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I am currently in the middle of Ben Stein's new documentary, "Expelled."

I recommend that all go out and rent it or watch it online.

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What is it about?

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being "expelled"?

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Everything Ben Stein writes is about Ben Stein.
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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
What is it about?

Freedom for scientists to be scientists, and explore unproven theories, such as darwinism.

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Ben Stein is too weird for me...(and i can handle some pretty weird chit)

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Many folks have lost their jobs for just mentioning the words of intelligent design, and challenging Darwin's unproven theory.

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quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
Many folks have lost their jobs for just mentioning the words of intelligent design, and challenging Darwin's unproven theory.

LOL.. as they should if they are serious scientists..

many people have lost their jobs for less...

natural selection is not unproven..

and natural selection is not compatible with intelligent design...

if you beleive in intelligent design? then why did God make leprosy (Mycobacterium leprae, Hansens disease), or malaria (plasmodium)? malaria still kills millions of children each year..

those are some of the nicer diseases that kill at random... yersinea pestis (black plague), Clostridium perfringens (gas gangrene), the list goes on and on...

intelligent design? hardly...

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That's a wrong argument Glass. Having such diseases does not invalidate the idea of intelligent design. (Snakes kill mice, do you see that as unnatural?) However, Intelligent Designers insistence on pitting it against accepted scientific theory instead of trying to work with it for greater understanding invalidates it as it stands now. Once they figure out how to accept the fact that the earth is old and that the ape was a step in the process of mans creation...then I might be willing to hear em out. Until then however its religious mumbo jumbo that has no basis in reality.

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Just look at Obama!

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Talk about a racist remark!!

Damn, cow, get real.

And if you can't stop the racial crap, please do it elsewhere and stop fouling this place with your race crap.

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Does anyone else see this? Anytime I say ANYTHING against Obama, bdgee starts throwing the racism word around like women say love for the fonz and franky sinatra.


Get out of here with that! That is the only card in the deck you got to pull! HA! I bet this guy (bdgee) pulls the sex card too. Are you not ABOVE these kinds of politics bdgee? Apparently you are not. Do you have any friends?

The only reason you pull that on me is because it is the hardest thing to argue with in your mind. You dont have much else going on besides calling people a bigot, or calling them neo-cons, rush supporters, right wing conspiracy thugs, etc etc....THEN you have the nerve to tell others they are using republican talking points when you use liberal ones yourself! You are a hypocrite bdgee! A hypocrite!!

You know what I do? I point out flaws on both sides. I agree with things against say Palin, and I agree with things against say Obama or Biden. I can poke fun and agree with both sides since both sides are wrong, and both sides are right on certain things. Now YOU on the other hand ( I am sure many here agree) would never ever be able to point out your own candidates faults. I have never seen you do that. Why? Probably because your sheep costume is causing you heat stroke through dehydration, and you ran out of kool aid!!!

The mere fact that you bring up racism when it was never there in the first place really shows what you are all about. Get over it bdgee and lets see something better from you if that is even possible. You name call on this board like 1st graders on the playground. You cry like a 2nd grader being punished, and you sling mud like it was the redneck Olympics. You never ever have substance! You are weak son! WEAK! Dont feel bad though bdgee, a lot of people out there dont have talent either. Like I have said before your posts are more amusing than anything since they cant be taken seriously. You DO understand that right? You cant be taken seriously because you are not persuasive. You are like the John McCain of the board. Running attack ads all day long and you know it. If I wanted to any more garbage I think I would have to visit the city dump!!

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cow,

You are a racist. It is a part of your ignorance and your personality. Race is always there when you bring up the multitude of lies you post about Obama.

You post ridiculous and easily discounted lies about democrats, particularly about Obama, and post the facts about republican lies and screw ups only when it is too obvious to not admit them.

That response of your's, "Just look at Obama!"' to Big's point that, "the ape was a step in the process of mans creation", was an insult to everyone in general and the Nation in particular..

You are a racist. Moreover, you are a liar.

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Intelligent design:

a theory that nature and complex biological structures were designed by intelligent beings and were not created by chance

Intelligent design refers to the theory that intelligent causes are responsible for the origin of the universe and of life in all its diversity

Source: http://dictionary2.classic.reference.com/cite.html?qh=intelligent%2520design&ia= wmde

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yeah..I didnt quite get that "look at Obama" quote either...


at the very least?...it wasnt a very bright thing to say.

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if you beleive in intelligent design? then why did God make leprosy

Why are you bringing God into science?

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quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
if you beleive in intelligent design? then why did God make leprosy

Why are you bringing God into science?

If God is not behind the Intelligent Design theory, then who is? Extra Terrestrials? Just curious as to your thoughts on this.

