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1890 – Mary Ellen Lease, at a convention in Topeka, Kansas:
Wall Street owns the country. It is no longer a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, but a government of Wall Street, by Wall Street, and for Wall Street… Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags…
There are thirty men [a few hundred now] in the United States whose aggregate wealth is one and one-half billion dollars [the top 1% now hoard more wealth than the bottom 95% combined]. There are a half million looking for work [many more now] … We want money, land and transportation. We want the abolition of the National Banks…. We want the accursed foreclosure system wiped out… We will stand by our homes and stay by our firesides by force if necessary, and we will not pay our debts to the loan-shark companies until the Government pays its debts to us.
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We want money, land and transportation. We want the abolition of the National Banks…. We want the accursed foreclosure system wiped out… We will stand by our homes and stay by our firesides by force if necessary, and we will not pay our debts to the loan-shark companies until the Government pays its debts to us.
Think on that statement long and hard, Jordan...do you support it?
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: We want money, land and transportation. We want the abolition of the National Banks…. We want the accursed foreclosure system wiped out… We will stand by our homes and stay by our firesides by force if necessary, and we will not pay our debts to the loan-shark companies until the Government pays its debts to us.
Think on that statement long and hard, Jordan...do you support it?
why not? the Founders said pretty much the SAME thing SF.
do you know what the quote is from or any more of it? Do you know (for instance) that the Railroads had pretty much taken whatever they wanted from "average Amricans" up to that point?
some more of the quotes from the "Populist Party" Movement of the 1890's...
"The urban workmen are denied the right of organization for self-protection; imported pauperized labor beats down their wages; a hireling standing army . .. established to shoot them down... . The fruits of the toil of millions are boldly stolen to build up colossal fortunes. . .. From the same prolific womb of governmental injustice we breed two classes-paupers and millionaires....
gee that sounds familiar too... in fact?the future is easy to see if understand history..
"We meet in the midst of a nation brought to the verge of moral, political and material ruin. Corruption dominates the ballot box, the legislatures, the Congress, and touches even the ermine of the bench. These people are demoralized.... The newspapers are subsidized or muzzled; public opinion silenced; business prostrate, our homes covered with mortgages, labor impoverished, and the land concentrating in the hands of capitalists.
what goes around comes around... listen tot eh people aruind you? i keep hearing whispers that the end is here from all kinds of places, even people with money- and people without..
6 EST today is going to be theend according to somoe one from the Far-Right with tens of millions in the bank... it's not about the money, it's about the morality -or more specifically the lack thereof.
the end is not here, it's just a symptom that people are fed up
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For God sakes glassman! Where is your honor! The arguement isn't with the Founders. The arguement is about your own personal honor.
By your statements it sounds as if you may be found lacking, trying to push off responsibility on the past... Please clarify.
The problem now has become instead of needing protection from an Employer, we now need protection from our own Government.
Many Unions have overdone it. I mean really. A supervisor can not assist a worker in performing a task for fear of being fired as the workers control the supervisors. Come on... I worked at the post office for almost a year when I was 18. I saw a man sit at the whaling wall and separate about a 1/2 tray of mail in 6 hours. He was on the whaling wall because his sorting machine broke. For anyone who doesn't know, the whaling wall as it is called refers to a wall of slots where letters are sorted in slots by zip code. I quit the post office due to what I saw going on there, even though my grandfather ran the show so to speak.
quote:do you know what the quote is from or any more of it? Do you know (for instance) that the Railroads had pretty much taken whatever they wanted from "average Amricans" up to that point?
Actually, Glass, I did do some research on both Mary Yellin' and the Omaha Platform . Which of the two were you interested in discussing?
Whichever it is (or neither), I still wonder if you (or Jordan) understand the full significance of Mrs. Lease's statement...
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LOL... none of this stuff is new, our Founders were running from the SAME thing when they came here. The Royalty of Europe was the exact same as the Royalty of Corporate America.... It may not be genetically inherited anymore, but it is most certailny passed on to the "chosen ones", and make no mistake about this system being a meritocracy, cronyism is still the rule... If our sytem was so good? we would not have had to bail it out, and it was not the Govt that made the system fail it was the "cronys" that failed.
