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Fox Polls On Gas Prices, And Gets Results It Doesn’t Like | Fox polled registered voters on whether they believe the claim President Obama purposely wants higher gas prices, and gets an answer it wouldn’t expect — Americans aren’t buying conservative spin. Fifty percent said that price spikes make President Barack Obama “unhappy” “because the American people will suffer from the high cost of filling their tank,” while only 31 percent said the prices make him “happy.” The poll also finds that 58 percent of Americans think the economy has turned around, while 52 percent said the the Obama administration’s rejection of a Keystone XL permit is not responsible for higher prices. Polls from Bloomberg and National Journal also show the public does not blame the president for gas prices, despite what Fox News wants them to think.


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By Rebecca Leber on Mar 16, 2012 at 9:45 am

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AP Fact Check: In 36 Years Of Data, Not A Shred Of Evidence That Drilling Reduces Gas Prices

By Rebecca Leber on Mar 21, 2012 at 3:19 pm


Experts deny that drilling brings down gas prices, despite how often Republicans claim to have the “silver bullet.” Now, the Associated Press reports that an analysis of 36 years of Energy Information Administration data shows “no statistical correlation” between domestic oil production and gas prices.

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U.S. oil production is back to the same level it was in March 2003, when gas cost $2.10 per gallon when adjusted for inflation. But that’s not what prices are now.

That’s because oil is a global commodity and U.S. production has only a tiny influence on supply. Factors far beyond the control of a nation or a president dictate the price of gasoline.

When you put the inflation-adjusted price of gas on the same chart as U.S. oil production since 1976, the numbers sometimes go in the same direction, sometimes in opposite directions. If drilling for more oil meant lower prices, the lines on the chart would consistently go in opposite directions. A basic statistical measure of correlation found no link between the two, and outside statistical experts confirmed those calculations.

Domestic oil production is at its highest level in eight years. According to the AP, if drilling dictated gas prices, they should already be at the $2 Republicans promise. However, gas prices fluctuate based on a variety of factors, including speculation and tensions in the Middle East.

These facts haven’t stopped Republicans from rallying around “drill, baby, drill.” President Barack Obama quipped last week on the GOP’s drilling fever: “I guess there’s some empty spots where we’re not drilling. We’re not at the National Mall. We’re not drilling at your house.”

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Well Ray drilling itself does not impact gasoline prices. Oil production does. With new technologies in extraction we could slash our import ratio and offset speculation.

We have a ton of natural resources in this nation we could aggressively produce while we work towards clean energy. I dont see solar and wind companies paying gargantuan amounts of money into the federal treasury daily, they only suck from the treasury.

You do know that oil produced on federal leases brings in around 87 million PER DAY in royalties, right? Dont you think that is a pretty good stimulus as opposed to blowing it on deals to "green" companies that were designed behind closed doors in this administration?

According to the MMS, annual revenues from federal onshore and offshore (OCS) mineral leases are one of the federal government’s largest sources of non-tax income. In fiscal year 2007, the most recent year for which a complete annual report is available, MMS collected $9.4 billion in oil and gas royalties. The bulk of this came from offshore production, with natural gas production generating approximately 40 percent of the offshore royalty revenue. For federal onshore lands, gas production generated over 68 percent of the over $2.6 billion in onshore royalties. The MMS also collected over $815 million in bonus bids (for new leases), rental payments (to maintain the right to develop the lease in the future), and other revenues to bring the total federal revenues collected by MMS from oil and gas leasing and production on government lands to over $10.2 billion. See the MMS website and see this page: MMS Commodity and Statistics for more information on royalties paid for oil and gas produced from federal lands.


So, take into account the huge number of jobs oil companies create and think about that one for a bit. There are a ton of families out there with hard working moms and dads in the industry. Drillers, geologists, engineers, accountants, general labor, etc.

I understand you are trained to think a certain way from places like media matters, and think progress. You should not be so closed minded to industries that you are told to dislike.


In 2006 the federal government took 25 billion dollars from citizens in the form of federal gasoline tax.

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cash, why is it that "conservatives" SUPPOSEDLY have a problem with "borrowing money" from our children, but beleive it is A-OK to burn up ALL of the oil and gas we should ALSO leave them without aggressively developing new alter-tech?

fact? computers were HEAVILY subsidised by the Govt to get where they are today.

i was there, i saw the money flow-millions of dollars for machines that cannot even compete with a cell phone today. some of them were obsolete before they were ever eeven installed [BadOne]

the "subsidies" were direct and indirect. it is time to make sure we leave our kids with energy alternatives, anf that costs alot of moeny and we have a responsibilty to our offspring to pay it. NOW!...