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No one is behind it, Pease, because intelligent design doesn't exists. It is a fiction of religious construction. It belongs in the same basket as the claim that Angels or storks or cabbage plants cause babies.
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Just curious as to your thoughts on this.

Some form of greater intellect, or more advanced than ours.

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quote:
if you beleive in intelligent design? then why did God make leprosy (Mycobacterium leprae, Hansens disease), or malaria (plasmodium)? malaria still kills millions of children each year..

those are some of the nicer diseases that kill at random... yersinea pestis (black plague), Clostridium perfringens (gas gangrene), the list goes on and on...

intelligent design? hardly...

Glass, maybe next time God will consult you before he designs the world. I simply can't believe the arrogance of anyone that thinks they know more than God.

Of course, I don't know why God designed the earth this way, but I think it's possible that there must be disease if there is going to be health. There must be night if there is going to be day. There must be black if there is going to be white.

Since you are smarter than God Glass, why not give us the answer?

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He's smarter than god, santa, the easter bunny,....and you!


News flash!!!.God is fiction!

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quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
Just curious as to your thoughts on this.

Some form of greater intellect, or more advanced than ours.

So possibly the little gray guys with the huge heads and big eyes? Ya know, the ones who keep abducting all those trailer park folk and adminster the anal probes? Maybe them? [Eek!]

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So possibly the little gray guys with the huge heads and big eyes? Ya know, the ones who keep abducting all those trailer park folk and adminster the anal probes? Maybe them?

I wonder how many more planets that we'll discover in our solar sytem over the next 10 years?

Space, the unknown frontier...

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quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
So possibly the little gray guys with the huge heads and big eyes? Ya know, the ones who keep abducting all those trailer park folk and adminster the anal probes? Maybe them?

I wonder how many more planets that we'll discover in our solar sytem over the next 10 years?

Space, the unknown frontier...

I don't think we'll be discovering anymore in our Solar System, but they have been discovering quite a few on a regular basis around other stars in our Galaxy. Mainly gas giants, like Jupiter and Saturn, but there is a new instrument they are going to put in orbit that is supposed to help detect smaller rocky planets like Earth and Mars. Should prove very interesting.

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I am a skeptic when it comes to finding other life out there, but I do not believe that the theory of it should be discriminated against.

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quote:
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if you beleive in intelligent design? then why did God make leprosy (Mycobacterium leprae, Hansens disease), or malaria (plasmodium)? malaria still kills millions of children each year..

those are some of the nicer diseases that kill at random... yersinea pestis (black plague), Clostridium perfringens (gas gangrene), the list goes on and on...

intelligent design? hardly...

Glass, maybe next time God will consult you before he designs the world. I simply can't believe the arrogance of anyone that thinks they know more than God.

Of course, I don't know why God designed the earth this way, but I think it's possible that there must be disease if there is going to be health. There must be night if there is going to be day. There must be black if there is going to be white.

Since you are smarter than God Glass, why not give us the answer?

answer? answer to what? you don't even have a question.

you quote me cliches:

I simply can't believe the arrogance of anyone that thinks they know more than God.

you are assuming that God created these diseases in specific.

i am telling you that a loving God did not and would not.

it is YOU who arrogant enough to assume that God created the world one way or another. Or that God looks like a man with a white beard.

i beleive the fundamental laws of the Universe are cohesive and represent intelligent design, but we evolved because natural selection is the only way to survive thru time, and is in fact, one of basic laws of the universe.

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PM,

You make some very suspect assumptions.

First, you assume that since you don't know something, someone must.

Although I am certain that a lot of folks know many many things you don't (particularly the great mass of things that you have demonstrated you are incapable of understanding, let alone knowing). Even so, your assumption goes beyond just assuming that what you don't know must be known by someone.

Second, you assume that anything not known or understood by you is also not known or understood by anyone human. (Now here we might enter a debate as to whether you are actually human, based on your repeated insistence on treating people in the in-human ways you profess.) Thus, your own ignorance, by your assumption, demands the existence of a god or gods (and your bigotry demands that it be your only god rather than any other).

Third, though admitting you have no hope to understand the mental workings of your illogically derived god, you also assume that your god is smarter than us, glass...in particular. (glass...surely seems to be quite intelligent. Are you also assuming your god intentionally designed him so as to be ever limited to being dumber than himself? Maybe you are wrong?)

Just because you are not as smart as your imagined deity does not mean that your irrationally created beast is smarter than glass...or Joe Blow or whoever else.

Fourth. You assume "There must be night if there is going to be day. There must be black if there is going to be white." and we can logically axtrapolate your construction to get there must be ___________ (fill it in if you can) if there is green and there must be ____________ (again) if there is air.

The absence of day is not night in a place where there is neither night or day, while the reality of each is proved by example on a beach in north Carolina. Indeed, where there is not either day or night, that absence of either grants only the same old same old that is always there.

