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i dunno how Bush and Cheney managed this, maybe bdgee can explain
California farms lose main water source to drought
Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:50pm EST
By Steve Gorman
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - California's main source of irrigation water is expected to go dry this year for most of its growers due to drought, idling at least 60,000 workers and up to 1 million acres of farmland, federal officials and experts said on Friday.
The zero allocation for most of the farmers who buy water from the federally managed Central Valley Project was declared as California water officials repeated their plans to cut amounts supplied from a separate state-run water system to 15 percent of normal.
The drought-forced cutbacks are a huge blow to thousands of farmers in the Central Valley, which produces over half of the fruit, vegetables and nuts grown in the United States. Higher prices are likely for a wide range of crops as a result.
The Central Valley, a fertile but arid region stretching some 500 miles from Bakersfield to Redding, is the agricultural heartland of California, which ranks as the nation's No. 1 farm state in terms of the value of crops produced -- more than $36 billion a year.
IT DOESN'T GET WORSE'
Richard Howitt, a co-author of that study, said he expected that 850,000 acres of land would be left dry and fallow, and another 2 million acres would grow less food than normal. His analysis assumes farmers will make greater use of groundwater to help offset cutbacks from the state and federal government.
Officials at the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, which runs the CVP, estimated that 1 million acres, roughly a third of the land irrigated by the system, would be put out of production. Agency spokeswoman Lynnette Wirth called the situation "grim."
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A lot of this in certian areas has to do with a damn fish the size of a minnow. Now our crops, and agricultural production are being jeapordized because of the Sierra Club and wacko groups from Liberal Land.
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1800 more deadbeats to hit the streets: Associated Press Smithfield, union to start NC pork plant talks Associated Press, 02.20.09, 05:27 PM EST
The North Carolina company that owns the world's largest pork processing plant will negotiate with a workers union this week for the first time since the plant opened in 1992.
Smithfield Packing Co. and union officials confirmed Friday that talks will begin Wednesday.
Smithfield Packing's parent company, Virginia-based Smithfield Foods Inc. (nyse: SFD - news - people ), said this week it plans to lay off 1,800 workers and close six factories because of a slump in the meat industry.
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: A lot of this in certian areas has to do with a damn fish the size of a minnow. Now our crops, and agricultural production are being jeapordized because of the Sierra Club and wacko groups from Liberal Land.
uh? care to back that up? it's called drought.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: A lot of this in certian areas has to do with a damn fish the size of a minnow. Now our crops, and agricultural production are being jeapordized because of the Sierra Club and wacko groups from Liberal Land.
Damn you're right. Forget about the earth in general, global warming is a liberal farce. We don't need no stinkin world, the free market and conservatives will figure a way to colonize the moon and other planets.
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the Delta smelt is the minnow he's talking about, but they are not the reason for this.
growing stuff and living in the desert is the reason for this.
there just isn't enough water.
ask most any ranchers out west, they'll tell you. they've had their water steadily disappear to cities for a couple decades now...
salmon are also endangered in this situation and last i checked? they are food too...
The Sacramento River fall-run chinook salmon, the backbone of the commercial salmon fishery, collapsed last year Although the run is not endangered, its collapse led to the unprecedented closure of the fishing season. Grader said regulators could use the tough law to protect fall-run salmon, not because it merits the law's protection by itself but because it provides food for the endangered orcas.
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I never said it had nothing to do with the drought they have. The number one reason? People living in an area that naturally lacks water and they dont care. Just look how many golf courses are in Arizona in dry areas. They take a lot of water.
And wallymac, get over that already. Nobody ever said forget the earth.
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quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I know Glass. Was just my attempt to be facetious.
i know,
it's funny how many ranchers are leaving the ranks of the "conservative" party.... it seems that for the most part? what's good for minnows and frogs and small mammals is also good for their business.. who'da thunk it?
they don't like the wolves. but hat's about it.
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Fortunately for some they have wells or streams to supply their crops.
A friend of mine sells for a big grower in Northern Ca. and he has some major accounts, his company is okay.
The one's getting water first will be the farmers with long term crops, opposed to those annual crops, if i remember right.
So far were down in rainfall, but we have had quite a bit lately, so maybe it will continue and get back to a more normal rainfall.
There sure is a lot of snow in the mountains.
I have said for many years we really do not have real good ways of capturing the rainfall when we get heavier rain and it appears no one really cares until were short.
The companies that supply the water will get more money for it when it's short.
Certain growers will get the water and sell their crops for a lot more, others will get nothing.
From what i understand there is quite a internal system with some of these growers, i will leave it with that small statement.
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If them librall tree huggin commies hadn'ta stoped us from cutting down all them damned redwoods then them damned redwoods wouldn'ta been there in the ground with their damned roots sucking out all that damned water we need and we'd have plunty.
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The real problem is that the Free Market should determine who gets the water and who doesn't. For that matter if the Free Market would be allowed we could get rid of all those dead beats by allowing it to determine who gets the air we breath. Yep, that's it. Let the Free Market decide who gets to breath.
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quote:Originally posted by wallymac: The real problem is that the Free Market should determine who gets the water and who doesn't. For that matter if the Free Market would be allowed we could get rid of all those dead beats by allowing it to determine who gets the air we breath. Yep, that's it. Let the Free Market decide who gets to breath.
