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Obama has railed against the "ugly process" of cutting special deals, but the president and his top advisers were prime players in negotiations on the agreements to win votes and push the legislation forward.
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"We're going to do what we have to do to get a bill out of the House and Senate," said James Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. As for Obama's wish list of deletions: "We'll certainly keep it in mind as we pull together a final bill."
ROFL...I don't envy Dem lawmakers right now...
Our Leader Leming has taken them on a run that can only end one way...no matter which path they take now...
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medicare when it was implemented faced the same sort of fighting and politicking.
in the end? the Dems won it in '65 and kept the house and senate for the next 3 DECADES!
President Johnson signing the Medicare amendment. Former President Harry S. Truman and his wife, Bess, are on the far right
Truman was Missourri Democrat Johnson was Texas Democrat. Truman started the "fight" in the late 40's early 50's.. Johnson finally finished it.
people who listen to their own chosen filters for "news" too much become myopic.
there are things i cannot stand about this bill, and there are things it should have IMO and doesn't...
BUT!
this bill is nothing near as "bad" or "evil" as the Fox mouthpeice network has made it out to be either...
quite frankly? i don't think the people yelling are as numerous as the people that are simply being quiet and watching, and when the votes come out in Congress and then next Nov. we'll know the truth.
Obama ran on this platform. He got elected on thisplatform.
the GOP has risked everything on painting this with a"bad' brush and making it partisan. The Dems are risking everything in moving forward, but there is no such thing as a "sure bet".
all or nothing politics is stupidity.
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In order to get enough votes for this bill to pass, special interests for particular states have to be included.
If special interest is to be removed, the votes would be lost, and this bill will not pass. So then, what good would this bill be, for Our Country as a whole, if it can only pass with special interest votes?
Then there is special interest for some of the opposition to the bill from insurance providers.
When will OUR Country get back to its roots?
Better yet, how can we get there?
Main Issue should be: Special Interest
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No, Glass, Obama ran on the "I'm not George Bush" platform and won...
Scott Brown ran on the "I will kill this Bill" platform and won.
Obama is 0-3 for backing candidates since being elected, and don't think that fact has escaped the notice of those up for re-election this year.
Politically, this bill is toxic; no matter if it passes or not. If it passes, Repubs will campaign against it and win... If it fails, the Repubs will claim a mandate and win...
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: No, Glass, Obama ran on the "I'm not George Bush" platform and won...
Scott Brown ran on the "I will kill this Bill" platform and won.
Obama is 0-3 for backing candidates since being elected, and don't think that fact has escaped the notice of those up for re-election this year.
Politically, this bill is toxic; no matter if it passes or not. If it passes, Repubs will campaign against it and win... If it fails, the Repubs will claim a mandate and win...
Toxic.
Obama most certainly did run on this platform, i do't know how you can say different with a straight face.
McCain also ran as not GW Bush.
Scott Brown ran on this in Mass. right? Mass already has health care reform very similar to this that he supported, and so did Romney?
people, esp media people are not thinking much these days IMO.
since when has Mass. ever been a bellweather state?
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aw, comeon guys, i want the house and or senate to be different from the white house no matter who is in office. it's best for the country.
what i don't want to see is some BS reasons for it.
when have you ever heard a serious adversary honsetly warn their opponents that they are about to make a fatal game-losing strategic mistake?
in the last month i've heard McConnel and Boehner and several other GOPs warn the Dems that if they vote for the health bill? they'll lose control of the house and senate.
something is wrong with that type of warning, seriously wrong. I just don't beleive warnings like that. i think it's wishful thinking. the bottom line on getting re-elected is and always has been jobs.
the stupid thing about that is that "conservatives" always claim the govt shouldn't be in the "job business" at all. it's a core of their beleif system, and if they get elected? then they actually have to fix this mess somehow. and they can't either without going against their "so-called principles".
if the GOP gets control of either one this fall it'll be because of jobs, not the health bill. watch the job numbers, that's who/what will determine the game in Nov.
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Did Obama promise Universal Healthcare in the campaign? Of course, just like he promised to close Gitmo and recind the Patriot Act...we see how well those promises were kept.
But it was the fact that he wasn't Republican and wasn't Dubbya or a Clinton that got him elected, make no mistake.
As far as Jobs, I'll give you that one. Regardless of this bills passage or failure, if the Dems don't get people working again they are doomed in Nov. No way around it.
But as far as Conservatives and jobs...they (and I) believe that if the Government creates an environment that stimulates economic growth then employers WILL hire. That's the role of government in the 'job business'. No more.
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But as far as Conservatives and jobs...they (and I) believe that if the Government creates an environment that stimulates economic growth then employers WILL hire. That's the role of government in the 'job business'. No more.
LOL, you mean like Bush did? gimme a break man
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quote:LOL, you mean like Bush did? gimme a break man
No, and I don't consider him a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the words.
quote:you want a govt that actively makes the job environment grow? China sound like a good place to live?
