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No, Conservatives, America Isn’t A Christian Nation: The Rise Of Religious Diversity
By Ruy Teixeira, Guest Blogger on Mar 19, 2013 at 12:17 pm
In conservatives’ preferred vision of America, we are a white Christian nation. And it is true that in the not too far distant past, we were, at least in numerical terms, an overwhelmingly white Christian nation. In 1944, 80 percent of adults were white Christians. But things have changed a lot since then. Today only about 52 percent of adults are white Christians. By 2024, that figure will be down to 45 percent. That means that by the election of 2016, the United States will have ceased to be a white Christian nation. Looking even farther down the road, by 2040 white Christians will be only around 35 percent of the population and conservative white Christians, who have been such a critical part of the GOP base, only about a third of that—a minority within a minority.
Part of this of course is the inexorable march of race-ethnic change. The white share of the population is declining at a rate of about a half percentage point a year and is expected to continue to do so for the next several decades. But the other part of the shift away from white Christians is less well-understood: the rise of religious diversity.
There are two components to the rise of religious diversity: (1) increasing numbers of Americans who practice a non-Christian faith; and (2) increasing numbers of Americans who are secular or unaffiliated with any religion. A recent Pew report sheds light on these important trends.
The Pew report aggregates data from their surveys between 2007 and 2012. They found that those of non-Christian faiths have gone up from 4 to 6 percent over the time period, while those who are religiously unaffiliated have gone from 15 to nearly 20 percent of adults. This is an astonishing rate of change, particularly for the unaffiliated who, according to some projections, were only supposed to hit 20 percent around the middle of the next decade. This group’s growth is clearly way ahead of expectations.
Part of the reason for this rapid growth is generational. Pew’s study notes that, among the youngest Millennial adults—those born 1990-1994, over a third (34 percent) have no religious affiliation.
There are significant social and political implications to these trends. Pew and other data consistently show how liberal the unaffiliated are, particularly on social issues. And they vote that way: in the 2012 exit poll, the unaffiliated supported Obama over Romney, 70-26. In addition, those of non-Christian faiths supported Obama by 72-27. To add to conservatives’ woes, their strongest group, white evangelical protestants (78-21 Romney) actually declined by 2 percentage points in the 2007-2012 time period.
Even conservatives should be able to do the math. It’s time to give up on America as a white Christian nation and fully embrace its diversity–race-ethnic and religious.
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Well we are also heavy Catholic with all the Mexicans coming across the border. Those families are more conservative than anything, but dems want to make it seem like they are big lib supporters.
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hipanics are not white and you are wrong about them and there conservative view.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: hipanics are not white and you are wrong about them and there conservative view.
by definition? a Hispanic person is not a member of any race ray. I'm not even sure waht it means to be "conservative" or "liberal" anymore either...
the definition of a Hispanic person is a person who speak Spanish as their primary language but i snot from Spain. Therfore, native Americans who learn Spanish as their primary language are Hispanic evn if they were born in the USA. As are "white" folks who grow up in Mexico and speak Spanish. Native Amricans who do not speak Sapnish as their primary language but live in Spanish speaking countries are NOT Hispanic. Neither are any Brazilians no matter the color of their skin since they speak Portagee.... if you look at why Spain is dominated by peoples that have no blue -eyed recessive gene? all you have to do is look at a map to see why they were invaded so often... the Americas were settled from both the Norht and the South. And form the east and the west..
almost all racism is based in insecurity ray, once everyone realises that? we can make some progress. the roots of it are from Tribalism, which had the effect of "casting out" odd people... 40,000 years ago? you got blue eyes? you're a witch... must leave the tribe... get it? i'm not making excuses for anyone BTW. only offering some logical rationale to human condition that only hurting us today.
interestingly enough? diversity could only be acheived thru this 'casting out" system.... in India they have had a caste system (get it casting out- caste) mostly forever. the difference is that in India they were pretty much isloated land wise, so cast-outs had to stay put unless they were sea farers and there were quite few of them, but many more just stayed put..
what does diversity offer us as opposed to homogeneity? alot. Jazz, salsa, samba, lambada, Bach, tchaikovsky, Heavy Metal.... the Chin absorbed other cultures just as America has....
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Glass 60% of all Mexicans are Mestizo 9% are Eouropian the rest are all others
That is how the Mexican Goverment declares the population break down. All mostly have a hispanic culture.
If all racism is based on insecurity I say bull sht.
It is thru my historical understanding it is based on financial profit. And the state misinformation machine that justifies slavery for the ruling elite that profits from slavery itself.
After a long enough period of time all the misinformation that is produced from all areas of society is started to be condisderd truth. The American south is a prime example of this. The reason it can be studied is it was confined to a region and they lost the civil war.
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The data on race were derived from answers to the question on race that was asked of individuals in the United States. The Census Bureau collects racial data in accordance with guidelines provided by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and these data are based on self-identification.
The racial categories included in the census questionnaire generally reflect a social definition of race recognized in this country and not an attempt to define race biologically, anthropologically, or genetically. In addition, it is recognized that the categories of the race item include racial and national origin or sociocultural groups. People may choose to report more than one race to indicate their racial mixture, such as “American Indian” and “White.” People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be of any race.
OMB requires five minimum categories: White, Black or African American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.
quote:Originally posted by raybond: Glass 60% of all Mexicans are Mestizo 9% are Eouropian the rest are all others
That is how the Mexican Goverment declares the population break down. All mostly have a hispanic culture.
If all racism is based on insecurity I say bull sht.
