Meanwhile, murders are going on across Oakland as usual, and people who really need police help are not getting it as timely because these selfish jerks want to destroy property and vandalize things. Got to love the "left" coast, they have their act together. Of course, like you all tell me, they are standing up for me. I am not their "99%", and there is nothing wrong with striving to be in the 1% because anyone can make it if they want to.
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Nancy Pelosi on Occupy Wall Street Protesters: “God bless them”
Not yet buck, not yet. Only 1 % CAN make it? Such a defeatism attitude.
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...and the brainwashing continues...the worker bees are told to work hard and you can be a multi millionaire too!! thats the american dream. thats the propaganda that you buy into, my friend. The truth is,,,work hard for the rest of your life,paying into the system that is designed to keep you down, and you may make a pretty darn good living, IF, you are lucky and things fall your way with no tragedies to derail you and yours. Now, you will say thats a defeatist attitude,,but I say its a realist attitude. You will never be in the 1%........never. Once you realize that??,,and understand why,,you will live a more honest life. You are not one of them...you are one of us....Deal with it
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Nancy Pelosi on Occupy Wall Street Protesters: “God bless them”
Not yet buck, not yet. Only 1 % CAN make it? Such a defeatism attitude.
Pelosi is one of them cash. And while i am not going to ttell you that you can't be one of them? I want to point out to you that by very definition? Only 1% can possibly be. The notion of that seems to escape you, or your statements seem to indicate that it does and that's why it's fairly easy to suggest you are not likely to become one. hard work and dedication are not enough. They never have been.
There's another factor to becoming a one percenter, it involves a willingness to make your vocation the only thing in your life. And even that won't guarantee success, just increase the odds....
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just to make point to you about how hard it is to compete in the real world?
look at this:
No-poach agreements: A new generation of restrictions
By Russell Beck at Computerworld
Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:37pm EDT
Most states allow companies and their employees to agree that, after the employment relationship ends, the employee will not compete with the employer. These agreements, referred to as "noncompete agreements," have been discussed in detail in two prior Computerworld articles: "Don't sign away your future: Noncompetes done right" and "Beyond the noncompete" .
Such agreements place significant post-employment restrictions on what type of work an employee can perform and where the employee can perform that work. Because these agreements provide a bright-line test (either the employee is competing or he's not), little, if any, investigation need be undertaken before a company can ask a court to enforce the agreement. For that reason, noncompete agreements are considered the best available tool for a company to protect its legitimate business interests (primarily, the protection of trade secrets, confidential business information and goodwill).
be aware that non-competes are common outside the computer world too...
if you take job in your vocation you often have no choice but to sign one of these, and when you do? they "own" you....
alot of the 1%ers are even owned...
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With NFL Players Behind Them, Groups Plan ‘Occupy Super Bowl’ Protests Of Indiana’s Assault On Workers
By Travis Waldron on Feb 2, 2012 at 11:40 am
Protesters march through Super Bowl Village in Indianapolis Four days before his state hosts Super Bowl XLVI, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) signed anti-union “right-to-work” legislation into law Wednesday afternoon, making Indiana the 23rd right-to-work state in the country. Daniels signed the law despite the fact that thousands of workers gathered outside the statehouse in the days leading up to the law’s passage, and despite his own apparent opposition to such a law back in 2006.
In the days since more than 10,000 protesters marched through downtown Indianapolis, union officials and other organizers have grappled with how, and if, they should make their voices heard during Super Bowl festivities. Daniels has warned opponents of the new law that disrupting the Super Bowl would give the state a “black eye.” Nevertheless, with the National Football League’s Players Association officially opposing the law, labor leaders and organizers affiliated with local Occupy groups have vowed to press on.
“If it does pass, we’ll use this, the world stage that is the Super Bowl, to spread the message that Indiana is an inhospitable place for working men and women,” Jeff Harris, Communications and Outreach Coordinator for the Indiana AFL-CIO, told ThinkProgress before the law passed. “And that the very people that built the stadium in which the Super Bowl is going to be played and the very people who built the city that is enjoying the limelight — the very people who made this possible — are being disrespected.”
