end? got news for you- it's already too late how on earth are we supposed to provide total life care to 70,000 kids when doing so will bring another 200,000 in?
have you actaully checked to see how the kids get across Mexico? the system moving htem is highly organised and charges alot of money.

Maybe we should just give them Detroit to rebuild and see how they do?

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quote:
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have you actaully checked to see how the kids get across Mexico?

Glass, you're talking to raybo... He hasn't checked sht.

Nothing but regurgitations from the bowels of CNN.

[More Crap]

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i'm pretty sure he's a died in the wool MSNBC person....

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Yup.
He's been trying for years to get past the rigors of kindergarten final exams.. But just can't.

Look, coloring and sht is tough stuff.. That whole don't poop where you sit? Who can figure that out? It's like a quantum rubik's cube.

It's not his fault. Clearly the teacher had it in for him.

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Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. - Engrved on Statue of Liberty"


Read more: http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/8116#ixzz37TXOxg7I

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Staute of Liberty;
it was dedicated in 1886. President Grover Cleveland, the former New York governor, presided over the event. he also presided of the surrender of Geronimo. Congress passed the General Allotment, or Dawes, Act – an attempt at assimilating the Indians. Reservations were to be divided into tracts of land, 160 acres per family. Indians were made citizens, with the right to sell their land. The South was passing the segregation laws....

give me? we "import" 950,000 legal immigrants per year ray. last i checked that equaled the whole rest of the world combined.
we have lived up to that and much much more already. there is a line and when people cut in front of me? i usually ask them to observe common decency. The situation in Central America can be fixed, but this is not how oto do it. In fact, it is making things much worse. the Cartels love you rsupport of this project, they are making about 5,000 dollars per kid and much more by diverting our manpower awya from the stupid war on drugs

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and oh yea the US population was only about 55 million then....

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so what glass. Just thought I would bring it up.

If you want to get tough about it go for it, nothing is keeping you home , head for the border bring your weapons and become a legend.

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this info is a little dated ray, but it's from a group that is fighting very hard to open the borders, so i tend to beleive their stats;

The smuggling fee for unauthorized Central Americanimmigrants is currently between $7,000 and $10,000. [31] In 2010, there were an estimated 1.5million unauthorized immigrants from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras residing in the U.S. [32] The smuggling fee for an unauthorized Chinese immigrant is about $75,000 [33] and thereabout 130,000 [34] unauthorized Chinese immigrants in the U.S. as of 2010. The most recently compiled averages in 2005 show that Asian unauthorized immigrants pay $26,041 to come to America, Europeans pay $6,389, and Africans pay $2,200. [35] Unauthorized smuggled migrants from Central and South America pay a lower price than Asians because the distance is shorter,

http://openborders.info/coyote-fees/

BTW ray? i've crossed the borders down there over 100 times. i have seen it all with my own eyes. i know what the problem is. there is no middle class. it really is that simple.

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well I guess we can change all our policies with which ever the way the wind blows. That seems to be they way you like it, of course that is unless it is some thing you don't want to change then it makes no difference what any body else wants.

BTW I agree with a lot of what you just posted even Obama just turned back the first 40 women and there kids.

Just one thing to add it is this country's addiction to drugs that is causing most of the problems also it can be said the same for the sex trade. We are still so rich we have enough disposable money to support these disgusting vices.

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Yes, all those Guatemalan children are coming here because Americans are getting high and having sex all the time....

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quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
well I guess we can change all our policies with which ever the way the wind blows. That seems to be they way you like it, of course that is unless it is some thing you don't want to change then it makes no difference what any body else wants.

BTW I agree with a lot of what you just posted even Obama just turned back the first 40 women and there kids.

Just one thing to add it is this country's addiction to drugs that is causing most of the problems also it can be said the same for the sex trade. We are still so rich we have enough disposable money to support these disgusting vices.

addiction? drugs are part of the human condition and have been since we became "human". It's our holier than thou and fundamentally racist drug policies that are doing this.

for starters? when the Statue of Liberty was dedicated? There were no drug laws either. Constituionaly there is no basis for controlling any drug. They contrived thier reasons to do so The native Americans in Central and South America practiced many religions that used "drug" sacraments. All banned by the Europeans upon their arrival.
I don't know th eanswer to the drug problem. I do know that the tow longest wars the USA has been in created the biggest drug problems the world has seen. The Nam and Afghanistan both became opium havens. I suspect (for good reason) that a large portion of the federal black ops system is funded by drug menoey. The proliferation of "contractors" in Afghanistan should be of great concern, but nobody cares.
I don't see how we can legalise crap like Meth and Opiates. They are truly dangerous, but most of the rest can be dealt with as health issues.

it might interset you know that the highest risk of person becomeing drug dependant falls to health care profesionals.. they are have double the percapita rate to the highest levels of any of the ehtnic groups. native american Indians (especially of the Pacific Norhtwest) have the highest ehtnic rates of chemical dependancies. I suspect prostitutes may have have higher rate than doctors but since that too is ridiculously banned, ther eis no way to know.

it has always amazed me how elitist liberals become so non-humanitarian when it comes to the drug problem.... i see it as just as much of humanitarian crisis as the border problem and they are inextricably linked to each other. Drug problems are human problems, and it isn't drugs that are the problem. it is people and they are ill and need professional care.Mental and often physical.
follow the money my friend... you will see it all leads back to a very small group of people and most of them are on K street in DC...

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Are you sure your not on drugs yourself.

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Sex and drugs are disgusting vices? What's next? Rock and roll?
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quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
Are you sure your not on drugs yourself.

shhhesh ray... you send me a cup and i'll pee in it for you... [BadOne]

but if you think our drug policy in this coutnry is not racist then you were not paying attention to who is in jail ..

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It's like trying to argue with a 13 year old girl.
Why bother?

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It's like trying to argue with a 13 year old girl.
Why bother?
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I disagree...attempting to reason with Raybo is far more difficult than with a 13 year old girl

A waste of time...YEP

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