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as i watch listen to Fox "News" (liars cough cough) every day, i hear them repeat over and over how bad Obama aad Pelosi are for US businesses and how much the business community hates(d) them...
well, if you ask me? i think the last election came about a month too soon for the Dems, and we just voted the peopl out that made this possible
here's why:
American companies just had their best quarter ever, raking in profits at an annual rate of $1.66 trillion, Catherine Rampell reports in the New York Times. Corporate profits have been on a roll for the last year, but the unemployment rate is frozen between 9 and 10 percent. What gives?
There are all sorts of credible explanations for why profits are recovering faster than jobs, including but not limited to: (1) Unemployment is a lagging indicator anyway, because companies don't hire in big batches until they have a dependable flow of income; (2) Executives have become more obsessed with earnings reports since their compensation became more tied to stock prices in the 1990s; and (3) Technology and globalization have nibbled away at middle-education, middle-pay positions.
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Gee, I don't know, Glass. Maybe it's because they both demonize business every chance they get.
Or have you already forgotten the 'foreign contributions' bullchit they spewed during the midterms about the Chamber?
LOL...gee SF, best quarter EVER? and they are going to complain about that?
are you beginning to see how much lying the GOP's did?
i found that most Americans beleived their taxes had gone up...
most Americans beleived that the stimulus was a waste of money when in fact most of the stimulus was a tax cut...
i heard fox news and others say Obam had spent three trillion in deficit spending when in fact Bush was responsible for almost all of that but about a half trillion Obama saw revenues drop dramatically, and still CUT your taxes... LOL... sheesh.
tell me more about the demonising, i'll agree that they did say that foreigners were contibuting tot eh campaign fund. But as i recall no proof was offered by either side to debunk or prove it right? Or did i miss the proof?
the economy is doing so good now that we might not even have a depression even if the GOPs do manage to start cutting spending and destroying jobs.... NOT!
the jobs aren't coming back until we deal with China directly... and the GOP doesn't ahve that on their agenda at all... or did i miss that too? if i did please show me...
more demonising statements please... i'd like to hear it...
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The Chamber of Commerce says their internal measures keep the coins from mixing but they have chosen not to disclose any specifics that would help clarify the situation.
Could be yes, could be no. Who knows?
Too bad we don't have oversight rules in place that would make such information public.
Oh...wait....those wascally wepubwican wabbits filibustered the DISCLOSE act in the Senate twice this year...if that had passed then this would be a non-issue.
quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: Glass is kinda right SF is kinda wrong...
Dems and GOP are both liars and neither party will ever deal with China or jobs (which I agree go hand in hand)...
i've made the point here several times that i cannot melt (never mind buy the products to melt, or pay myself) my glass for the retail prices the Chinese "art" glass costs...
here's Steven Colbert interviewing the Marble Queen, CEO of the only US manufacturer of marbles left here, and these are not really art, China lands the marbles here at 28 cents per pound, her natgas cost is 21 cents per pound, that includes shipping them here after they are made and packaged, it's crime what is going on:
notice that she is not for tax breaks to the wealthy either, very few wealthy people that i know care about a 2% tax increase.... these are real Americna jobs we are losing because we small biz people are competing against the whole Chinese Govt, all by ourselves with no help from our Govt. The large corps get lots of help tho.....
i wonder if Issa's investigations and hearings will get US any more jobs? Maybe we'll find out who stole our country?
Mr. Issa told the Politico website this week that he wants each of his seven subcommittees to hold one or two hearings each week. "I want seven hearings a week times 40 weeks," Mr. Issa said, adding that he wants to organize aggressive oversight beyond even his own committee. No doubt he'll be at the other press conferences too.
the Chinese Govt sets internal prices on everything from gasoline to copper to electricty,
so we should tax their products for 100% a the border and pay them off ASAP... no, we don't tax the retail price, we tax the wholesale price-you'll be very surprised how much the markups are, and how little it will actually cost the consumer. the middleman will have to take 50% instead of 100% marlkups tho... of course that's pretty average when they do business with US producers...
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also, i was serious, i'd really like to hear about the demonisation of American Business by Obama...
cuz i'm pretty sure he was the guy who tried to open up new oil areas for exploration for the "evil oil co's" right before BP and Haliburton caused the biggest eco-disaster in US history...
yeah it was him alright:
Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is proposing to open vast expanses of water along the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and the north coast of Alaska to oil and natural gas drilling, much of it for the first time, officials said Tuesday.