The Govt is not where all the "failures" are either. Only one in four businesses ever started last for 4 years.. that's not even being successful, that's just surviving for 4 years... the Govt cannot fail, and hence collects alot of deadwood... But to say that "private industry" is always a succes is just a fat lie. It's rarely ssuccessful in fact, where the Govt MUST survive,private co's fail on a constant basis...
my point to both of you is that this IS the human condition, and has been since before we even coined money.
the "rich" would still be "rich" in the absence of cash. they would still have other people working for them...
the Govt is OWNED by people like the Koch's and GE and Exxon today. It was owned by the Railroad folks in the 1890's...
our Founders specifically designed the Govt to be "overthrown" every few years because of this...
as to Honor? you are deluded if you think Honor has anything to do with accumulating wealth. Drug dealers have more moeny than most businesses...
Trump? how many bankruptcies has he done? Honor is not worth a penny in today's economy, in fact? i see it as hindrance to success. Make no mistake, i do see the Value in honor, but it si most definitley not measured in legal tender.
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as to not paying debts? In England there used to be this thing called debtors prison. The Founders conveniently left it out of the Constitution too. Seeing as how most of them were in serious debt it's not a big surprise...
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BTW? did the Rapture start or was it just another ranting of a confused right winger?
wasn't this guy the owner/founder of the American Family Radio network? Seems like that's all we get on the radio here and all they ever talk about is how bogus the global warming issue is...
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Like it or not, nearly ALL commerce is based on debt now. When we have people claiming that they WILL NOT (as opposed to CAN NOT) pay their obligations, what happens to those with money to lend? What happens to those that want to purchase something that they can't pay for immediately in cash?
That is the danger of such speach, Glass. And even more the danger of such behavior receiving anything but scorn. Hence Peaser's calling into question the honor of those that espouse or preach it.
quote:BTW? did the Rapture start or was it just another ranting of a confused right winger?
Yes, I'm currently typing this from my own private cloud.
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Confused is putting it nicely. That guy is a nut either way imo. The Bible mentions that only The Father knows the time of the rapture.
I do remember reading something to the effect on the second coming of Christ is to be 2000 years after His resurrection. Which happened about 1978 years ago. I'll have to look that up to be certain though, as I haven't yet.
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When we have people claiming that they WILL NOT (as opposed to CAN NOT) pay their obligations,
it's actually their right to choose not live up to their obligations, nobody forced the lenders to lend to them they did it knowing it was a risk.
if you look deeply into the banking system? you will find that much of the money being lent is not even in the banks, and never was.
that's how the last crash actually happened, the big banks were "leveraged" at 40 to one and even more.. that literally means they didn't have but 1/40th of the moeny they were lending...
how do they do this you ask? because they expect the payments to be on time.. as long as they keep getting the payments? the "missing money" never show up as missing...
they do this by borrowing money that is printed on demand at the Fed.. it is how the system is DESIGNED to work.
in other owrds? who is really being dishonest here SF? you seem to think that workers "exist" at the pleasure of the lenders and emplpoyers...
Abe Lincoln put it best and bluntly... Capital is created by workers, the rest of it is a bunch of people cashing in on other peoples work...
the fact that (today) you cannot exist without participating in the conomy begs the philosophical question- do people have the right to exist at all, and at what point do they have to participate in an economy that they not only did not create, but do not beleive in?
you see the conundrum? it's not about being lazy or greedy, it's about whether you think the system is good or evil... i see very few redeeming qualities to the system we have right now, or even the "idealistic" systems the "right wingers" or the "left wingers" would create if they didn't have the competition of the other side to force what both claim is this crappy system we are stuck with...
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I want to learn... So who was responsible for initiating the forgiveness of debt government program? Also, is this person dead of old age, as that is how all should die?
quote:Originally posted by Peaser: I want to learn... So who was responsible for initiating the forgiveness of debt government program? Also, is this person dead of old age, as that is how all should die?
learning is dangerous stuff Peaser.... the Feds reserved the right to Abrogate Contracts above the States. Individual states do not have the right to "cancel" a contract, but the Feds do...
that's why bankruptcy courts are Federal. i am not supporting the notion that people should file BK, but the reality is that lenders know the risk they are taking or should).
what is the "punishment"? a bad credit rating? a "bad zip cod"e to live in?
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No punishment except for namesake, that is if you are trying to move up in stature in your current line of work. If you're looking for work after filing bankruptcy... Best of Luck in your next ten years. Your credit rating actually goes up post-bk due to no indebtedness.
Most employers actually do background checks nowadays. Many folks are set up to fail because employers don't usually hire someone with a tainted past imo.
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i understand what you are saying Pease, but the Fact is Trump has two major BK's on him and i bet i can find a whole slew of BK's in his subsidiaries
yet he's "turned down the Presidency" in favor of a 50 million dollar a year entertainment career..
now tell me true Friend, and i mean this sincerely, you don't really beleive that crap they teach tha kids in schools do ya?
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