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There is no way to spin this, another teachers union wanting more when there is no more. They even brought out the school kids to protest. When the kids were interviewed, they didn't even know why they were out there! The police are looking for wisconson democrat lawmakers who are now in hiding, refusing to show up for a vote like a bunch of babies. I am on my cell so I don't have a link, but I'm sure if you go to yahoo, msn, or drudge you can see how pathetic this is.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: There is no way to spin this, another teachers union wanting more when there is no more. They even brought out the school kids to protest. When the kids were interviewed, they didn't even know why they were out there! The police are looking for wisconson democrat lawmakers who are now in hiding, refusing to show up for a vote like a bunch of babies. I am on my cell so I don't have a link, but I'm sure if you go to yahoo, msn, or drudge you can see how pathetic this is.
No need for anyone to go to Yahoo, MSN, or Drudge. They can just look at your post to see how pathetic you are
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: There is no way to spin this, another teachers union wanting more when there is no more. They even brought out the school kids to protest. When the kids were interviewed, they didn't even know why they were out there! The police are looking for wisconson democrat lawmakers who are now in hiding, refusing to show up for a vote like a bunch of babies. I am on my cell so I don't have a link, but I'm sure if you go to yahoo, msn, or drudge you can see how pathetic this is.
LOL..
you know what is pathetic?
supposed TParty people wanting to "return" to the Constitution...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
i know this is a difficult concept to grasp for some people, but Unionizing as long as it is peaceful is Assembly, and, is GARANTEED as a Constitutional Right...
it's hilarious how many people cannot even read.
the Governor of Wisconsin IS REQUIRED by the US Constitution to deal with the Unions as the Unions wish him to..
the Air Traffic Controllers that Reagan Fired were denied teir Constitutioanl Rights too.
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a second opinion from me (which is worth as much as i am charging?) those "revolutions" in the mideast may be coming to a location near you very soon if the Union Busting keeps up- the Peoples real issue is not even politics, it's economics- it's about 15% plus unemployment and high poverty rates, which are coming to the US too, coutresy of the TParty and the GOP...
the economic policies they are trying to implement will crash the economy again, and this time, there is no bailout left to do, we have shot our wad, it is make it now or go into a depression, and the TParty is intent on bringing it on.
the sad truth is that we have one chance of "winning" against the Chinese Govt, and it will be by Unionising the Chinese workers, not busting the Unions in the US. Too bad most Conservatives are too stoopid to see that.
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No Pagan, THIS is pathetic. GOP party of no, and dems flee the state like cowards, AVOIDING law enforcement? hmmmm
"law enforcement officers are searching for Democratic senators boycotting a Senate vote on Gov. Scott Walker's budget-repair plan Thursday in an attempt to bring the lawmakers to the floor to allow Republicans to act on the bill.
One Democratic senator said that he believed most of the members of his caucus have gone to another state to prevent enough lawmakers from being present in the Senate to take a final vote on the controversial measure.
it's not that differnt from how the US Senate operates with it's 60 vote cloture rule...
none of it is Democratic, but it is VERY Republican.
Oh Glass, this is just great entertainment for me. Drudgereport is my equivalent of a womans "US Weekly" or Cosmo. If you think about it, in many ways it is no different than Hollywood, just a different industry. Politics and entertainment are two industries that mirror eachother well. You find entertainment and politics in both. Both with so much money they think they can do whatever they want, and both have lawbreaking running amuck with no enforcement. Money IS the root of all evil. Ever see a local politician go to DC and become a completely different person? That city is cursed man, bad juju. We got drama going on all over the place. Rahmbo looks like he may win Chicago too.
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you aren't going to be entertained when the whole country is shut down because the TParty is trying to take away peoples Constitutioanl Rights.
some things ARE most definitely entertaining, but riots are not, and the riots are coming sooner rather than later.
remember, Democracy according to our Founders was/is mob rule.. We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Democratic Republic, but the fact is the Tparty didn't get elected to cut peoples pay, they got elected as a protest, and they'll be out on their azzes next election because they are unable to read the Constitution and comprehend it. You cannot cut jobs and claim you are trying to create jobs.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: this is just great entertainment for me
you aren't going to be entertained when the whole country is shut down because the TParty is trying to take away peoples Constitutioanl Rights.
some things ARE most definitely entertaining, but riots are not, and the riots are coming sooner rather than later.
remember, Democracy according to our Founders was/is mob rule.. We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Democratic Republic, but the fact is the Tparty didn't get elected to cut peoples pay, they got elected as a protest, and they'll be out on their azzes next election because they are unable to read the Constitution and comprehend it. You cannot cut jobs and claim you are trying to create jobs.