*grin*
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Why are states with the highest tax rates in need of the biggest bailouts? HMMM?
Note to self...states with highest tax rates are Democrat states.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Why are states with the highest tax rates in need of the biggest bailouts? HMMM?
Note to self...states with highest tax rates are Democrat states.
cash, where is all this coming from man?
seriously? California is ranked 20th in tax rates. State/Local taxes as % of per capita income, barely more than Mississippi, which has the highest grocery tax rate in the country:
U.S. average 10.10%
1 Maine 13.00% 2 New York 12.00% 3 Hawaii 11.50% 4 Rhode Island 11.40% 5 Wisconsin 11.40% 6 Vermont 11.10% 7 Ohio 11.00% 8 Nebraska 10.90% 9 Utah 10.90% 10 Minnesota 10.70% 11 Arkansas 10.50% 12 Connecticut 10.50% 13 West Virginia 10.50% 14 New Jersey 10.40% 15 Kansas 10.40% 16 Louisiana 10.40% 17 Maryland 10.30% 18 Indiana 10.30% 19 Kentucky 10.30% 20 California 10.30% 21 Arizona 10.20% 22 Michigan 10.10% 23 Wyoming 10.10% 24 Washington 10.00% 25 Iowa 10.00% 26 Mississippi 10.00% 27 Idaho 10.00 28 North Carolina 10.00% 29 New Mexico 9.90% 30 Illinois 9.80% 31 Georgia 9.80% 32 Massachusetts 9.80% 33 South Carolina 9.70% 34 Virginia 9.70% 35 Pennsylvania 9.70% 36 Oregon 9.60% 37 Colorado 9.50% 38 Nevada 9.50% 39 Montana 9.50% 40 Oklahoma 9.40% 41 Missouri 9.40% 42 North Dakota 9.40% 43 Texas 9.30% 44 Florida 9.20% 45 South Dakota 8.80% 46 Alabama 8.70% 47 Tennessee 8.30% 48 Delaware 8.00% 49 New Hampshire 7.40% 50 Alaska 6.40% District of Columbia 12.20
seems to me that somebody has been lying to you alot.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Why are states with the highest tax rates in need of the biggest bailouts? HMMM?
Note to self...states with highest tax rates are Democrat states.
cash, where is all this coming from man?
seriously? California is ranked 20th in tax rates. State/Local taxes as % of per capita income, barely more than Mississippi, which has the highest grocery tax rate in the country:
U.S. average 10.10%
1 Maine 13.00% 2 New York 12.00% 3 Hawaii 11.50% 4 Rhode Island 11.40% 5 Wisconsin 11.40% 6 Vermont 11.10% 7 Ohio 11.00% 8 Nebraska 10.90% 9 Utah 10.90% 10 Minnesota 10.70% 11 Arkansas 10.50% 12 Connecticut 10.50% 13 West Virginia 10.50% 14 New Jersey 10.40% 15 Kansas 10.40% 16 Louisiana 10.40% 17 Maryland 10.30% 18 Indiana 10.30% 19 Kentucky 10.30% 20 California 10.30% 21 Arizona 10.20% 22 Michigan 10.10% 23 Wyoming 10.10% 24 Washington 10.00% 25 Iowa 10.00% 26 Mississippi 10.00% 27 Idaho 10.00 28 North Carolina 10.00% 29 New Mexico 9.90% 30 Illinois 9.80% 31 Georgia 9.80% 32 Massachusetts 9.80% 33 South Carolina 9.70% 34 Virginia 9.70% 35 Pennsylvania 9.70% 36 Oregon 9.60% 37 Colorado 9.50% 38 Nevada 9.50% 39 Montana 9.50% 40 Oklahoma 9.40% 41 Missouri 9.40% 42 North Dakota 9.40% 43 Texas 9.30% 44 Florida 9.20% 45 South Dakota 8.80% 46 Alabama 8.70% 47 Tennessee 8.30% 48 Delaware 8.00% 49 New Hampshire 7.40% 50 Alaska 6.40% District of Columbia 12.20
seems to me that somebody has been lying to you alot.
Glass those are wrong. Kansas is not at a tax rate of over 10%. Those numbers are way off.
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"I never said it had nothing to do with the drought they have. The number one reason? People living in an area that naturally lacks water and they dont care. Just look how many golf courses are in Arizona in dry areas. They take a lot of water."
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The areas being talked about in this article probably rely on several sources of water.
These areas have very good land for growing and tempertures that allow good growing conditions this is why these areas grew in population, to support the farms.
"Agriculture remains the primary industry in the Central Valley. The Central Valley is one of the most productive agricultural regions in the world. It is commonly referred to as the "fruit basket of the world."
Some of the sources of water might be wells, streams, Mount Shasta, California Aqueduct, Sacramento River and more, just depending where the farms are located.
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those are state and local taxes combined...
How Kansas State income tax rates are structured The tax table below will show in detail the Kansas state income tax rates by income tax bracket(s). There are 3 income tax brackets for Kansas. If your income range is between $0 and $15,000, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 3.5%. If your income range is between $15,001 and $30,000, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 6.25%. If your income range is $30,001 and over, your tax rate on every dollar of income earned is 6.45%.
almost everywhere i've lived? i take 50% of my state tax and add that for county and or city tax...
6.45 + (.5 X 6.45) = 9.68% add to that sales taxes collected? you get the rest...
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