By JOHN M. BRODER Published: March 31, 2010
The proposal — a compromise that will please oil companies and domestic drilling advocates but anger some residents of affected states and many environmental organizations — would end a longstanding moratorium on oil exploration along the East Coast from the northern tip of Delaware to the central coast of Florida, covering 167 million acres of ocean.
that's his demonising forya.... he tried to offer a huge solution to our oil problems and private industry screwed the pooch, so he declared a TEMPORARY moratorium on deepwater wells...
there's too much outright lying going on in this county, and that is going to be our real doom..
the moratorium only affected 33 whole wells, yet we keep hearing how it affected a 100,000 jobs.. well that's crap. anyone who lost a job because of the explosion should blame BP and HAL, who still have not completely explained what exactly happened and why. If another well had blown? The people would be blaming the Govt for not imposing a moratorium.
it's pile of crap that Fox news puts out every day.. they repeat the lies so often that peopl just repeat them without even thinking...
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Well well well, this sure is another interesting allstocks off topic thread now isnt it? More defense of the far left, and justification of pork laden mega spending bills. I love it. As if....liberalism is not intrinsically self destructive.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Well well well, this sure is another interesting allstocks off topic thread now isnt it? More defense of the far left, and justification of pork laden mega spending bills. I love it. As if....liberalism is not intrinsically self destructive.
Well maybe if you could take your head out of the Warmongering attitude you have and out of the GOP a** for a minute...and actually understand what glassman and sooo many others on this board have been tryin to tell you....ya just might get a better perspective. But I seriously doubt that's possible for you. You seem enthralled by those GOP a** muffs you wear over your ears and eyes. Good luck with that!
Btw..just an FYI. It's gonna be hard to see the light while you keep wearing that GOP a**hat.
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This would actually be humorous if I didn't know that several responses in this thread are dead serious.
First, let's look at Glass' link:
In order for big companies to add millions of workers per year, they need money. Lots of lots of money. More huge quarters like this one, on the back of rising consumer spending and falling productivity growth, will force companies to add workers to keep up with demand. More workers working will grow demand get even more workers working.
The system feeds itself. But first we need companies to take a bite -- to capitalize on their historically large appetite for new machines and new workers.
What part of that is due to ANY policy introduced by this Admin?
That's what this question is really about. Glass is asking, if I understand properly, why the perception is that Obama is bad for business with all that he's done for them.
(If that isn't the case, Glass, please feel free to correct me and I'll readdress this.)
So, my question is this: what part of this growth can be attributed to specific policies enacted by this Admin? It doesn't matter which of the three explanations listed above is believed, none of them are because Obama came to the rescue. And with all their business bashing (which I can cite...again...if needed) it is no wonder that the perception is that they hate\are bad for business.
quote:The Chamber of Commerce says their internal measures keep the coins from mixing but they have chosen not to disclose any specifics that would help clarify the situation.
Glass:
quote:either there's foreign money supporting the organisation or there is not and either the organisation supports candidates or it does not...
The Times reported, for example, that U.S. subsidiaries of corporations based overseas have set up more than 160 political action committees. The Federal Election Commission states that this is perfectly legal so long as U.S. residents make the decisions and provide all the funds. The Times also noted that groups such as the AFL-CIO and the Sierra Club also have international affiliations. The AFL-CIO has pledged to spend $53 million on the midterm elections, mainly supporting Democrats.
This was a blatant political attack with no basis is law. The fact that when asked if he had ANY evidence at all that the Chamber was doing ANYTHING illegal Axelrod said this:
“Do you have any evidence that it’s not, Bob?” Axelrod said on “Face the Nation.” “The fact is that the Chamber has asserted that, but they won’t release any information about where their campaign money is coming from. And that’s at the core of the problem.”
Do I really need to go into the absolute inanity of this? The fact that they (the admin) can claim something like this and then admit to not having ANY BASIS for the claim is slander pure and simple.
And you wonder why the perception is that business doesn't like them?