Riots? Really? You actually believe that? Or are you just trying to make a point or be provocative? Because...there won't be riots....we all know that. A nutcase here and there of course...but no riots IMO. If you have a cogent explanation otherwise....please explain.
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This foolish gov in Wisconsin has managed to bungle the northern high speed rail line that would mean new jobs, infrastructure, and transportation for the entire Upper-Midwest, sent close to half the state's legislature into hiding so that no business at all can be accomplished at the capital, and has near on a full percentage of the state population protesting against the plan he stubbornly continues to say he will push through even though it addresses less that a tenth of the budget deficit for the state, and he took office less than a month ago.
This sounds like an effective government to you CCM? This man is an effective governor worth supporting for why now? Because he wants to cut union workers benefits up to an amount equal to 10% of their entire compensation of an income that is less than $50,000 on average and end collective bargaining for everyone except his personally chosen departments??
That's bright. Real Bright. Real discriminatory as well. Gov Walker is a moron.
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i beleive they are very likely, and are becoming more likely everyday.. am i saying i see them in my crystal ball? nope, it's batteries are dead and i am waiting on the new improved special order batteries right now ..
i'm saying the "revolution" in Egypt had riots in it... ask Lara Logan about them
people here "cheered" the Egytpians for exersizing their democratic rights.. but it was not all peaceful...
it's been about 40 years since we had them here, so it's about time again...
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: This foolish gov in Wisconsin has managed to bungle the northern high speed rail line that would mean new jobs, infrastructure, and transportation for the entire Upper-Midwest, sent close to half the state's legislature into hiding so that no business at all can be accomplished at the capital, and has near on a full percentage of the state population protesting against the plan he stubbornly continues to say he will push through even though it addresses less that a tenth of the budget deficit for the state, and he took office less than a month ago.
This sounds like an effective government to you CCM? This man is an effective governor worth supporting for why now? Because he wants to cut union workers benefits up to an amount equal to 10% of their entire compensation of an income that is less than $50,000 on average and end collective bargaining for everyone except his personally chosen departments??
That's bright. Real Bright. Real discriminatory as well. Gov Walker is a moron.
i'm with you on that BF.. this whole thing is coming to a head now, which, IMO is better than in five years..
you think Walker is creepy? you should see what Florida somehow elected, i have no idea how this could have happened:
But since they took office last month, few have gone as far in advancing campaign promises for less government and lower taxes than Florida's Tea Party-backed Governor Rick Scott.
A political newcomer, with a controversial past as chief executive of a healthcare corporation that paid a record $1.7 billion in fines for defrauding Medicare and other federal programs, Scott has taken to the job of running the fourth-largest U.S. state like a hostile takeover.
An uncompromising conservative, Scott unveiled his first budget last week at a rally attended by about 1,000 Tea Party activists in a Baptist church hall in Eustis, a town some 200 miles outside the state capital Tallahassee, where the state legislature will have to approve his proposed budget.
"Governor Scott said he wanted to present the most conservative budget in the nation," said Alan Stonecipher of the nonprofit Florida Center for Fiscal and Economic Policy.
"It certainly appears to be hugely pro-business which was his stated intention," Stonecipher added. "I would say Florida is right in the mix, or maybe leading the nation, in a movement to, in effect, eviscerate government."
Even by the standards of a state renowned for political scandals and shenanigans, 58-year-old Scott, who has emphasized that he was never charged with any crimes as CEO of the giant Columbia/HCA hospital chain, has raised eyebrows.
His declared intention to cut regulations and taxes, and a 'slash-and-burn' approach to putting Florida's financial house in order with little apparent regard for real-world implications, have prompted warnings of dire consequences.
There may be backlash against Republicans in a presidential battleground state as the new governor, who has never served in elected office before, takes budget-slashing to new heights.
yeah, this guy was CEO of corporation that paid 1.7 billion in fines for fraud against eh Federal Govt, and he got elected as Governor? what are people thinking? or are they? or is the vote still fixed?
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Oh hell yeah, I know what you are talking about Glass. Scott is one of the worst men I have ever seen a bio on. What he did with his HMO conglomerate is half of why Obamacare passed in the first place.
He is a filthy dirty man who will sacrifice anything and anyone if he sees a profit in it.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: This foolish gov in Wisconsin has managed to bungle the northern high speed rail line that would mean new jobs, infrastructure, and transportation for the entire Upper-Midwest, sent close to half the state's legislature into hiding so that no business at all can be accomplished at the capital, and has near on a full percentage of the state population protesting against the plan he stubbornly continues to say he will push through even though it addresses less that a tenth of the budget deficit for the state, and he took office less than a month ago.
