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This article just made my blood boil, and doesnt surprise me though. Builders are getting cheap Chinese drywall for homes. That is just sick, how low are we going to go? EVERYTHING is just China China China. Before you know it medical instruments will be made there laden in lead if they arent already.
Whos going to stop this? Obama sure as hell isnt, and is only INCREASING Chinese dependency. Sick...just sick.
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cash, they've been importing chinese drywall since Katrina at least (that i know of).
the chinese have no regulations that's why they are able to "outcompete" American workers
this where the "conservative" views about regulation, product liabiltiy and litigation reform get twisted into a knot.
i will also submit to you that the prevalence of autism in the US today is from all those damn "Happy Meal" toys made with lead paint them that nobody ever bothered to check, those and more thqan half of all the other toys in the sotres.
fact is? excessive profits tend to mean abuse of somebody or something.
fair regulation is absolute necessity.
Shipping records analyzed by the AP show that more than 540 million pounds of plasterboard — which includes both drywall and ceiling tile panels — was imported from China between 2004 and 2008, although it's unclear whether all of that material was problematic or only certain batches.
Most of it came into the country in 2006, following a series of Gulf Coast hurricanes and a domestic shortage brought on by the national housing boom.
The Chinese board was also cheaper. One homeowner told AP he saved $1,000 by building his house with it instead of a domestic product.
In 2006, enough wallboard was imported from China to build some 34,000 homes of roughly 2,000 square feet each, according to AP's analysis of the shipping records and estimates supplied by the nationwide drywall supplier United States Gypsum.
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Hey all, I'm a contractor and have heard alot about Chinese drywall. I warn every customer about it. I wouldn't use it even if it were free. It's sad that we import materials from countries that have no safety checks on production. Here's another good story from the EPA testing.
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it's very hard to bring civil cases against the Chinese manufacturers.
the Govt there protects them.
The problems begin before a lawsuit is filed. A Chinese company can only be sued in an American court if it does business on American soil, and not merely over the Internet.
Stephen A. Litchfield, a lawyer for Schneider Electric, is trying to sue two Chinese companies and accuse them of counterfeiting its Square D circuit breakers. "These companies only have Web addresses, no registered Chinese names. They don't appear to be real companies," Litchfield said.
great. Square D is one of the two main US circuit breaker companies, i will use only one foregin brand, the Seimens Co makes good ones too.
but counterfeit circuit breakers are a CRIME, people will die over that. circuit breakers stop your wiring from catching on fire. that's their ONLY job unless they are also GFCI, then they can stop you from getting electrocuted too.
when are the American People going to wake up and realise that cheaper is not better, and that the only benefits from buying Chinese goes to a small few importers and the Chinese Govt?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: it's very hard to bring civil cases against the Chinese manufacturers.
the Govt there protects them.
The problems begin before a lawsuit is filed. A Chinese company can only be sued in an American court if it does business on American soil, and not merely over the Internet.
Stephen A. Litchfield, a lawyer for Schneider Electric, is trying to sue two Chinese companies and accuse them of counterfeiting its Square D circuit breakers. "These companies only have Web addresses, no registered Chinese names. They don't appear to be real companies," Litchfield said.
great. Square D is one of the two main US circuit breaker companies, i will use only one foregin brand, the Seimens Co makes good ones too.
but counterfeit circuit breakers are a CRIME, people will die over that. circuit breakers stop your wiring from catching on fire. that's their ONLY job unless they are also GFCI, then they can stop you from getting electrocuted too.
when are the American People going to wake up and realise that cheaper is not better, and that the only benefits from buying Chinese goes to a small few importers and the Chinese Govt?
quote:Originally posted by glassman: it's very hard to bring civil cases against the Chinese manufacturers.
the Govt there protects them.
The problems begin before a lawsuit is filed. A Chinese company can only be sued in an American court if it does business on American soil, and not merely over the Internet.
Stephen A. Litchfield, a lawyer for Schneider Electric, is trying to sue two Chinese companies and accuse them of counterfeiting its Square D circuit breakers. "These companies only have Web addresses, no registered Chinese names. They don't appear to be real companies," Litchfield said.
great. Square D is one of the two main US circuit breaker companies, i will use only one foregin brand, the Seimens Co makes good ones too.
but counterfeit circuit breakers are a CRIME, people will die over that. circuit breakers stop your wiring from catching on fire. that's their ONLY job unless they are also GFCI, then they can stop you from getting electrocuted too.
when are the American People going to wake up and realise that cheaper is not better, and that the only benefits from buying Chinese goes to a small few importers and the Chinese Govt?
nobody knows...
well, what I mean is:
most of the public has no idea...
Sometimes it drives me nuts knowing that only a very small percentage of the population is as situationally aware as we are here.
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Oh...I think that most of the US population knows...they just don't care
the problem is that we live in a me...me...me, short term thinking society and the Chinese, Japanese, etc. know it and have managed to exploit it...
people in this country have become "watered down" and seriously self-serving...
I agree with CCM, Glass, and Tex....
but with regards to your post "retired";....I doubt that trueer words were ever spoken (how in the hell do you spell "true-er" anyway????).
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: fair regulation is absolute necessity.
I like that phrase or words (fair regulation) since whenever I mention the word "regulation" certain elements on this board distort it to mean something else...
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people in this country have become "watered down" and seriously self-serving...