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Do I really need to go into the absolute inanity of this? The fact that they (the admin) can claim something like this and then admit to not having ANY BASIS for the claim is slander pure and simple.
not so -in order for it to be slander, it has to be a lie...
you have obvioulsy never bothered to look up the definition for slander cuz even if it was lie it still isn't slander, it would be something else entirely..
but it was not a lie:
The chamber says it does receive money from foreign sources, but that it amounts to only a small fraction of the chamber’s $200 million budget. The chamber says none of the foreign money is used in its ads, and no evidence has been produced to show otherwise. Federal Election Commission opinions state that organizations taking in foreign money may make political donations legally, so long as they have "a reasonable accounting method" to keep foreign money separate and have enough money from U.S. sources to cover the donations.
now do not forget for a minute that the ads had already been being run against Obama and the Dems, and that's why they attacked the Chamber, so lets get real here and tell me why the Chamber was campaigning agisnt them again BEFORE the attack...
you see th eproblem with claiming that the Whit House reprisals against attacks CAUSED the business community to hate Obam?
the facts are in, and the numbers are the highest they'e ever been for the last quarter..
now, how about some real demonisation by the Obama admin? i don't see you posting anything other than a silly campaign snit..
and what about the opening of the east coast for oil? was that not an attempt to find a common ground? no, we cannot consider that because it was only trick right? LOL...
the GOP and Hnanity and few of their Fox friends are still runing around claiming this was the biggest GOP victory ever. more lies. they lost eh Senate and they could have had it, they lost it cuz the party has so many ultra-whackos that talk nonsense and "only" to Fox, they won't talk to the "mainstream media, or the "lamestream media" as Palin puts it.. today i saw her on Fox say that you shouldn't listen tot eh "mainstream media, and that she couldn't understand why anybody would beleive the Natioanl Enquirer anyway...
i was rolling on the floor over that one, Palin elevated the Natioanl Enquirer to "mainstream" status what a silly girl..
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: if i pour a cup of water blue in a bucket and then pour gallon of green water in the same bucket, can i pour out the cup of blue water again?
simple question.. yes or no will suffice...
I'll play along. (even though I know this is about the seperating of money)
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Slander: is a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report, Glass. That is exactly what the Admin did by claiming that foreign money was 'buying our Democracy'.
As I linked above, as long as they can show that the foreign money went to other expenses not related to the campaign ads the law says they are fine.
Let me say that again...THEY ARE ACTING LEGALLY.
The Admin intentionally lied\insinuated\misrepresented\fudged\whatever euphemism you want in this case. Because it was a response to an action by the Chamber does not excuse it.
Now, simply the fact that the Chamber chose to run the anti-administration\Dem Party ads should show that there is\was animosity between them. That lends heavily to the perception that they (representing the bulk of business in the U.S.) feel that the current Admin is not acting in their favor.
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Slander: is a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report, Glass. That is exactly what the Admin did by claiming that foreign money was 'buying our Democracy'.
As I linked above, as long as they can show that the foreign money went to other expenses not related to the campaign ads the law says they are fine.
Let me say that again...THEY ARE ACTING LEGALLY.
The Admin intentionally lied\insinuated\misrepresented\fudged\whatever euphemism you want in this case. Because it was a response to an action by the Chamber does not excuse it.
Now, simply the fact that the Chamber chose to run the anti-administration\Dem Party ads should show that there is\was animosity between them. That lends heavily to the perception that they (representing the bulk of business in the U.S.) feel that the current Admin is not acting in their favor.
What more 'proof' are you looking for?
libel is the word you want tho, legally slander is transitory while libel is on the record, and it was said on the record, if you don't beleive me? look it up..
once again i ask you if you can pour the blue back out of the bucket after the green water has been poured in, and you know the answer...
the US chamber of Commerce most certainly does take money from foreign interests and admitted as much...
furthermore? for YOU to take up their case and claim slander OR libel which both carry civil penalties when they REFUSE to take up the case is well, not very bright... thy have refused to make any evidence available to form a case against the WH for anything..
you could be considered to be libeling the Dems and Obama by claiming they libeled somebody else without your proof that they did, and you cannot prove the case either way because they refuse to pursue it
in any case? the whole situation is stupid politics.
the Businesses in the US (as i've been pointing out here for awhile) have been doing very well under Pelosi and Obama, it was in fact the GOP that oversaw the Country when this mess got made... and the lack of hiring is actually a political statemnt being made by the employers of this country...
we are not all better yet,a nd could slip into depression really easily if the TParty gets it's way... the sad thing is that i look for Librtarianism with common sense in it cuz that's what i want and instead we are getting BS.... BS like whether or not the Chamber of Commerce has foregin money coming in or not(it does)
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Now, simply the fact that the Chamber chose to run the anti-administration\Dem Party ads should show that there is\was animosity between them. That lends heavily to the perception that they (representing the bulk of business in the U.S.) feel that the current Admin is not acting in their favor.
What more 'proof' are you looking for?
i'm asking for the "demonisation " of business that Obama has been accused of besides this, i am still waiting too...
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