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I thought the stimulus was going to prevent this? Shouldnt they have focused on jobs more than health care? I wonder why the private sector views the obama admin as hostile?
Analysis: Jobs report is bad news for Democrats
By TOM RAUM (AP) 53 minutes ago WASHINGTON The die is cast, and it's grim news for the Democrats. There's nothing now that Congress or President Barack Obama can do to before the November midterm elections to jolt the nation's stagnant economy. Friday's government report the last major economic news before the midterm elections showed the nation continued to lose jobs last month, reinforcing the bleak reality that it probably will be years not months before employment returns to pre-recession levels below 6 percent. That tightens the pressure on Democrats ahead of the Nov. 2 elections. And it also casts a dark shadow well into the 2012 election season and beyond. "We won't see under 6 percent for five years," David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York, said Friday after the Labor Department reported that 95,000 more jobs were lost in September and the unemployment rate held at 9.6 percent. "It's going to be a slow recovery." Democrats, who now control the White House and both chambers of Congress, are sticking with a positive line: The economy is moving too slowly for anybody's comfort, but Obama and his congressional Democratic allies have laid the groundwork for future prosperity. They are blaming the downturn on the policies of Republican George W. Bush's eight-year presidency. Republicans, meanwhile, were quick to say Friday's new jobless report only underscored the weakness of Democratic policies of big government and taxes. It represented "the final verdict on the failed policies of this White House and Democratic Congress as voters head to the polls," said GOP party chief Michael Steele. Unemployment has now topped 9.5 percent for 14 months in a row, the longest stretch since the Great Depression of the 1930s. Congress, meanwhile, has left town until after the midterms, failing to decide what to do about wide-ranging Bush-era tax cuts that are due to expire on Jan. 1. Uncertainty over those tax cuts itself is contributing to the lack of hiring as businesses, especially small ones, attempt to figure out what their tax burdens will be next year. Obama and Democratic leaders want to let the tax cuts expire for wealthier Americans but extend them for the middle class. Republicans and some Democrats want to extend them for everybody, arguing that a weak economy is no time for any tax hikes
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Obama and Democratic leaders want to let the tax cuts expire for wealthier Americans but extend them for the middle class.......................
that makes great sense! its a no brainer....
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Jordan, the wealthy Americans? What is the income range to be considered wealth? Where does it begin, and where does it begin for a business to be considered wealthy?
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Glass, the stimulus should have been 3 TRILLION dollars! I just dont know what to do! Obama is going to grab me by the ankles, and shake me up and down until all the change comes out of my pockets.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Jordan, the wealthy Americans? What is the income range to be considered wealth? Where does it begin, and where does it begin for a business to be considered wealthy?
I'm not sure but I think it is the top 1% of americans would be affected?...Those would be considered the wealthiest...I dont think you have to worry your studly head,,,To put it in perspective...the amount that would be increased to a "wealthy" person..at your income it would amount to about a hundred bucks a year...
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Glass, the stimulus should have been 3 TRILLION dollars! I just dont know what to do! Obama is going to grab me by the ankles, and shake me up and down until all the change comes out of my pockets.
no cash, it isn't Obama. have the last two years here been wasted on you?
you were already upended and shook till your pockets turned out from the force...
9-10-01 Rumsfeld announces 2 trillion plus is missing from the Pentagon.. the next day? 9-11 happens..
prior to that? Enron...
all those traders went to the big banks...
the big banks start tradin oil like ther's no tomorrow: July 11 2008 oil hits 147 after being around 14$ for whole decade of the 90's.
the whole economy fails under deregaltion and private venture capital scams and you want to blame a guy who had been Senator for two years?
the big banks own the Govt as you just posted understanding in another thread.
i've tried my best to help since the day you showed up on the CMKM thread.
i've failed. i admit it. i have never tried to steer you wrong, i am not trying now. i rarely have to accpet failure cuz i am the all-American bullet headed Saxon mothers son... but this time i have to just wash my hands and call it a loss...
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Again, I agree with what you said glass, and I know that all these other people were involved. I am not blaming Obama for everything.
I am just holding him to his word. This guy came around, said EVERYTHING was going to change, change change, change. Hope, yes we can, and of course blaming.
They said unemployment has been at or near 9.5% for 14 straight months now. So, whos fault is that when you use fabricated feel good numbers to win support of massive spending bills?
Yes YEs I know there was major unaccounted losses at the Pentagon, in the military, overseas contracts. Yes I know about Enron, the traders, the credit default swaps, etc
What is funny is Democrats were on board with it to. What about strong arming sub prime loans on the banks? That is when the powerhouses found an opportunity by using complex mathematical formulas to packages garbage loans and sell them abroad as investments with so called great yields.