The AFL-CIO will have a “constant presence” at Super Bowl events, Harris said, but its actions will be informative rather than disruptive. The union, which encouraged workers to meet with their state representatives in the days before the law passed and organized rallies outside the statehouse Wednesday, will pass out leaflets and pamphlets around Super Bowl village and Lucas Oil Stadium, the site of the game, Harris said.
UNITE HERE, a hotel workers’ union, has organized its own protest of the Hyatt hotel Friday, where several hundred workers will picket to protest low wages, missed overtime pay, and the firing of contract workers. Though its protest isn’t specifically tied to the right-to-work law, UNITE officials say the law will make their ongoing attempts to organize hotel workers harder, and other unions’ protesters will join their picket.
According to a UNITE release, DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the NFL Players Association, will participate in the protest. Smith has issued a statement and written an editorial against the right-to-work law, and several NFL players, including Indiana native and Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler, have also spoken out.
In a January interview with The Nation’s Dave Zirin, Smith, who sits on the AFL-CIO’s executive board, said that “if the issue is still percolating by the time of Super Bowl, I can promise you that the players of the National Football League and their union will be up front about what we think about this and why.” Though Smith is slated to appear at the UNITE protest, the NFLPA wouldn’t confirm if he or other officials would aide other union protests.
But Smith has made his opposition to the Indiana law clear. “We share all the same issues that the American people share,” he told Zirin. “We want decent wages. We want a fair pension. We want to be taken care of when we get hurt. We want a decent and safe working environment. So when you look at proposed legislation in a place like Indiana that wants to call it something like ‘Right to Work,’ I mean, let’s just put the hammer on the nail. It’s untrue.”
Various local Occupy groups will also take action, local organizers told ThinkProgress, to show their support for Indiana workers. And even though right-to-work is now law in Indiana, protesters have promised to keep fighting. “This is not a fight that is going to go away,” Tithi Bhattacharya, a Purdue professor and Occupy Purdue member, said of the right-to-work struggle. “In the coming days and weeks we are going to have to build this struggle on the street, in the workplace and in our communities. Super Bowl Sunday is another opportunity to make our voices heard.”
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My Grandfather (dead) was a retired "boilermaker".... Dad was one briefly (before I was born).... his brother (uncle Don) was a crane operator on the same job sites.
None of them are pro-union. I live in Georgia which is a right to work state. Honestly, there is not much in the way of a "union influence" in this part of the world if your not involved in commercial construction.
It is not my aim to try and demonize the idea of Unions in the modern world. Rather I am more interested in hearing the argument of "pro-union" people as to why "right to work" states are some how in the wrong.
Admittedly, it is not a big issue in this part of the country but it seems to be to some people that are not from places similar to GA. Something about "closed shops" seems intrensically wrong to me...but perhaps it is because I am ignorant. I have heard the argument that it allows employers to exploit workers and suppress wages.... I can't speak for everyone in every situation, but that has not really been my experience. Employers around here actually survey each other every few years to determine what the "market value" of a person of particular skill is worth. This allows them to know what is required to be an attractive employer whether it be for personnel retention or attracting new talent.
Honestly, to the lay man, it appears that collective bargaining for wages serves only to increase wages.... Higher wages do not necessarily mean a better living. Especially if the fact that massive collective bargaining also serves to increase the cost of living in and around the area and the principle of scarcity demands that it would.....more dollars chasing a static or lagging amount of goods, services, and specifically land would demand an increase in the costs associated with such things. To me, this flies in the face of the ideals that unions espouse. Supposedly unions are for the "working" man/woman.
I think that what they mean is that they are for the working man/woman that pays in to that particular union. For instance, I work in Engineering in factory. The Plant employs roughly 450 people in a town of about 3000. We are the largest employer in the county and also offer the best wages for typical high school grad or equivalent. If we unionized tomorrow and collectively bargained for higher wages... we would probably get them. Now you have a situation where over 10% of the population just got a hell of a raise. I would think that things around town would change.... property values, cost of groceries, luxery type items, etc... It is going to mirror the new influx of $$$$ in the community.
