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I think Haley is looking to build his own personal Mississippi mafia with these guys
(CNN) -- On his last day in office, Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi signed individual executive clemency warrants for about 200 criminals. It was quite a stunt for a guy who had used his clemency power less than a dozen times throughout the previous eight years in office.
Addressing offenses committed from 1 to 51 years ago, Barbour's last-minute clemency warrants feature the usual variety of drug offenses (possession, sale, purchase, production) and the expected bit of robbery and burglary. There are a few quirky offenses: gratification of lust, conspiracy to commit vote fraud, possessing crystal meth near a church and "cyberstalking." The pardon of the older brother of former Green Bay Packer quarterback Brett Favre (deserved or not) will certainly be hard for many to stomach.
But, the overall batch is most conspicuous for the fairly large percentage of individuals who were convicted of murder, accessory to murder, aggravated assault, rape, vehicular homicide, and the like. Yes, it is one very violent crew. And it is more than reasonable to worry about the potential danger of releasing these people.
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Haley got plenty of grease on the palm for this one.
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LOL haley is all about grease. he was a lobbyist 'fore he got elected after all.... shoulda been worth about 2 million huh? 200 times 10 thousand
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The article that I read about this said that five of the pardonees were trustees assigned the governors mansion......at least Three of which were convicted murderers.
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There is nothing funny about this or about what I said. Haley is within his rights and by law. And this has been a traditional way a Gov. or president has of making money. This has gone on since the biginning.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: There is nothing funny about this or about what I said. Haley is within his rights and by law. And this has been a traditional way a Gov. or president has of making money. This has gone on since the biginning.
well, my attorney general is saying Haley botched it technically. i'm now waiting to hear the pardonees complain that they paid in "good faith" and are suing for their money back.....
there's warrants being issued for some that have disappeared...
if anybody becomes a victim of one of these guys that are now on the run, Haley should pay...
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Maybe so Glass I don't care that much anymore you would not believe some of the stuff I have seen.
I think your your Idea was right some months ago move out of missippi as soon as you are abel
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Don't know what your wife does but we got plenty of room up here Glass. Don't mind the white stuff...or that is what I would 'usually' say this time of year anyway...
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I was watching some news on Friday and they were interviewing a pardoned murderer. Anyway, he was talking about how prisoners would work at the governors mansion. The way he was talking, and the way it all sounded made me begin to think of the governors mansion being the governors plantation, and the inmates working the land being modern day slaves.
Now, in 2012 its totally different, but it IS Mississippi.
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somewhat correct analysis cash, we have county prisoners that do the landscaping at the local library where the kids come after school every day...
any of these people can walk off almost anytime. once a year one does and it makes headlines.
honestly? most of 'em are happy to be out working in the air.... the county people are mostly non-violent, lots of drug offenses and drunkenness misbehaviour, but they are out working most every day...
they wear green and white stripes, heck i've even seen e'm cleaning up old folks yards at times just cuz it needs doing... it's nothing like anywhere else i've ever lived.
There a certain acceptance of inevitability here that i just cannot stomach. If you watch or read some of the mid-20th century classics? You'll get it. Cat on a hot tin roof is right on....
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Didn't read the book. I have seen the movie....I like Paul Newman. Cool Hand Luke is a favorite of mine.
Where I live (eastern Ga), our former sheriff, now deceased, made himself rich using prisoner labor. He was also a logger and would put inmates to work in the woods. Of course that is illegal as hell and it was well known but you literally could not vote him out. It sounds strange but the criminals loved this guy and make sure he stayed sheriff. If anyone legitimately tried to challenge him for election. He would pay one of his deputies to run also just to split the vote. He was under investigation at the time of his death by the U.S. Marshals over the prisoner labor thing and also for letting a murder go.
The murderer thing was kind of interesting as I worked with the guy on a construction crew. He was an illegal alien from mexico. One Friday night he walked up to a house, rang the doorbell and when the man came to the door, Ricardo popped him right between the eyes. He was being held in county that week, due to be arraigned (sp?) the following week. That Friday, the sheriff told him to go home and be with his family for the weekend. Anybody want to venture a guess where he went instead? It was assumed Mexico, but I believe they lost his trail in Mississippi.