So basically, I know what you are saying every time you bring up a point. What I am saying, is this Obama, this jerk, went around saying if we did this, then that gets better. We need to do this, so these numbers go up. We need to pass this bill and that one, so we can get better. Nancy says we need to pass the health care bill so we can find out what is in it, she is also on record as of this past week saying we need more people on welfare before the economy gets better.
Their numbers are always off glass, and of course with things this size you cant be right. But when they put out their numbers and costs, they promote them as irrefutable and fact. That is how they dig their hole. I am not a fan of growing government, and the IRS by 16,500 to enforce health care law.
This administration is too radical. Too far left and the country is figuring it out. Nobody wants to be told by some hack in Washington what they must buy when it comes to things like health care. Screw the will of the people right? the majority?
What other industries should this government take over? BTW, when it comes to health care, who gets a waiver and who doesnt? McDonalds applied for the waiver.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Glass, the stimulus should have been 3 TRILLION dollars! I just dont know what to do! Obama is going to grab me by the ankles, and shake me up and down until all the change comes out of my pockets.
no cash, it isn't Obama. have the last two years here been wasted on you?
you were already upended and shook till your pockets turned out from the force...
9-10-01 Rumsfeld announces 2 trillion plus is missing from the Pentagon.. the next day? 9-11 happens..
prior to that? Enron...
all those traders went to the big banks...
the big banks start tradin oil like ther's no tomorrow: July 11 2008 oil hits 147 after being around 14$ for whole decade of the 90's.
the whole economy fails under deregaltion and private venture capital scams and you want to blame a guy who had been Senator for two years?
the big banks own the Govt as you just posted understanding in another thread.
i've tried my best to help since the day you showed up on the CMKM thread.
i've failed. i admit it. i have never tried to steer you wrong, i am not trying now. i rarely have to accpet failure cuz i am the all-American bullet headed Saxon mothers son... but this time i have to just wash my hands and call it a loss...
cash, i can trun on fox news and watch for 15 minutes and get a dose of "trying to hold Obam to his word".
we got robbed. he's barely holding the coutnry together,and we are arguing about whether he was right about 8 percent unemployment or 9.9% unemployment...
he told us he was going to "give us" single payer health care too and failed (good)...
yes the Dems are in it too. but hwy are we argung over 10% or 8% INSTEAD of why nobody's heads are on pikes?
i beleive in Socratic learning. that means we argue our point hard and share ideas... but this is getting repetitive.
Obama was no int he power structure whn this crap went down, get it? he's just a guy... vilifying him is a distraction "they" want you to play on.. that's what's annoying me..
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Jordan, the wealthy Americans? What is the income range to be considered wealth? Where does it begin, and where does it begin for a business to be considered wealthy?
I'm not sure but I think it is the top 1% of americans would be affected?...Those would be considered the wealthiest...I dont think you have to worry your studly head,,,To put it in perspective...the amount that would be increased to a "wealthy" person..at your income it would amount to about a hundred bucks a year...
You THINK 1% will be affected? So someone who makes 10 million a year is in the same boat as someone who makes $350,000?
At MY income huh? How do you even know what my income is or is not? You have always done well and making up facts in order to make a point you would like to make.
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cash, Obama was not in the power structure when this crap went down, get it? he's just a guy... not superman, not born to power at all... just a guy...
villifying him is a distraction "they" want you to paly on, and on, and on, like themusic on commercials. that you can't forget.. that's what's annoying me..
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Hope and change is what he was elected on and it still is the mantra....He is changing things and they are beginning to turn...as we all hope they will......you didnt want the same ol, same ol...right?....and your 16500 figured has already been shot down weeks ago!...what is your problem?...Glass is understandably frustrated and disappointed with you..he has gone on and on for years trying to educate you ..but you refuse to learn a thing....I dont think he will try anymore.
He's right...he has failed...
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I know he wasnt in power when this thing went down, its what he said would happen if he was elected. I just get sick of these politicians saying lies to get the vote. Been going on forever, but sheesh.
Obama promised something totally different, totally new, cleaning up washington. He is just as in bed with special interests as anyone else! There is no transparency, there ARE cover ups though. Good grief how much credit does a guy get who comes to Washington with a terrible voting record as a Illinois senator.
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Glass, why are tax cuts so horrible unless Obama can take credit for them?
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Jordan, the wealthy Americans? What is the income range to be considered wealth? Where does it begin, and where does it begin for a business to be considered wealthy?