What does that do to other jobs? Gas station workers for instance. They did not get that raise, but the cost of everything around them went up. Same thing is true city employees and educators (second and third largest employers here).
By the time we pay our dues and pay more for everything in the community perhaps we are a little better off??? Perhaps not??? Those that don't or cant unionize definitley lose. Or perhaps everyone unionizes. Then we just feed off of each other as we all pass along our higher costs of operations to our customers.... which is ourselves.
Like I said.... I don't know. It really seems very hazy to try and figure out how it will shake out... but shunning communities/states or whatever that are not willing to force that particular game of rhoulette on its citizens seems a little obtuse.
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rounder, i worked in the IBEW when i first got out of the navy. I went to the hall and got assigned a job. The contractors told the union what they wanted, and the union evaluated me and my skills and provided them with what they want. It seemed like a good deal to me, but i didn't stay in the union long primarily cuz i am a self-employer and always have been.
this push to de-unionise in NOT about business.
when a union is well -run, they actually manage the personnel for the shop and that includes training and disipline. when the union is no good? it's the same as whne management is no good.
Unions are a right garanteed in the Constitution, it falls under
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
peopel are employees ad the Government and business are teh ""management"
it's that simple.
the big push to get rid of unions now is due tot eh recent SCOTUS decision;
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 08-205 (2010), 558 U.S. ––––,
it said that unions and corporations both have the right to unlimited political support of their chosen politicians.
the GOP move to dump the unions is direct move to restrcit their power and influence.
this is about power and influence, workers rights are now a casualty of that battle. we are headed to a big social clash.
Romney represents power and influence. the "thing is that IMO Romney can't fix what's wrong with the employment situation either. if he gets elected? i belevie we'll see unemployment drop because the GOP will begin to force people off of unemployment by making them take jobs way below their skill levels. This will cause all kinds of problems in the workplace, i learned long ago that nobody wants to hire someone that might be able to "take over"..... it will also cause overall household incomes to drop dramatically and that will not help the housing problem....
we are in for a long rough road no matter who is in cahrge. even if we begin to takre the "dreaded protectionist" measure that we need to take? It will still take five years for them to bear fruit, and they will have blowback just like everything does.....
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I was from a right to work state. I finished my working life in management. All I have to say is bunk to right to work states they suck add to it an illegal problem and it border lines on almost a criminal state as far as workers are concerned. even though right to work really did not apply to me in later life I still did not like it.
Indiana had a Right to work state in 1947 and it was hated by working people so much they did away with it 7 years later. All that needs to be said is people have short memmories and they will just have to go thru this process all over again.
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just have to go thru this process all over again.
yep, and in the past, there has been alot of violence associated with the process... both sides have been guilty of instigating and participating in alot of violence...
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: ...and the brainwashing continues...the worker bees are told to work hard and you can be a multi millionaire too!! thats the american dream. thats the propaganda that you buy into, my friend. The truth is,,,work hard for the rest of your life,paying into the system that is designed to keep you down, and you may make a pretty darn good living, IF, you are lucky and things fall your way with no tragedies to derail you and yours. Now, you will say thats a defeatist attitude,,but I say its a realist attitude. You will never be in the 1%........never. Once you realize that??,,and understand why,,you will live a more honest life. You are not one of them...you are one of us....Deal with it
Why would you say that someone can not be that 1%? I dont look at this 1% as some status, as people should be humble about their wealth because it could be stripped at any given time. Pride comes before fall, it is a quote from that terrible book the Bible, but makes plenty sense. I think if you are blessed with the ability and capability to create large sums of money you should devote a large portion to serving a cause greater than yourself. Why is this? Because you can gain the world and still have nothing. As to your assumption about what my personal status is, you are way off. I started with nothing, and have worked up a nice little something for myself. It IS true that ANYONE can make it. All this crybaby nonsense you always throw out there is so weak. Maybe that is why you yourself are so bitter and upset. You sound like a quitter a lot.
It is not the system, it is the person. Being in the "1%" SHOULD be a responsibility. A large one, and lets not forget a large portion of that 1%....sports players, actors, musicians, liberal movie makers such as Michael Moore, Obama, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, the Kennedys, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros, doctors, large farmers, etc.
