How is Al (I invented the internet) Gore going to get rich if global warming is over? How is he going to move the world toward global socialism if their is no global crisis? Maybe he can run for president.
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David Whitehouse, a PhD in astrophysics who was BBC Science Correspondent from 1988 to1998, Science Editor for BBC News Online from 1998 to 2006, and the 2004 European Internet Journalist of the Year, published in an article, "The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 and every year since 2001."
that's funny dewd... those are some awesome credentials... almost as good as that weatherman on the Today show that was also Ronald McDonald....
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You don't have to be a genius to read data! I think a PhD in Astrophysics should be able to do that "dewd". Nasa has said that the ocean temperatures have not increased temperature lately either:
Link: http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/03/31/gore.environment.ap/index.html I JUST THINK ITS TO LATE. The world is growing so pollution will still grow maybe at lower rate but still grow. So whats the POINT??? Until the US decides to do something it really does not matter what any of us do. In reality saving electric is not helping the environment because the world will pollute more next year then this year!! So it does not matter!!!!!!
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When Thompson's reports of glacial recession on Kilimanjaro first emerged in 2002, the story was quickly picked up and trumpeted as another example of humans destroying nature. It's easy to see why: Ice fields in the tropics—Kilimanjaro lies about 220 miles (350 kilometers) south of the Equator—are particularly susceptible to climate change, and even the slightest temperature fluctuation can have devastating effects.
"There's a tendency for people to take this temperature increase and draw quick conclusions, which is a mistake," said Douglas R. Hardy, a climatologist at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst, who monitored Kilimanjaro's glaciers from mountaintop weather stations since 2000. "The real explanations are much more complex. Global warming plays a part, but a variety of factors are really involved."
According to Hardy, forest reduction in the areas surrounding Kilimanjaro, and not global warming, might be the strongest human influence on glacial recession. "Clearing for agriculture and forest fires—often caused by honey collectors trying to smoke bees out of their hives—have greatly reduced the surrounding forests," he says. The loss of foliage causes less moisture to be pumped into the atmosphere, leading to reduced cloud cover and precipitation and increased solar radiation and glacial evaporation.
Evidence of glacial recession on Kilimanjaro is often dated from 1912, but most scientists believe tropical glaciers began receding as early as the 1850s. Stefan L. Hastenrath, a professor of atmospheric studies at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, has found clues in local reports of a dramatic drop in East African lake levels after 1880. Lake evaporation indicates a decrease in precipitation and cloudiness around Kilimanjaro.
"Less cloud coverage lets more sunlight filter through and hit the glaciers," Hastenrath said. "That increase in sunlight then provides more energy for evaporation of the glacier."
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Don't worry OSU, everything will be alright, at least with the environment. According to the UN, cows farting are the biggest cause of greenhouse gasses. So, if you want to do something useful, eat more meat. Fewer cows, fewer farts!
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How quickly we forget that an ice shelf the size of Connecticut is hanging on by a thread (figuratively speaking) in Antarctica.
PM...supply and demand. Want to lessen the number of cows, eat less beef. Anyway, American beef spends most of its life standing in its own sh!t getting stuffed full of corn (that it isn't biologically engineered to digest) in crowded feedlots so I don't know why you'd want it anyway.
Those are the two main reasons the industry wants to irradiate your beef.
They know that corn raises the acidity of the rumen which allows bacteria to find an environment they can thrive in but the industry is too set in its ways to give the cattle three weeks of grass before slaughter (which is all that is needed to reduce the acidity in the rumen back to normal levels).
They also know that since these cattle spend over a year standing in their own sh!t and that sh!t can carry disease one might think they would take the time to make sure the cows are clean before they slaughter them. Nope...seems that they are too busy for that. But don't worry, Irradiation will kill anything that is living in the sh!t that gets into your meat during slaughter. So I'm sure its just fine...take a big ole bite.
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quote:But don't worry, Irradiation will kill anything that is living in the sh!t that gets into your meat during slaughter. So I'm sure its just fine...take a big ole bite.
More lefto propaganda. Where are all the people dying from eating beef. The media must have missed this earth-shattering story!
quote:Golbal warming is over!
What a crock its just getting started
An increasing number of scientists are speaking out about the big hoax of global warming. I believe that this latest attempt at global socialism is about to crash and burn!