if you got itno a time machine today and went 100 years int to the future? i have no doubt you'd find vehicles that can get 100+ MPG, and folks would talk about the crazy "boomer ancestors" that used (wasted) a whole gallon of gas to go out and get one gallon of milk or a (part of) a half-gallon of rocky road ice cream....

seriuosly? we have a finite resource to manage for our kids and theirs, and drill baby drill is not long term planing. it's mindless drivel.

when the oils done?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLAr-WlxMZY

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cash your an idiot

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
cash, why is it that "conservatives" SUPPOSEDLY have a problem with "borrowing money" from our children, but beleive it is A-OK to burn up ALL of the oil and gas we should ALSO leave them without aggressively developing new alter-tech?

fact? computers were HEAVILY subsidised by the Govt to get where they are today.

i was there, i saw the money flow-millions of dollars for machines that cannot even compete with a cell phone today. some of them were obsolete before they were ever eeven installed [BadOne]

the "subsidies" were direct and indirect. it is time to make sure we leave our kids with energy alternatives, anf that costs alot of moeny and we have a responsibilty to our offspring to pay it. NOW!...

if you got itno a time machine today and went 100 years int to the future? i have no doubt you'd find vehicles that can get 100+ MPG, and folks would talk about the crazy "boomer ancestors" that used (wasted) a whole gallon of gas to go out and get one gallon of milk or a (part of) a half-gallon of rocky road ice cream....

seriuosly? we have a finite resource to manage for our kids and theirs, and drill baby drill is not long term planing. it's mindless drivel.

when the oils done?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLAr-WlxMZY

glass, why do you bring in things I never mention or I agree with and then use it against me. For example, thinking I believe drilling will solve our problems. It will ease pressure but not solve what we need to do and get off our oil dependency.

And ray, typical answer. I dont expect much from you except name calling and reposting of media matters articles. You never put up much in depth discussion.

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If the shoe fits wear it.

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
glass, why do you bring in things I never mention or I agree with and then use it against me.

against you?
i'm not against you cash. i am posing you a question in hopes that it will enlighten you.

drill baby drill reminds of Jim Morrison screeching "we want the world adn we want it now!"

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here's why oil and gas price traders have been holding prices so high, the butchers bill has not even been tallied yet, and ther's not enough oil in the wolrd to make this situation "right" again...

ask why aljazeera published this while the "west" has not... It's cuz there is no "left wing or right wing media" when it comes to money they are both corporate...


Down along the Gulf coast, the beaches look cleaner, the birds less tar-covered, but the longterm consequences of the BP oil spill are leaving their mark under the ocean's surface. Scientists continue to be shocked at what they're pulling up from the area around the Deepwater Horizon explosion that killed 11 and coated thousands of square miles of the Gulf of Mexico. It happened almost exactly two years ago, and as much good news as you read about the return of tourism and the spending of BP's money to help the recovery efforts, some major problems remain.

We're most concerned about the eyeless shrimp. Scott Eustis from the Gulf Restoration Network recently showed Al Jazeera English's Dahr Jamail some of those shrimp. It's easy to see what's wrong with them: They have no eyes! In other parts of the Gulf, fisherman are finding fish covered in black lesions and even dead dolphins floating in the water. Eyeless shrimp or killifish covered in oil-colored spots serve as cringeworthy reminders of how even a small amount of leftover contaminant can do huge amounts of damage to local lifeforms.

But you don't even have to eat mutant fish to be affected by the spill. A new report by the non-BP-funded Surfrider Foundation shows that humans swimming in the Gulf are soaking up the chemical that BP used to disperse the oil right after the spill. While they look normal in daylight, under a UV light, the dispersant shows up as bright white globs. (See the image from the Surfrider Foundation to the left.)


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I am not saying that this is right or wrong, but the source is AL JAZEERA for crying out loud. I could make these images in my own back yard. I could throw some tonic water, urine, etc on my legs, turn on a UV light, and claim this or that.

I have always wondered what was in those dispersants. That is why I am saying this story could be true, but then again there is a lot of manipulated propaganda out there.

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actaully cash, the source is not al jazeera... they arejust the only one rpeorting on it right now, th esources are the Fisehermen and th eprocessors and th escientists working down there

. "in my 20 years working on red snapper, looking at somewhere between 20 and 30,000 fish, I've never seen anything like this," said Jim Cowan of Louisiana State University's Department of Oceanography and Coastal Sciences.

soon you will see the rest of th emedia outlets embarassed into reporting it... i was going to take junior down there to do cleanup work until i did some reading on what the were using as the dispersant. I decided it was not worht the risk, esp to Jr but even to me... we used to fish right where the spill was the worst.. and no we haven't gone back cuz we been told somethin' ain't right by t e other fishermen...

in this case? the "cure" was literally worse than the disease. The gulf has always had some oil seepage , they are used to that down there, and there would have been an ugly mess to clean up for a couple years, but this? this can't be cleaned up...

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