The absence of white is not black.

The lack of light is the absence of a kind of electromagnetic radiation, which is an entirely different thing than black, which is the presence of EVERY wavelength of electromagnetic radiation or light) that we call color.

Your nonsense, that you try to make be logic is less than childish, first of all, and is rife with the blunder of ignorant falsities.

If there is a god, you are not capable of proving that and if there is not, you again are not capable of proving that.

That you BELIEVE there is a god is a purely religious preference and carries no rational weight what-so-ever.

Also, your characterizations of the interest, concerns, and abilities of such an illogically based entity is trivial and ranks only as a belief of a biased, narrow minded, loudmouthed, jerk, not facts.

5th, 6th, 7th - - -. I'm weary of this, but there remains a long list of illogical blunders you have assumed.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
So possibly the little gray guys with the huge heads and big eyes? Ya know, the ones who keep abducting all those trailer park folk and adminster the anal probes? Maybe them?

I wonder how many more planets that we'll discover in our solar sytem over the next 10 years?

Space, the unknown frontier...

I don't think we'll be discovering anymore in our Solar System, but they have been discovering quite a few on a regular basis around other stars in our Galaxy. Mainly gas giants, like Jupiter and Saturn, but there is a new instrument they are going to put in orbit that is supposed to help detect smaller rocky planets like Earth and Mars. Should prove very interesting.
Interesting article out today you guys might want to read...

Evidence found of solar system around nearby star
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081027/sc_mcclatchy/3082054#full

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quote:
Originally posted by NaturalResources:
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Originally posted by Pagan:
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Originally posted by Peaser:
So possibly the little gray guys with the huge heads and big eyes? Ya know, the ones who keep abducting all those trailer park folk and adminster the anal probes? Maybe them?

I wonder how many more planets that we'll discover in our solar sytem over the next 10 years?

Space, the unknown frontier...

I don't think we'll be discovering anymore in our Solar System, but they have been discovering quite a few on a regular basis around other stars in our Galaxy. Mainly gas giants, like Jupiter and Saturn, but there is a new instrument they are going to put in orbit that is supposed to help detect smaller rocky planets like Earth and Mars. Should prove very interesting.
Interesting article out today you guys might want to read...

Evidence found of solar system around nearby star
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081027/sc_mcclatchy/3082054#full

Thanks for the link. Definitely an interesting article.

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What I found particulary intriguing about the article was that the newly discovered solar system has an asteroid belt at roughly the exact same location as our solar system. Also, since this system is only 10.5 light years away, (basically our neighbour in cosmic terms), and is much younger than our solar system, it should be relatively easy to study, which could teach us volumes about the formation of our own solar system.

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Your nonsense, that you try to make be logic is less than childish, first of all, and is rife with the blunder of ignorant falsities.

If there is a god, you are not capable of proving that and if there is not, you again are not capable of proving that.

That you BELIEVE there is a god is a purely religious preference and carries no rational weight what-so-ever.

Also, your characterizations of the interest, concerns, and abilities of such an illogically based entity is trivial and ranks only as a belief of a biased, narrow minded, loudmouthed, jerk, not facts.

5th, 6th, 7th - - -. I'm weary of this, but there remains a long list of illogical blunders you have assumed.

Congratulations on reaching a new level of gibberish! You have mastered the art of filling an entire page with words that mean absolutely NOTHING!
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Your nonsense, that you try to make be logic is less than childish, first of all, and is rife with the blunder of ignorant falsities.

If there is a god, you are not capable of proving that and if there is not, you again are not capable of proving that.

That you BELIEVE there is a god is a purely religious preference and carries no rational weight what-so-ever.

Also, your characterizations of the interest, concerns, and abilities of such an illogically based entity is trivial and ranks only as a belief of a biased, narrow minded, loudmouthed, jerk, not facts.

5th, 6th, 7th - - -. I'm weary of this, but there remains a long list of illogical blunders you have assumed.

Congratulations on reaching a new level of gibberish! You have mastered the art of filling an entire page with words that mean absolutely NOTHING!
I have mastered the art of speaking over your head, which is the same as saying I can't manage to speak low enough to communicate with a bigoted block head.

Most anything that can be said means NOTHING to a dung beetle. It is fixated, like you, on sh-t.

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Isn't it possible that "god" or some other intelligent being, created the universe and set down some basic guidelines (Intelligent Design), and then let life run it's course, or evolve, (Darwinism), within those guidelines?

For example, the Bible claims that Adam was created from dirt. Science claims man evolved from single cell organisms. Where can you find single cell organisms? In the dirt...

It seems to me the only argument is whether this happened quickly 6000 years ago or slowly over billions of years and who's "god" was responsible...

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problem is that some people are offended at the thought they might be a monkeys uncle [Wink]

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