China is a good example of 21st century slavery, Glass, nothing more...and the world is cowards not to call them on it because they're afraid of losing their 'credit line.'
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quote:LOL, you mean like Bush did? gimme a break man
No, and I don't consider him a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the words.
quote:you want a govt that actively makes the job environment grow? China sound like a good place to live?
China is a good example of 21st century slavery, Glass, nothing more...and the world is cowards not to call them on it because they're afraid of losing their 'credit line.'
back in '04 i said as much about Bush and got booed by other conservatives.
there are no real conservatives in DC. Even Cheney is not a real conservative. the dude went there and disposed of competitve bidding on contracts. That is fascism pure and simple, it is the opposite of cutting govt growth..
They all go ther to make money off their govt service for themselves and their buddies who take care of them after they leave...
China? it's communism for profit. but it's still communism, and the communist party is still running every facet of the country.
tehy wouldn't have had the money to lend if a bunch of Americans in and out of the govt didn't get in bed with them, and that all started with the Bush family.
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I cant wait for the elections this fall...its going to shame the democrat party.
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I'll be interested to see if Republicans put up the bill regarding banning earmarks back up for debate after healthcare passes.
I'd actually like to hear a healthy debate between members regarding the proper and improper uses of earmarks.
I doubt it will come back though....it was only ever meant to be a smear soundbite IMO.
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i want the house and or senate to be different from the white house no matter who is in office. it's best for the country.
We need this for balance of power no matter which party holds offices. Without it, we can and are drifting too far to one side which is toxic for us a whole.
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White House backs down on health bill deals White House backs down on pushing Senate to remove special deals from health bill
On Sunday March 14, 2010, 12:40 pm EDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- The White House is backing down from trying to get senators to remove some special deals from the health care bill.
Senior adviser David Axelrod says the White House only objected to deals that affected just one state, such one involving Medicaid and Nebraska that's being cut from the legislation.
Axelrod says that deals that could apply to more than one state are OK.
That means deals pushed by senators from Montana and Connecticut would be fine because they're written in such a way that other states could potentially qualify.
It's a change from a couple days ago when press secretary Robert Gibbs singled out the Montana and Connecticut deals and said President Barack Obama wanted them gone.
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Let the Bribing continue!!!
like it or not? that's how the US political system works.
when you go to negotiate for something you look out for yourself/family/voters/state whatever too.
fact is? Congress has about as high ofa overall disaproval rating as it can get, but when you ask someone about their OWN repesentatives? the numbers reflect a normal voting range right around 50%.
in essence everybody hates everybody elses representatives.
i didn't and would never vote for Pelosi, but then i am not likely to move to her district either which is 90% Democrat
Reid? i don't know as much about him. but i wouldn't like to live in most of Nevada much either- maybe norhtern Nevada
i can also say i would prolly not vote for Spray brush Orange man Boehner who would replace Pelosi if/when the GOP comes back this Nov. (which i doubt)
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Health care foes 11 votes shy of defeating bill
Washington (CNN) -- Five more House Democrats said Tuesday that they will vote against Senate health care legislation, which puts opponents of reform just 11 votes shy of the 216 needed to prevent President Obama from scoring a major victory on his top domestic priority.
An ongoing CNN analysis shows that opposition in the House to the Senate health care plan has reached 205 members.
A total of 27 House Democrats, including nine who supported the House plan in November, have indicated that they would join a unified Republican caucus in opposing the Senate plan, which passed in that chamber December 24 with the minimum required 60 votes.
Nonetheless, House Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson of Connecticut said Monday after a meeting with rank-and-file Democrats that "the votes are there" to pass the health care bill.
Among at least 27 Democrats who will vote against the bill is Rep. Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, who confirmed his opposition Monday.
"Health care reform is needed, but the bill before us is too expensive, does not adequately address rising medical costs and skyrocketing insurance premiums, and tries to do too much too soon," McIntyre said in a written statement. "We simply cannot afford to create a new federal bureaucracy that costs nearly $1 trillion when our national debt is $12 trillion and there is no plan in place to address it. I will not vote for it."
Proponents of the health care plan need 216 votes to pass the Senate measure. No Republicans have indicated that they will vote for the bill, which means Democratic leaders must rely solely on votes from their own members. Democrats hold 253 House seats.
Democrats unveiled 153 pages of last-minute changes that included another of Obama's top priorities. Federally guaranteed student loans would now be made only by the government, ending a role for banks and other for-profit lenders who charge fees.
The savings, an estimated $60 billion over a decade, would increase the maximum Pell grants for needy college students as well as support for programs such as aid to historically black colleges, a priority of the Congressional Black Caucus.
the "funny" thing is that Glen was complaining that private industry is being "forced out" of education funding...
i had to laugh at that man, they aren't forced out of anything, they can still make student loans but they are losing thier govt subsidies and garantees...
why can't we get an honest debate out of anybody?
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