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: You don't have to be a genius to read data! I think a PhD in Astrophysics should be able to do that "dewd". Nasa has said that the ocean temperatures have not increased temperature lately either:
Darn, that's another inconvenient truth for Al (I invented the internet) Gore
there's data, and then there the ability to understand how the data fits together...
remeber whne i posted all the ionosphere information? thats the important measurement. how much solar radiant heat is LEAVING the earth thru the ionosphere...
the oceans are not warming up (right now) because all that ice water is melting into them...
as for cows producing more greenhouse gas? there has always been a large "colony" of ruminants on earth to produce the CH4 gas. CH4 is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 is, but? the difference is the 80 plus million barrels of oil we burn each day.
that amounts to a net increase of greenhouse gas CO2 with a volume equivalent to the Amazon river flows at full flood, every single day of the year...
you are (being) brainwashed to believe there is only one answer to maintaining our economic integrity. in the meantime? the oil co's are basically wringing every last penny out of our economy that they can... we have no choice but to develop non carbon based energy sources, and we are running out of time.
as for "hating" Gore? that's a fools game. he's simply an ex-vice president... hating the message because of the messenger is straight out of the sandbox.
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the problem with grass "finishing" versus corn finishing is the taste.
if you don't pen the cattle pretty tight and fattent hem up? people won't buy the beef. i won't...
i choose my meat by the marbling, and before you lecture me on cholesterol? i eat a very balanced diet that includes butter (not oleo) too, and my blood cholesterol is fine...
i was amused when after twenty years of people telling us to switch to margarine, that scientists discovered oleic acids contribute heavily to circulatory plaque....
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personally I think marbling is bull hockey made up to sell meat. But that's just my O.
I'm not saying don't eat a steak. I enjoy one now and then though I am much more a chicken/turkey guy.
I'm just saying know what you are eating.
A Grass fed cow takes twice as long to get up to weight as a corn fed cow. I do understand the reasoning behind the system. But corn fed cows are almost always on the edge of being sick. The current type of feedlot operation would never work without antibiotics. Tons and tons of antibiotics. Heard about any antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria recently?? Hmmmmm...
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hmmmm antibiotics in the feed at feedlots?... that would be illegal...
Can Hormones & Antibiotics Be Used in Cattle Raising? Antibiotics may be given to prevent or treat disease in cattle. A "withdrawal" period is required from the time antibiotics are administered until it is legal to slaughter the animal. This is so residues can exit the animal's system. FSIS randomly samples cattle at slaughter and tests for residues. Data from this Monitoring Plan have shown a very low percentage of residue violations. Not all antibiotics are approved for use in all classes of cattle. However, if there is a demonstrated therapeutic need, a veterinarian may prescribe an antibiotic that is approved in other classes for an animal in a non-approved class. In this case, no detectable residues of this drug may be present in the edible tissues of the animal at slaughter.
Hormones may be used to promote efficient growth. Estradiol, progesterone, and testosterone (three natural hormones), and zeranol and trenbolone acetate (two synthetic hormones) may be used as an implant on the animal's ear. The hormone is time released, and is effective for 90 to 120 days. In addition, melengesterol acetate, which can be used to suppress estrus, or improve weight gain and feed efficiency, is approved for use as a feed additive. Not all combinations of hormones are approved for use in all classes of cattle. Hormones are approved for specific classes of animals only, and cannot be used in non-approved classes.
i eat liver and onions on occasion, but i use high grade smoked bacon to make it taste better...
my family has raised beef as a "hobby" for several generations, i have eaten plenty of grass-finished and corn finished beef..
the best turkey i have ever had was also fresh-slaughtered( like, the day before) and corn-finished... i won't even eat commercially raised turkey anymore after tasting fresh home raised turkey.. there is no comparison...
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I believe you are mistaken there Glass. It is not illegal for antibiotics to be in the feed in feedlots so long as they do not administer antibiotics to cattle that have reached the "withdrawl" time prior to slaughter.
As to the taste. I don't mind saying you won't get quite the flavor you get with corn fed beef most times. As Glass mentioned above that is mostly due to fat content. I do disagree though that it tastes like liver. A good cut well prepared can taste very good indeed.
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Also...you might think a little on all those hormones that Glass mentioned above. Where do they end up? Perhaps into the rivers and streams where fish are exhibiting mutations due to hormones?
PM...you asked about killer bacteria I believe...E.Coli would be the main culprit here.
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OK, i see we are talking about separate things, finishing, and raising in feedlots...
i don't like alot of what i have seen going on at feedlots and and even some dairies i saw in SoCali...
finishing takes about three weeks on healthy cattle.. the USDA does monitor antibiotic levels in our meat... of course, how well they (can) do their jobs has alot to do with funding, which is just another foolish issue of the "freemarket" thinkers who expect to be able to tell if they are slowly being poisoned by the food they eat, just by looking at it...
if you think beef is a problem? you should see a chicken house... you might not want to eat chicken anymore...
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Ah...you were containing your time frame to the last three weeks! I understand now.
And you are correct about chicken, I haven't purchased that "kind" of chicken since the KFC chicken barn videos came out. (Nor do I eat at KFC anymore though I do lust for a piece of extra crispy more than I thought I would.)