I'm not sure but I think it is the top 1% of americans would be affected?...Those would be considered the wealthiest...I dont think you have to worry your studly head,,,To put it in perspective...the amount that would be increased to a "wealthy" person..at your income it would amount to about a hundred bucks a year...
You THINK 1% will be affected? So someone who makes 10 million a year is in the same boat as someone who makes $350,000?
At MY income huh? How do you even know what my income is or is not? You have always done well and making up facts in order to make a point you would like to make.
Thank you, so much,kid.....I really respect your opinion!
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Obama promised something totally different, totally new, cleaning up washington. He is just as in bed with special interests as anyone else! There is no transparency, there ARE cover ups though.
you are just repeating lies told on fox.
nothing is perfect or ever will be until you go to Heaven, freind.
Obama is different, and yes he will cash in, but the 5 trillion or so that got stolen is why your taxes are going up. it was etched in stone years ago.... not because of Obamas agenda, and i'm just tired of hearing "them" (the real thieves) pass along all this crapola..
if he was superman or Jesus? then yes everyhting would be just fine new... but he ain't and the only peol trying to compare him to Superman are th politico's that want their power back...
the govt cannot stop spending it's the ultimate last resort... when it does cut spending? There will be another ten percentage points in jobs lost, because they already left to China.
why aren't people going to jail? the Dems refused to follow up and that's their real failure here.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Glass, why are tax cuts so horrible unless Obama can take credit for them?
are you serious??...do you have adhd?...bipolar?.....he has explained over and over and over and over....
Jordan, you never have any substance, and this reply of yours proves it.
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: thats because I am braindead.....thanks again..its my birthday!..lighten up!
Happy birthday Jordan, and I have a birthday present for you. Well, more like birthday news!
CNN poll has Bush and Obama ratings neck and neck lol
CNN Poll: Was Bush better president than Obama?
By: CNN Political Unit (CNN) - Americans are divided over whether President Barack Obama or his predecessor has performed better in the White House, according to a new national poll. And a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday also indicates in the battle for Congress, Republicans hold large advantages over the Democrats among independents, men and blue-collar whites. The poll also indicates that Republicans are much more enthusiastic than Democrats to vote.
By 47 to 45 percent, Americans say Obama is a better president than George W. Bush. But that two point margin is down from a 23 point advantage one year ago. "Democrats may want to think twice about bringing up former President George W. Bush's name while campaigning this year," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "But that doesn't mean that Americans regret their decision to put Obama in the White House in 2008. By a 50 to 42 percent margin, the public says that Obama has done a better job than Sen. John McCain would have done if he had won. And by a 10-point margin, Americans also say that Joe Biden has done a better job than Sarah Palin would have done as vice president," adds Holland. According to the poll, 45 percent of the public approves of the job Obama's doing as president, up three points from late last month, with 52 percent disapproving. Fifty-nine percent of independents disapprove of how the Obama's handling his duties, with 37 percent giving him a thumbs up. In the fight for control of Congress, 52 percent of likely voters say they would vote for the generic Republican candidate in their district if the election were held today, with 45 percent saying they would back the Democrat. The Republican's seven point margin is down from a nine point advantage late last month. According to the poll, independents say they would vote for the Republican candidate over the Democrat by a two to one margin. "Blue-collar whites are also a particular problem for Democrats. Among white voters who describe their family as "white collar," the two parties are essentially tied. But more than seven out of ten whites who describe themselves as "blue collar" are planning to vote Republican in November," adds Holland. The poll indicates that opinions on the economy may have a lot to do with that. Only 17 percent say the economy is starting to recover, and nearly four in ten say that the country is still in a downturn and conditions are getting worse. The survey also suggests a strong gender gap. "Democrats appear to be making steady gains among women and now get a majority of their vote, but the gender gap persists and more than six in ten men say they plan to vote Republican this year," says Holland. According to the poll, another gap also exists: The enthusiasm gap. Most Republicans say they are extremely or very enthusiastic about voting this year. But only a third of Democrats feel the same way. "That's the principle reason why the "generic ballot" question is tied among all registered voters while the likely voter numbers show an advantage for the Republicans," adds Holland. "There are plenty of people who support the Democratic candidate, but many of them are probably not going to actually cast a ballot. In fact, if you look at "unlikely voters" - people who are registered to vote but unlikely to cast a ballot - the Democrats have a six-point edge on the generic ballot question." The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation national poll was conducted October 5-7, with 1,008 adult Americans, including 938 registered voters and 504 likely voters, questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus percentage points, with a sampling error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points for likely voters.
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Wow, that is very elitist of you to say Jordan.