No offense, but that is human nature and has been so since the dawn of man so to speak. And further more has always been apart of the American way... to say otherwise is to not be realistic...
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"And further more has always been apart of the American way... to say otherwise is to not be realistic..."
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It is much worst in the last 20+ years than it use to be, big difference.
Why do you think why were in the trouble were in?
Look at major companies in the US, in fact look at some of the smaller ones and how they have change over decades, that tells a lot of the story.
Most everything we do centers around these businesses and trying to make sure they succeed or at least a small percentage of indivuals involved in them.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: It is much worst in the last 20+ years than it use to be, big difference.
Why do you think why were in the trouble were in?
Look at major companies in the US, in fact look at some of the smaller ones and how they have change over decades, that tells a lot of the story.
Most everything we do centers around these businesses and trying to make sure they succeed or at least a small percentage of indivuals involved in them.
This country has always been about ME ME ME ME... IWISH... that is my point.. from the very beginning... whether a business, gov't or individual people... always has been and always will be... though their is exceptions to the rule... but for the most part that is what America is and why imo we are despised worldwide... This country is a money culture and a Me attitude from the very beginning though we pretend to say we are all in it together.... given the choice we would choose ourselves first before our fellow man...
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"This country is a money culture and a Me attitude from the very beginning though we pretend to say we are all in it together.... given the choice we would choose ourselves first before our fellow man..."
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I think we have been here many times before so i will spare others this argument.
But like i said we have gotten where we are because many large companies only looked at now instead of building on the future... for good reason
In the past that was not the case for many companies and being fair and building company loyality was part of their plan.
I go back far enough to have seen this idea some, a lot more than later in the century.
Although it was even more so in my parents generation.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I think we have been here many times before so i will spare others this argument.
But like i said we have gotten where we are because many large companies only looked at now instead of building on the future... for good reason
In the past that was not the case for many companies and being fair and building company loyality was part of their plan.
I go back far enough to have seen this idea some, a lot more than later in the century.
Although it was even more so in my parents generation.
in the past as it is now it has always about ME IWISH... but i will give you that with each generation the ME attitude gets worst... America for the lack of a better word is SPOILED... and that brings us down... what you or your parents saw in the past will never come to be again ever...
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LOL. you sound like a little old commie lady.
to say America is spoiled and always has been is to ignore how we became what we are.
you imply that it was some sort of accident(i assure you it was not)
so you are back form the third world again spouting your hate instead of apreciating the responsibility that goes with the privilege of living here. that's what the people that you so hate are doing too, refusing to accept responsibiltiy for their own actions and expecting someone else to pick up their mess.
fact is? America has in the past looked forward. that's how we put men on the moon (for instance).
don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
some of the worst and best things we have done have been a result of the cold war with Russia. WHY are we not in a cold war with China in peoples minds? cuz we are in reality.
i don't care how many phone buddies you have in China, or how much profit there is in selling Chinese made jewelery. they are not our ally in any way shape or form. they do not recognise the personal freedom that IS what has made America what is in its greatest and worst moments.
if you hate US so much why do you live here? this place is what it is, because of the ME's and the people who see beyond that, and i do know plenty of the people that do see beyond that, they are here and in large numbers, but they aren't obviously in the public eye.
i was amazed at how many of my retired military friends were jumping in bed withe Russkies when the USSR collapsed. none of them actually made any real money but they were sure willing to try to go into business with 'em. a couple that went in big got burned bad. the rest that i know of were glad to get out without big losses.
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I think we have to see a shift backwards in order for us to turn around this economic situation.
How much... time will tell
Never is a very strong word, i am not sure we can live with it long term under these curcumstances.
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people in this country have become "watered down" and seriously self-serving...
No offense, but that is human nature and has been so since the dawn of man so to speak. And further more has always been apart of the American way... to say otherwise is to not be realistic...
That's pure bullsh!t...
Once again you have proven that you are about as sharp as the back end of a rowboat...
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Consumers told to gut Chinese-drywall homes Wallboard, wiring, sprinkler systems -- all of it should go, two federal agencies say. April 02, 2010|By Alana Semuels
Homeowners who may have hazardous Chinese drywall in their homes should remove it, two government agencies said Friday, in effect advising thousands of people from Florida to California to gut their homes.
Consumers should remove "all possible problem drywall" and replace their electrical wiring, sprinkler systems, smoke alarms and carbon monoxide alarms, according to new guidelines issued Friday by the Consumer Product Safety Commission and the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
The problematic drywall emits hydrogen sulfide at rates 100 times the rates of non-Chinese samples, the commission said.
Some homeowners complained of health problems, including coughing, nosebleeds, sinus infections and other throat, nose and lung irritation. The commission said it was continuing to investigate claims from residents in 37 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and American Samoa.
The agency issued guidelines in January to help consumers identify whether their homes contained problem drywall.
Homeowners who had new drywall installed between 2001 and 2008 were instructed to look for blackened copper electrical wiring or air conditioner coils. Inspectors would then test the corrosive conditions in the homes and the drywall.
Now, the same homeowners are being told that the best step is to remove the drywall, which amounts to gutting homes or additions where the cheap, imported building material was used.
It's still unclear who will pay for this process. Thousands of homeowners have filed suit against the Chinese manufacturers who made the drywall and the U.S. companies that sold it.
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