quote: A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit yesterday afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.
Phillip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party. "I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".
Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.
Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
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Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.
I hadn't heard about that one...interesting.
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A little bit of what the suit contends is the basis for ineligibility...
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, “apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.” As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham—Obama’s mother—gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth. ...
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama’s mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a “natural born” citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed “natural born,” that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama’s registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name “Barry Soetoro” and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama’s half-sister.
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If such was trure Obama never would have got to the primary.
Security from the U.S. government would have caught that right away and said no you don't qualify. And believe me that would have been one of the first things they would have checked.
If it is true good by Obama that simple no breaking the rules.
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Will be interesting to see how far this goes... Especially since it is not just some simple rumor but is actually going to court. If someone was going to find some dirt on Obama it would be the Clintons.
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the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age.
this could be a prelude to even more law suits... i beleive there's a similar issue about McCain too....
Mr McCain was born in 1936 while his father was stationed at a US military base and the Canal Zone was under American control. Although the question was examined during his first presidential bid in 2000, it has been revived as the senator heads towards the nomination.
The issue has also revived a centuries-old debate about the exact meaning of a constitutional clause laid down by the founding fathers in 1787, which declares that only a “natural-born citizen” can occupy the Oval Office.
There is little guidance in the US Constitution as to how the provision should be interpreted and debate has frequently centred on whether only those born on US soil can be considered “natural-born”.
Many experts argue that the nation’s founders could never have intended to exclude the children of those serving in the military, but as all presidents to date have been born within the 50 states there is no legal precedent.
The lawyer Theodore Olson, a former Solicitor-General and adviser to the McCain campaign, said he was fairly certain of Mr McCain’s eligibility but had not yet completed his analysis.
However Mr Olson said the plain meaning of “natural-born citizen” included those born to parents who are citizens, particularly when they are born on a US military base. “I am confident that the United States Supreme Court, should it ever address the issue, would agree,” he added.
quote:Many experts argue that the nation’s founders could never have intended to exclude the children of those serving in the military, but as all presidents to date have been born within the 50 states there is no legal precedent.
The founders never stated anything about it because they had never envisioned a time when the U.S. had bases in every country. Also tells us something of what was hoped would not happen.
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Here is what Truth or Fiction says about the ineligibility to run for president rumor but it doesn't have anything to do with the supposed lawsuit. The reason I link it is because it states that, as of 6/13/08, there had been no substantiation that the birth certificate was falsified or that he was born anywhere else.
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Truth or Fiction says FactCheck.org has a copy of the original of Obama's birth certificate and they report that there is no evidence of forgery.
Truth or Fiction also states that the idea that Obama's certificate may be a fake stated when a ****ger claiming to be a forensic computer expert posted his opinions on certificate posted on Obama's website.
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Seems to me it is a last ditch effort by a disillusioned Clintonite.
I doubt it gets any traction.
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It gets traction via the same far-fetched BS that the republican hate machine usually uses...the vile pig slop of the Coulters, the Hannitys, the Limbaughs, the RNC talking points, etc. (along with SF and PM and their slimy ilk).
(The technique was "borrowed" by the Hillary team during the primaries, which say loads about the ethics and moral fiber of that campaign, not to mention those that so eagerly vacationed from the republican party in order to ingest confusion into the democratic process and follow Hillary before November. Those, of course, never intended to actually vote in a real election except for whatever doofus the RNC instructed them to. It was and is just another attempted election rigging by the republican anti-American hate machine. We learn just how many of them there were by the pole numbers that tell us how many of Hillary's 18 million still refuse to accept the result. That percentage was never a true vote for a democratic candidate anyway. The never did intend to do anything else, other than to destroy the democratic party's primary and the stature of the eventual democratic candidate. In other words, Hilliry never actually accumulated 18 million democratic voters to be the democratic candidate in 2008 and never would have been a viable presidential candidate.)
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