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Jordan, why dont you run for an office and be the change you wish to see? In fact I dont know why more people here who apparently know all the answers to our nations problems didnt campaign or start. You all have ideas, share them to win votes.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Jordan, why dont you run for an office and be the change you wish to see? In fact I dont know why more people here who apparently know all the answers to our nations problems didnt campaign or start. You all have ideas, share them to win votes.
a couple years i ago i encoruaged you to do that...
why don't you?
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You seem to have a good memory glass. If I was not busy with my business I probably would. I keep an eye on the local stuff, I do not know if I would want to get past state level. I just couldnt enjoy living a life in Washington the way it is. Too high profile for me.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: You seem to have a good memory glass. If I was not busy with my business I probably would. I keep an eye on the local stuff, I do not know if I would want to get past state level. I just couldnt enjoy living a life in Washington the way it is. Too high profile for me.
seem? hmmmmm? i'm an elitist cuz of it too...
the other day jr asked me if i ever forget antyhing... i couldn't remeber if i do or not....
i grew up inside the beltway and have no intention of going back... i think you'll find that your answer's going to be pretty much the answer everybody here will give.....
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Obama promised something totally different, totally new, cleaning up washington. He is just as in bed with special interests as anyone else! There is no transparency,
been thinking on this (and the new poll on bush) a little more cash..
do you really think Americans in general want Obama to stand up and tell them the actual truths?
that we won't get the jobless rate below 5% until:
A) we get real world war, (but there's nobody except China to fight)
or B) China revalues the yuan on a one to one basis with the dollar at minmum
or
C) we raise a 100% import duty on Chinese goods and pay them back every penny we borrowed from them ASAP?
even you seem to rebel against my assertions here, but i assert them all the time and NOBODY has ever come here and disproved me... i do wait for that..
i'd like to be wrong... it's not an ego thing for me, in fact it's depressing as hell to know how futile our situation really is...
i can't tell you how many dozens of people tell me to go to China an get my works copied and massproduced to be "rich", to me that's just selling my soul...
i may do it too, but if i do? it'll be because i have given up on the USA, and quite frankly a president Palin would make me give up because i can only respect people i disagree with if they present me with logical reasons behind their thoughts, even if they are opposite of mine, i can still respect a well thougt out opinion.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Obama promised something totally different, totally new, cleaning up washington. He is just as in bed with special interests as anyone else! There is no transparency,
been thinking on this (and the new poll on bush) a little more cash..
do you really think Americans in general want Obama to stand up and tell them the actual truths?
that we won't get the jobless rate below 5% until:
A) we get real world war, (but there's nobody except China to fight)
or B) China revalues the yuan on a one to one basis with the dollar at minmum
or
C) we raise a 100% import duty on Chinese goods and pay them back every penny we borrowed from them ASAP?
even you seem to rebel against my assertions here, but i assert them all the time and NOBODY has ever come here and disproved me... i do wait for that..
i'd like to be wrong... it's not an ego thing for me, in fact it's depressing as hell to know how futile our situation really is...
i can't tell you how many dozens of people tell me to go to China an get my works copied and massproduced to be "rich", to me that's just selling my soul...
i may do it too, but if i do? it'll be because i have given up on the USA, and quite frankly a president Palin would make me give up because i can only respect people i disagree with if they present me with logical reasons behind their thoughts, even if they are opposite of mine, i can still respect a well thougt out opinion.
Do you use recycled glass? Is it the same quality?
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Do you use recycled glass? Is it the same quality?
i buy the best American made glass that is specific fro art glass blowing that i can find. i spare no expenses on quality and the only time i buy foreign is when it impossible to find quality American...
unfortaunaltely Germans make most (but not all) of the colors i use because they are so precise in their color mixing , nobody in America can deliver like they do,i also have to use the Italian gold beaters for gold leaf.. everything else is American ...
i am catering to people that can spend a minimum of 75$ on even small gifts..... they are still going to have money if the economy double dips (which is likely) and even if they get their taxes raised 2%....
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So I can get a custom made glass piece for $75-100?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: sure, but i'm out of inventory now, and i can't turn on the furnace till it's cool enough to handle 25 degrees hotter than outdoor temps...
so if is 70 degrees outside? it's 90 minimum in the shop, and it's 90 outside right now... so i sit and wait....
here? it's bascially T-giving fore i can light up...
So is this part time work for you then?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: sure, but i'm out of inventory now, and i can't turn on the furnace till it's cool enough to handle 25 degrees hotter than outdoor temps...
so if is 70 degrees outside? it's 90 minimum in the shop, and it's 90 outside right now... so i sit and wait....
here? it's bascially T-giving fore i can light up...
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