Gitmo, Iraq, not one cent of higher taxes for the middle class, end income tax for seniors making less than $50,000, public comments before passing bills, transparency, pelosi's "no new deficit sxpending"
Do any of you catch on to all this, or are some of you still in the tank?
"I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
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cash, i dunno if you were in Iraq or Afghanistan or both.
we ain't leaving Iraq after the investment we have made there. it's not in the cards... and it has never been part of the plan...
my take on Iraq was that we deliberately took actions that were detrimental to their stability (NOT that we acted to destabilise them)
Abu Graib, allowing looiting, blowing up all the water and electric lines...
we did thatintentioanlly so they would be dependant on US and in return we would supply co's like HAL with engineering expertise to rebuild their infrastructure in exchanvge for favorable oil contracts...
the fact is? we needed them to have them need US cuz we need them...
the surge? that was successful primarily for two reeasons, the most important reason is that we hired all the warlords to run security...
now they pay the warlords instead of US i think.. i hoope anyway... the rotherreaason the surge worked is that we voted the GOPs out of office. do not underestimate the ability of other countries to understand our politics. They have politics too, and we are all somewhat differnt but he fat the America voted in Dems in '06 did send a message.
lastly, as to taxes? so far the avg Amrican family making less than 250K has seen a net tax decrease of 1200$ per year...
that came thru the stimulus plan that the TParty wants to villify...
what taxes have gone up so far? smokes and suntanning? LOL those are both choices we make not mandatory taxes...
as to the health care bill? it will be fixed....
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asking if people are "in the tank" implies that we are blind...
it's not going to do anything to change anything.. just annoy peeps...
Bush just admitted publicly he ordered waterboarding. we have successfully prosecuted at least two cases of waterbaording in our Judicial system in the last 60 years. It/s not even a legal question, it's amatter of fact, waterboarding is illegal and we prosecute people for it. One case was our own peeps in the The Nam and one case was agianst Japanese Officers.
Clinton was impeached for asatined dress and Nixon? LOL Nixon protected his employees, something any good boss wil do...
Bush and Cheney make them look like angels....
it's amazing how complacent people have become, in fact it's downright scary. The police state is here and gettin rid if it it ain't got nothing to do with TParty politcs, i haven't heard them complain once aboutthat, just generic crapola about big govt.
i want specifics.
Bush needs to be charged with the crime he committed, and then pardoned by Obama. Cheney? no pardons for Cheney, and if they dig it all up it make the country sick to it's stomach knowing exactly how deep his treachery really goes. It past the pint of patriotism and close to treason if not actually treason.
the GOP actually committed too many crimes that the Dems refuse to pursue and that is probbaly the biggest reason they are losing support from Independants, not their spending.
the base doesn't matter. it's the independants that make the difference. You have to keep your base, but when the base won't compromise? the independants will not come to them...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: cash, i dunno if you were in Iraq or Afghanistan or both.
we ain't leaving Iraq after the investment we have made there. it's not in the cards... and it has never been part of the plan...
my take on Iraq was that we deliberately took actions that were detrimental to their stability (NOT that we acted to destabilise them)
Abu Graib, allowing looiting, blowing up all the water and electric lines...
we did thatintentioanlly so they would be dependant on US and in return we would supply co's like HAL with engineering expertise to rebuild their infrastructure in exchanvge for favorable oil contracts...
the fact is? we needed them to have them need US cuz we need them...
the surge? that was successful primarily for two reeasons, the most important reason is that we hired all the warlords to run security...
now they pay the warlords instead of US i think.. i hoope anyway... the rotherreaason the surge worked is that we voted the GOPs out of office. do not underestimate the ability of other countries to understand our politics. They have politics too, and we are all somewhat differnt but he fat the America voted in Dems in '06 did send a message.
lastly, as to taxes? so far the avg Amrican family making less than 250K has seen a net tax decrease of 1200$ per year...
that came thru the stimulus plan that the TParty wants to villify...
what taxes have gone up so far? smokes and suntanning? LOL those are both choices we make not mandatory taxes...
as to the health care bill? it will be fixed....
Glass, I know we arent leaving Iraq anytime soon. You are missing my point. I know this because look at Korea and Germany. Im just saying, do you remember the wooing of the people Obama did? Hailing himself as the one to bring all the troops home from Iraq on a certain timetable? He should have never pledged what he did. He did it to get elected, and his sheep wont even call him out on it!
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Last of the "combat" troops leave Iraq; peacekeepers stay behind
Updated: Friday, August 20th, 2010 | By Angie Drobnic Holan
The last of American combat troops are leaving Iraq, and journalists on the ground have been documenting the departure of the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division. "Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home," reported the Associated Press. "Iraq in the rear-view mirror; Final combat brigade exits through a landscape littered with memories," said the Los Angeles Times. And "U.S. mission in Iraq switches from combat to assist," said the report from Reuters.
It's important to note here that the description "combat brigade" is critical. About 50,000 troops will remain in Iraq as a transitional force.
Obama described what those remaining troops will be doing in a speech on Aug. 2, 2010: "As agreed to with the Iraqi government, we will maintain a transitional force until we remove all our troops from Iraq by the end of next year," he said. "And during this period, our forces will have a focused mission -- supporting and training Iraqi forces, partnering with Iraqis in counterterrorism missions, and protecting our civilian and military efforts. These are dangerous tasks. There are still those with bombs and bullets who will try to stop Iraq"s progress. And the hard truth is we have not seen the end of American sacrifice in Iraq. But make no mistake: Our commitment in Iraq is changing -- from a military effort led by our troops to a civilian effort led by our diplomats."
This is consistent with Obama's promises from the campaign, when he emphasized removing combat troops but keeping other types of troops. Here's what Obama said at debate on Jan. 15, 2008: "We are going to have to protect our embassy. Were going to have to protect our civilians. We"re engaged in humanitarian activity there. We are going to have to have some presence that allows us to strike if Al Qaida is creating bases inside of Iraq. ... but it is not going to be engaged in a war, and it will not be this sort of permanent bases and permanent military occupation that George Bush seems to be intent on."
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