This sounds like an effective government to you CCM? This man is an effective governor worth supporting for why now? Because he wants to cut union workers benefits up to an amount equal to 10% of their entire compensation of an income that is less than $50,000 on average and end collective bargaining for everyone except his personally chosen departments??
That's bright. Real Bright. Real discriminatory as well. Gov Walker is a moron.
i'm with you on that BF.. this whole thing is coming to a head now, which, IMO is better than in five years..
you think Walker is creepy? you should see what Florida somehow elected, i have no idea how this could have happened:
But since they took office last month, few have gone as far in advancing campaign promises for less government and lower taxes than Florida's Tea Party-backed Governor Rick Scott.
A political newcomer, with a controversial past as chief executive of a healthcare corporation that paid a record $1.7 billion in fines for defrauding Medicare and other federal programs, Scott has taken to the job of running the fourth-largest U.S. state like a hostile takeover.
An uncompromising conservative, Scott unveiled his first budget last week at a rally attended by about 1,000 Tea Party activists in a Baptist church hall in Eustis, a town some 200 miles outside the state capital Tallahassee, where the state legislature will have to approve his proposed budget.
"Governor Scott said he wanted to present the most conservative budget in the nation," said Alan Stonecipher of the nonprofit Florida Center for Fiscal and Economic Policy.
"It certainly appears to be hugely pro-business which was his stated intention," Stonecipher added. "I would say Florida is right in the mix, or maybe leading the nation, in a movement to, in effect, eviscerate government."
Even by the standards of a state renowned for political scandals and shenanigans, 58-year-old Scott, who has emphasized that he was never charged with any crimes as CEO of the giant Columbia/HCA hospital chain, has raised eyebrows.
His declared intention to cut regulations and taxes, and a 'slash-and-burn' approach to putting Florida's financial house in order with little apparent regard for real-world implications, have prompted warnings of dire consequences.
There may be backlash against Republicans in a presidential battleground state as the new governor, who has never served in elected office before, takes budget-slashing to new heights.
yeah, this guy was CEO of corporation that paid 1.7 billion in fines for fraud against eh Federal Govt, and he got elected as Governor? what are people thinking? or are they? or is the vote still fixed?
Wow for as someone as technical as you, I would not have expected guilt by association!
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Wow for as someone as technical as you, I would not have expected guilt by association!
guilt by association? LOL...
i assume you are saying that he was never charged, so he must be innocent?
a more realistic world view is that he was the CEO of a criminal enterprise that was run very well. Running a criminal organisation well means you make sure to select people willing to, and then pay those people well enough to fall on their sword for you.
By winning hte Governorship? He proved to those peopl that have fallen on their sword for him that it was worth it, becuase he is now in position to repay them even more.
1.7 billion dollars defrauded from the Govt is 1.7 billion tax dollars stolen from taxpayers. Yet this guy was their boss, and now he is th eboss of the whole State Government? That menas he now has direct access to all those tax dollars? And you beleive he will "do a better job"? LOL.. The flushing sound is getting louder, and the banjoes have started playing, better paddle faster.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I knew this would get huge the other day when it all first went down.
yep, the Governator sent a bill to the WI Senate on a Fri and said he wanted it passed on the next thursday.
How long did "they" debate and hold up the Federal Health Care bill? A YEAR? LOL..
for several months TParty people that appeared to have no jobs because they were all retirees were going to TownHall meetings and complaining that Obama was taking away their medicare. That was why Obamacare was not popular at first...
When you start screwing around with people that work for a living and taking what they have earned from them for real? You are going to have this.
The screwbll part is that is not even clear that Wisconsin is "broke". Walker says it is, but not everyone agrees with him
I spent alittle ltime looking up historical stuff on Gov Walker.... He's been a nut case for years...
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Well he was voted in by a majority of votes glass. You make it sound like he was illegitimately put in office.
huh? how did i make it sound like that? please show me what i said... cuz i must not be expressin myself right
Obama was put in by a majority of votes too, and he ran saying he would reform health care... And when he did it? people acted like he was not voted in to do that... yet i clearly heard him say he would...
now, the only issue i care about in this case is the notion that Unions are somehow bad.
Unions are no different from corporations or the NRA or a guild, or any other place where people come together to do something. They are Constitutionally protected, and the notion that they are "bad" is foolishness. There are bad people in all organisations.
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that was Feb 1st... interestingly? one of the biggest reasons we cannot get co's to move to the worst parts of the South is because we do not have "good schools"...
so i think you have to consider how dumb it is to offer tax breaks like we have been doing here in MS for a decade, and then cut the schools too, since that was the advantage of going to a place that used to have good schools...
we got Nissan and Toyota both to come here... and we gave them huge tax breaks, but we still have budget problems... you see? there is no study that has ever proven that tax breaks to attract business actually generate enough revenue to justify them, it's all mythological, you know, like Reality shows about the Paranormal ...
you see? business people have these children and they like to send them to nice schools, and then they like to hire people with EDEMECATION to work for them too..