It is thru my historical understanding it is based on financial profit. And the state misinformation machine that justifies slavery for the ruling elite that profits from slavery itself.
After a long enough period of time all the misinformation that is produced from all areas of society is started to be condisderd truth. The American south is a prime example of this. The reason it can be studied is it was confined to a region and they lost the civil war.
i technically qualify as mestiza as does my wife. so what? we also carry the blue-eyed allele- but i cannot legally call myself hispanic- the ruling elite was way smaller than people think, too. the cheapets slave cost as much as a very expensive house did....
have you ever looked up what Apache means in Zuni? Tribalism. It's the roots of it all..
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Of course you cannot call youself hispanic glass you were not borne in a spanish speaking country.
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Hispanic (Spanish: hispano, hispánico; Portuguese: hispânico, hispano, Catalan: hispŕ, hispŕnic)[1][2] is an ethnonym that denotes a relationship to Spain or, in some definitions, to ancient Hispania, which comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the modern states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the British Crown Dependency of Gibraltar. Today, organizations in the United States use the term to refer to persons with a historical and cultural relationship either with Spain and Portugal or only with Spain, regardless of race.[3][4] However, in the eyes of the US Census Bureau, Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, or any country of origin.[5][6]
The term is more broadly used to refer to the culture, peoples, or nations with a historical link to Spain, especially those countries which were once colonized by Spain, particularly the countries of Latin America which were colonized by Spain. The Hispanic culture is a set of customs, traditions, beliefs and art forms (music, literature, dress, architecture, cuisine or others) which are generally shared by peoples in Hispanic regions, but which can vary considerably from one country or territory to another. The Spanish and Portuguese cultures are the main cultural element shared by Hispanic peoples.
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so Brazilains are Hispanic too? that i did not know...
Portuguese is very differnt from Spanish....
i guess all i'm tryig to say ray is that there is differnece between betwen cultural bigotry and racism...
i love experiencing differnt cultures, their foods, music, arts and attitudes etc... i enjoy learning about their old myths too...
it always seem to me that if you look for comparisons? you always find more in common that you do differnt... but i admit that i have to be trying to find those commonalitites... many do not, i beleive that is mostly out of fear and "hatred" is invented form that fear...
there a dozens of different kinds of soy sauce (not just la choy and Kikkoman) , they cab be as differnt as miller lite and guinness xtra stout are.... i try new ones regularly... the Phillipines? i ate some foods there that i never would have tried if i hadn't sen others eating them first. there is one i won't eat again tho-- balut. i tried one, and it tasted like crab, but i didn't like the way the little bones crunched....
i get what you are saying about economic reasons for racism, but i honestly believe that those are just greedy people who are looking for any excuse to justify their greediness... and they exploit the insecurities of others to make those justifications... just being white doesn't make you member of the "old boys club" bleive me...
i am in the minority by 2 to one where i live now, and things still do need to get alot better here in the MS delta...
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ever had escamole? they actually taste good. i also use agave nectar regularly, (what the escamoles eat)
lutefisk? had that too.. nashty, i bet Upside knows wht it is... i was introduced to it by an uncle from minnesota.
pickled eel... not too bad once get past the skin..
raw octopuss? delicous, if you like shrimp or crab or both? you'll like tako
i've eaten all kinds of sashimi, but not Fugu, i will try it one day when i am ready risk dying... but i'm no ther yet...
i like Viet fish sauce on fried rice, but you have to get past the smell first, i will not eat teh swedish version, surstromming which is sorto f the same thing but you eat the chunks instead of just the juice that drips off
it's all good, and variety is the spice of life...
i'm not THIS adventurous tho:
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there a dozens of different kinds of soy sauce (not just la choy and Kikkoman) , they cab be as differnt as miller lite and guinness xtra stout are
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there a dozens of different kinds of soy sauce (not just la choy and Kikkoman) , they cab be as differnt as miller lite and guinness xtra stout are -------------------------------------------------
There is only one type of soy and teriyaki sauce, And you did get the brand right.(kikkoman) Marinate a steak in their teriyaki for 3-4 hours and you will understand why there is only one brand.
Still having trouble editing my posts as seen above in my previous post. Every time i try to edit it kicks me out and deletes part, then i can't do it again. All within a few minutes.
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i alomost bought some red rice last time i was at the asian market closest to me (125 miles!) but i passed cuz it was the only bag left, and i had never seen it before, i like black rice OK, but my favorite is three ladies thai jasmine.. they had live frogs - two pounders, (only 3 left) and i wanted to buy them and turn them loose in my koi pond but i decided not to cuz they did not look like they were from here... i didn't want to get an exotic infestation going here...
ever had red rice? is it good?
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sadly? i would beleive. they use faker chemicals on foods to trick the protein content analysts and all kinds of stuff. it's really strange to try to understand whether these people jsut don't know what they are doing or do and don't care...
using ehtylene gylcol as sweetenr? oh yeah... common- problem is that is anti-freeze and the: lethal dose in adult humans for ethylene glycol is about 100 ml (1/3 cup). Swallowing may cause nausea, vomiting or diarrhea. Excessive exposure may cause CNS effects, cardiopulmonary effects (metabolic acidosis), and kidney failure. Toxicity follows 3-stage progression. (1) involves central nervous system effects including paralysis of eye muscles, convulsions, and coma. Metabolic acidosis and cerebral swelling may also occur. (2) involves cardiopulmonary system with symptoms of hypertension, rapid heart beat, and possible cardiac failure. (3) involves severe kidney abnormalities including possible renal failure.
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