The same sheriff was suspected of killing his former wife. This would be the same wife that literally shot him in the azz with his own gun when she found him in bed with another woman. She was supposed to do an interview with a radio personality 60 miles away in augusta. The topic was to be the sheriff and his corruption. Found dead in hotel room after she failed to make the appointment. Papers simply said "mysterious" circumstances..... all of this about a decade old now.
You can't make this chit up!
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we just voted out our sheriff of 35 years. He was over 80 and white. The new sheriff is black. The first one in over 100 years. The odd thing is that our county is just under 30% white. This is the type of real change that electing Obama made. This is why i am for having voter ID laws that are strict and real. They will actually protect the gains that have been made. the few people over 70 that have birth certificate problems should make a big deal about them, but in the end having a proper ID is needed to conduct almost all business today and having such verifies your voter rights. "They" are always tryinng to purge voter logs here, but slowly and surely the right to vote is being gained by people who have historically been shut out, and the best way to keep it is to make sure you take the steps needed to vote, and then do it. I won't go itno all the details, but the last five years have been very intersting in how we have gotten people registered to vote that were historically denied those rights. I would proudly carry a natioanl ID card, even tho i would not want be required to present it to go down the road or cross state lines.
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the story gets even worse. they have serious paerwork issues now. i am not for pardoning murderers primarily because murder is not something you can take back and therefore does not have repentance attached in anything other than a spiritual way. That said? I am beginning to think it is cruel and unusual to pardon and unpardon people.
bizzarre......
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Miss. Supreme Court Upholds Barbour's Pardons by THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
text size A A A March 8, 2012 The Mississippi Supreme Court ruled the pardons issued by former Gov. Haley Barbour during his final days in office valid, including several that freed convicted killers.
The Republican pardoned 198 people before finishing his second term Jan. 10, including four convicted murderers and a robber who worked as inmate trusties at the Governor's Mansion. Of those pardoned, 10 were in jail at the time.
Democratic Attorney General Jim Hood challenged the pardons. Hood argued before the Supreme Court on Feb. 9 that some pardons didn't meet the requirements of the Mississippi Constitution, which says people seeking pardons must publish notices for 30 days in a newspaper.
In a 6-3 opinion, the justices wrote "we are compelled to hold that — in each of the cases before us — it fell to the governor alone to decide whether the Constitution's publication requirement was met."
The 10 people who were incarcerated when Barbour pardoned them had the most at stake. Among those, five have been held in prison on a temporary restraining order pending the outcome of Hood's legal challenge. It was not immediately clear whether they would not be released.
The other five had already been released by the time Hood persuaded a lower court judge to issue that restraining order.
At the heart of the pardon dispute was Section 124 of the Mississippi Constitution, which says "no pardon shall be granted" by the governor until the convicted felon applying for the pardon publishes notice of that application for 30 days in a newspaper in or near the county where the crime was committed.
Hood contended that if ads weren't run in daily papers every day for 30 days, or weekly newspapers once a week for five weeks, the pardons weren't valid.
Barbour, who once considered a 2012 White House run, was limited to two terms as governor. In addition to the pardons, he also granted medical release and conditional clemency to some inmates, but they weren't required to give public notice.
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good court decision. the courts basically said that they cannot interfere with executive privelege.
i still stand by my last post: i am not for pardoning murderers primarily because murder is not something you can take back and therefore does not have repentance attached in anything other than a spiritual way. That said? I am beginning to think it is cruel and unusual to pardon and unpardon people.
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How many "unpardons" have there been? I've not really heard of any. Or was that just hypothetical?
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none that i know of, but our attorney general just tried to unPardon about 200 on a technicality....
i think the notion of Executive pardons is good.. sure it's been abused, but IMO Bush should have pardoned our intel people who tortured terrorist prisoners, not pretended that we didn't torture people... that's the sor tof things that i think pardons are really for...
Barbour pardoned a few murderers, and like i said, i'm not sure murder is pardonable.. 1st degree, laying in wait, robbery murders? never...
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