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that was Feb 1st... interestingly? one of the biggest reasons we cannot get co's to move to the worst parts of the South is because we do not have "good schools"...
so i think you have to consider how dumb it is to offer tax breaks like we have been doing here in MS for a decade, and then cut the schools too, since that was the advantage of going to a place that used to have good schools...
we got Nissan and Toyota both to come here... and we gave them huge tax breaks, but we still have budget problems... you see? there is no study that has ever proven that tax breaks to attract business actually generate enough revenue to justify them, it's all mythological, you know, like Reality shows about the Paranormal ...
you see? business people have these children and they like to send them to nice schools, and then they like to hire people with EDEMECATION to work for them too..
So its up to business not getting tax incentives to decide a child's motivation to become the President of the United States? So if Nissan and Toyota were so bad, if they left tomorrow, what would all those employees do in this economy?
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So its up to business not getting tax incentives to decide a child's motivation to become the President of the United States? So if Nissan and Toyota were so bad, if they left tomorrow, what would all those employees do in this economy?
i think you missed the whole point. the EMPLOYER is Nissan, they would not have come here if MS had not PAYED them to come here. They would have gone somewhere else where people made poor choice to pay them, that was the argument to pay them.
now, the State still has the responsibility to educate the kids that are now here because their parents work at Nissan (for instance).
In other words, you cannot cut services and try to increase the burden on the system, something will give, as in collapse-fall-down-go-boom.
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the other point is the politicians who give away our/your tax dollars to get the car plants here and other assorted projects like that, are making huge personal gains from it, meanwhile the employees at the plant have a job that DOES NOT support a family. (it take two jobs like that) and are under ever more pressure every day.
the fact is that our economy collpased because of the top level managers across the country. The conservatives love to blame the rank and file for their mistakes, and that's what this is really all about...
the economy did not fail nor did tax revenues dry up because of teachers unions, or non-union employees here in the South,yeah that's another reason they came here.
if the TParty gets it's way? the economy will finish collpasing, or collapse again depending on how you want to define the situation.
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the same report also showed Wisconsin with the 3rd highest overall graduation rate, so yes, there's a problem, but it may not be what you think it is..
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The report's main findings are the following:
* The national graduation rate for the class of 1998 was 71%. For white students the rate was 78%, while it was 56% for African-American students and 54% for Latino students. * Georgia had the lowest overall graduation rate in the nation with 54% of students graduating, followed by Nevada, Florida, and Washington, D.C. * Iowa had the highest overall graduation rate with 93%, followed by North Dakota, Wisconsin, and Nebraska. * Wisconsin had the lowest graduation rate among African-American students with 40%, followed by Minnesota, Georgia, and Tennessee. Georgia had the lowest graduation rate among Latino students with 32%, followed by Alabama, Tennessee, and North Carolina. Less than 50% of African-American students graduated in seven states and less than 50% of Latino students graduated in eight states for which data were available.
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well, i agree that graduating people is important, however, i noticed that they weren't showing how well students did on testing...
there are many ways to judge a school system..
for instance, a good athletics program is incredibly important IMO to keep "at risk" males in school for the duration...
IMO school is not a very "happy place" for a healthy young male with lots of energy... in fact it can be torture for some. I think that's why we have this epidemic of kids on ADD drugs... I am sure i would have been diagnosed as ADD or something like that cuz i just couldn't sit still.. however, i was not learning disabled, just squirrelly....
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Now union members protesting in Indiana, and Democrat lawmakers leaving the state just like in WI. Talk about special interests. Kids need daycare in WI cause the teachers are protesting...wtf
If this were Republicans this whole board would be livid.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Now union members protesting in Indiana, and Democrat lawmakers leaving the state just like in WI. Talk about special interests. Kids need daycare in WI cause the teachers are protesting...wtf
If this were Republicans this whole board would be livid.
Do you have kids? if not....then you are just talking out of your a** as usual.
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If this were Republicans this whole board would be livid.
LOL... sure they would... what is th differnce between the 60 vote cloture rule in the US Senate and this State level Quorum rule? nothing. not one thing except that in the US senate they can sit in their chair and "not be present"....
this is as old as democracy.
to put into better perspective? this situation in WI would be as tho Obama put forth a health care bill one month after he got sworn in, and the Congress had voted it into law the next week...
i'm surprised you don't see that.
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