I just wish the organic 'industry' wasn't moving so strong. It's getting hard to know what is truly free-range and what is "free-range" as in... these chickens had access to a fenced dog kennel's worth of grass for the last three weeks of their lives which satisfies the government's requirements in order to use the phrase.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: An increasing number of scientists are speaking out about the big hoax of global warming. I believe that this latest attempt at global socialism is about to crash and burn!
you know what doesn't make sense to me? you seem to think that supporting large corporate monopolies (YES! monopolies) makes you a capitalist...
what makes capitalism a viable social tool is competition, not monopolies.
admit it, you are afraid of a truly competitive marketplace. so what if Gore gets rich by convincing the world there is a better way?
i don't like Gore or the Clintons, but i do like the idea of making money.
say you have a 20 unit apt building and each unit is spending 300$ per month on electricity?
that's 72 grand per year... YOU could be pocketing that instead of the electric company? getting green yet?
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quote:say you have a 20 unit apt building and each unit is spending 300$ per month on electricity?
that's 72 grand per year... YOU could be pocketing that instead of the electric company? getting green yet?
Tenants pay their own electric, not the landlord (or at least not this landlord).
However, I like the idea of making an extra $72K, the only problem is the upfront cost of whatever "green" system you're talking about. People would certainly be happy to "go green" if it was cost effective.
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yes, but you own the building. you can install solar and sell it right into the grid.
you are willing to go green if it can make you money. "cost effective"? LOL...
so how come it's socialism to go green? have you ever actually verified the numbers on what it would take to build solar into your buildings? or would that be too socialistic?
i bought my first computer in the 80's, it cost 2500$ and it couldn't do 1/10th what a 400$ computer can do today...
why? mass production... same thing applies to solar and wind electricity generation...
competition is being stifled and destroyed, not encouraged. and you are one of the people that attempts to "make fun of" the people trying to build a competitive system...
even if carbon emissions weren't greenhouse gases, the switch to non-carbon will be cheaper if we actually do it...
there's no economic loss, the only thing different will be where the money flows....
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it's very to similar to trading, where the "elites" don't want Joe Retail to know the regs...
They don't want folks owning their own place, much less owning an energy-independent place. That would mean a guy might tell an abusive boss or shady contractor to F-off! cuz he can simply go home and work in the garden until a real job comes along...
Robs the elite of wage slaves, basically.
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quote:They don't want folks owning their own place, much less owning an energy-independent place. That would mean a guy might tell an abusive boss or shady contractor to F-off! cuz he can simply go home and work in the garden until a real job comes along...
Robs the elite of wage slaves, basically.
Tex,
Repeat after me:
I am not a victim. I am not a victim. I am not a victim. I am not a victim. I am not a victim.
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Glass, I don't think it's socialism to go green. In fact, I would be very happy to have solar or wind power for my apartment buildings. However, it MUST be no more expensive than traditional power. I'm in business to make money, not be an environmental wacko.
I think you've missed Al Gore's bigger plan. The socialists are using the global warming hoax to increase global socialism - that's their goal, and they're making great progress!
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I'll agree that Al Gore has a socialist agenda PM, if you agree that Bush with full knowledge invaded a country that didn't have WMD's and had nothing to do with 9-11 to fulfill his own personal agenda rather than trying to get justice for the victims of the Twin Towers.
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please explain, cuz what i see is that money flow will change direction, that's all.. i remember when we used DOS computers. the money flow changed direction with Windows, and we all benefited.
the fact is we are dealing with a monopoly, and since the dergulation rules had the opposite effect from what the politicians that enacted them intended? we are seeing runaway infaltion.
how much research have you actually done to determine whether you can make money or not?
seems to me you spend all your time trying find articles that say global warming is a hoax instead of acknowledging that we have a serious economic problem regardless of whether the environment is in danger or not... (it is)
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quote:seems to me you spend all your time trying find articles that say global warming is a hoax instead of acknowledging that we have a serious economic problem regardless of whether the environment is in danger or not...
I wholeheartedly agree that we have serious economic problems, which require economically viable solutions (as opposed to the ethanol fiasco). The problem is that no one wants to change. Wind power could be an excellent, but Ted Kennedy doesn't want it anywhere he might sail his yacht. Nuclear power is safe and clean, but regulatory obstacles make it economically impossible to build new ones. Solar might be a good idea, but I don't see them popping up everywhere. From some of the things I've read, electric cars are a big joke. They create enormous pollution to build and you're still burning some fossil fuel when you plug them in at night. Let's face it, there is probably nothing we can do to fix this problem without some special interest group (like Ted Kennedy and his rich sailing buddies) being against it. And in America, EVERYONE must be happy because only a few wackos can stop any project.
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see, you are doing it again, i could give a ratzazz what Ted Kennedy wants or doesn't want, it won't put electricity in your outlet from Marthas Vineyard anyway...
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