I have never understood why the Democrat Party goes around shouting how they are for the poor when the people they associate and create law with are top 1%'s.
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quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: Cash...ask yourself these questions
If anyone can make it...
Why is it that only 1% of us have made it?
Why haven't 50% of us made it?
Why aren't the percentages more like 25%/75% or 50%/50%?
If in fact ANYONE could make it...the percentage of wealthy people would be much higher...
Also, having worked up a "nice little something for yourself" doesn't put you in the 1%
he'll figger it out in about 25-30 years....
it's funny, i've been right on the verge of becoming a 1%er several times, and i have only myself to blame for making the wrong choices... in every case, it's been personal decisions that i was confronted with, not business decisions.
Those sources showed that in 2009, the top 1% of tax payers reported $344,000 in annual income. That figure would be slightly higher because income held in tax-advantaged retirement plans or other structures wouldn’t be included. It may not sound like much on an annual basis, but to the average guy sitting at home, earning nearly $28,670 per month in reported income is a lot of money. Estimating where you fall on the income scale is easy. Net worth, on the other hand, is somewhat difficult. Where the top 1% entry level is requires a lot of math and even then, it is imperfect.
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I think the occupy movement reminds some of you of the good ol hippie counterculture days and that is why you dont see the ugliness in the violence these movements are presenting.
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"I think the occupy movement reminds some of you of the good ol hippie counterculture days and that is why you dont see the ugliness in the violence these movements are presenting." _________________________________________________
Maybe if were lucky a new set of Beatles will come along, nah only once in a lifetime for that.
Come on CashCowMoo you have to be pulling our legs.
Your just reading dialogue from the 50's and 60's, you can't be serious.
I remember hearing neighbors saying similiar things like, look at that awfull long hair etc. unless it was a flat top or butch it was long.
I use to laugh when i would hear the things said about the sixties generation.
Of course sometimes these same neighbors might have 35-40 foot of rubber laid right in front of their houses, just to give them more to talk about.
Unfortuantly many of these same young indivuals ended up getting their draft notices at later dates, so maybe the neighbors did have their revenge.
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By Travis Waldron on Feb 7, 2012 at 11:35 am
About 20 California activists surrounded a local home this weekend to prevent Freddie Mac and Chase Bank from foreclosing on the property, even amid rumors that sheriff’s deputies were coming to seize it. The Riverside, California home belongs to Arturo de los Santos, a former Marine who told Riverside’s City News Service that he fell behind on his payments when business plummeted at the factory where he’s employed.
De los Santos said he applied for a modification to his mortgage to lower his monthly costs, only to be rejected by Chase. The bank then initiated foreclosure proceedings, and a local judge granted possession to mortgage giant Freddie Mac, which guaranteed the loan, last week. That allows the local sheriff to seize the property, a situation de los Santos and the Occupiers are trying to prevent, CNS reports:
He said around 20 demonstrators are staying inside and outside the three-bedroom property.
De los Santos told CNS last week that he was prepared to get arrested to spotlight how “the bank is messing up.”
The former U.S. Marine sent a letter to Sheriff Stan Sniff explaining his circumstances and asking the county’s top law enforcement officer not to carry out an eviction.
De los Santos’ story, unfortunately, has become all too common. President Obama’s foreclosure prevention programs have fallen woefully short and Republicans in Congress refuse to take steps — such as taxing large banks to pay for further homeowner assistance — to alleviate the nation’s housing crisis. Banks and lenders, meanwhile, have made the problem worse, perpetuating fraudulent foreclosures, illegally foreclosing on military members and other homeowners, and foreclosing on homes they don’t even own.
Across the country, Occupy Our Homes has drawn attention to these problems by placing homeless families in vacant homes, disrupting foreclosure auctions, and forcing banks to renegotiate mortgage terms on properties in foreclosure. “I know because of them I am still in my home,” an Atlanta woman said of the Occupiers in December. “They got everyday people like myself involved. Everyday people contacting Chase and advocating for me, peaceful demonstrations, people calling and writing in.”
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