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Photo radar operator shot dead on Arizona freeway Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:04am EDT PHOENIX (Reuters) - A gunman has shot dead a photo radar operator on a busy freeway near Phoenix, police said on Monday.
Police officers were called to the radar enforcement vehicle after reports of gunfire late on Sunday, and they found the employee shot several times, the Arizona Department of Public Safety said in a news release.
The victim, 51, was taken to a local hospital, where he died from his gunshot wounds, the department said. He worked for RedFlex Traffic Systems Inc., which has a contract with DPS to operate photo radar vehicles on the state's highways.
Police said they were treating the shooting as a homicide and were searching for a man driving a white Chevrolet Suburban, a popular SUV.
Arizona is the first U.S. state to implement a state-wide photo radar system, though similar programs have been used in other countries.
(Reporting by Tim Gaynor, Editing by Paul Simao)
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: contracting law enforcement? stoopid chit.
How long before Blackwater USA, or whatever they call themselves now, becomes a "private security contractor" for law enforcement. Scary chit!
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Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with private law enforcement contracting the fact of the matter is an innocent person was killed for no good reason... your condemning the victim and that is appalling. If it was a cop who was shot for that same job we would be giving our hearts out to the cops' family. But since it was not a cop doing that job we condemn the person? That is f*cked up.
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Where did you come up with anyone "condemning the victim" from previous posts?
Glass was merely condemning the practice of farming out law enforcement..Pagan was following suit and Tex was talking about a frigging TV show...
What kinda sh!t are you on Mach?
by criticizing the contracting of law enforcement... it does not matter who was running the radar... whether an actual cop or a private contractor... a life was lost... is that something you do not get Retired?...
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well Mach? if it had been a cop? we might have a dead perp.
instead? we have some poor sap that got into a job that was obviously over his head.
and no i'm not one to cry over every lost life in this world. for all we know the guy's hobby was child porn, and that was some victim or relative of a victim that dropped him...
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contracting out law enforcement is evil in several ways.
when profit motivates enforcement? peoples rights are for sale.
then you have the obvious lack proper authority and oversight.
you should take a look a the bounty hunter laws in this country. they are ghastly. i considered doing it seriously, but my wife said she would have to leave me if i put her under that kind of stress, so i didn't. a person out on bail signs his her rights away. the "thing" is? they are also signing away the rights of everyone that has the least bit to do with them.
private jails are an abomination. as proven by the judge(s) that was taking kickbacks for sending juvies to them
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Glass you wanted to be a bail enforcement agent that is a tough life and you are not very much liked. Your wife was right ok for a single person but she ain't no life for a family man. I do know a few of them and it surprises me the relationships they have with law enforcement all over the country some even in Mexico and Canada.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: well Mach? if it had been a cop? we might have a dead perp.
instead? we have some poor sap that got into a job that was obviously over his head.
and no i'm not one to cry over every lost life in this world. for all we know the guy's hobby was child porn, and that was some victim or relative of a victim that dropped him...
A cop would of been taken out as well because from what i gather it happened to quickly for anyone to have reacted. Job over his head? He was a radar operator... geesh... and no you don't have to cry over every life but he probably had wife and kids and you should at least feel sympathy for their lost because if not then you have no compassion or humanity left...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: well Mach? if it had been a cop? we might have a dead perp.
instead? we have some poor sap that got into a job that was obviously over his head.
and no i'm not one to cry over every lost life in this world. for all we know the guy's hobby was child porn, and that was some victim or relative of a victim that dropped him...
A cop would of been taken out as well because from what i gather it happened to quickly for anyone to have reacted. Job over his head? He was a radar operator... geesh... and no you don't have to cry over every life but he probably had wife and kids and you should at least feel sympathy for their lost because if not then you have no compassion or humanity left...
lol...I think the Glassy-eyed One got too hot in da shop...
Of course the guy shouldn't have been shot, and of course the family deserves compassion.
But GEB's other point is well taken, also: civilians shouldn't be doing law enforcement work. Too dangerous...
quote:Originally posted by glassman: well Mach? if it had been a cop? we might have a dead perp.
instead? we have some poor sap that got into a job that was obviously over his head.
and no i'm not one to cry over every lost life in this world. for all we know the guy's hobby was child porn, and that was some victim or relative of a victim that dropped him...
A cop would of been taken out as well because from what i gather it happened to quickly for anyone to have reacted. Job over his head? He was a radar operator... geesh... and no you don't have to cry over every life but he probably had wife and kids and you should at least feel sympathy for their lost because if not then you have no compassion or humanity left...
look carefully Mach i said MIGHT. furthermore i can tell you straight up that a cop would not have been taken by surprise where a civilian would.
as a repoman? i expected any car that was behind me for more than a couple short blocks to be an unhappy customer from the past looking for payback. all cops get this going on too. they know they make enemies, heck they like the fact, it makes them feel the way they want to or they would quit the job very quickly.
as for my callousness? 825 people out of every hundred thousand die every year. i don't have time to get all choked up for each one. that's just barely under 1%...
law enforcement is a tough job. i don't consider them my buds just cuz they are cops, but they have my respect.
i took an oath when joined the military. cops take an oath, that means something to me and i expect it to mean something to others. "private" law enforcement is not about protecting and serving. it's about a paycheck and there's no oath.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: look carefully Mach i said MIGHT. furthermore i can tell you straight up that a cop would not have been taken by surprise where a civilian would.
as a repoman? i expected any car that was behind me for more than a couple short blocks to be an unhappy customer from the past looking for payback. all cops get this going on too. they know they make enemies, heck they like the fact, it makes them feel the way they want to or they would quit the job very quickly.
as for my callousness? 825 people out of every hundred thousand die every year. i don't have time to get all choked up for each one. that's just barely under 1%...
law enforcement is a tough job. i don't consider them my buds just cuz they are cops, but they have my respect.
i took an oath when joined the military. cops take an oath, that means something to me and i expect it to mean something to others. "private" law enforcement is not about protecting and serving. it's about a paycheck and there's no oath.
Sorry Glass, but you are not being impartial due to your past (military etc.). Saying that no one can sneak up on a cop or catch them offguard is not realistic.There was a famous case in NYC of a cop who was killed who was taken by surprise. Perhaps you remember it:
As for cops protecting and serving with Oath and no monetary consideration. Nassau and Suffolk cops in Long Island NY make the most $$ of all cops in the U.S. for relatively no work because of low crime compared to urban areas like NYC. And it's low crime not because of the police but because it's suburbia and not urban:
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Saying that no one can sneak up on a cop or catch them offguard is not realistic.
i didn't say THAT. and you can go back a nd see th eword might in there for crying out loud.
i said might, and i meant might.
and i know for fact that cops and the military and other hunters become much more aware. that's a large part of why we do it.
i chose glass blowing for much the same reason. my awareness of my surroundings expands when i am working it. it isn ot really explainable to anyone who hasn't experienced it.
as fro the Oaths? if they mean nothing to you then i am disappointed. i won't lose sleep over it tho, cuz i know that the Oaths meant Nada to Dick and Dubya too... they mean something to enough people that we go thru the motions (if nothing else) anyway.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: look carefully Mach i said MIGHT. furthermore i can tell you straight up that a cop would not have been taken by surprise where a civilian would.
You said the perp MIGHT be dead but right after that you said straight up a cop WOULD NOT be taken by surprise. And I showed you with the Pappy Mason case cops CAN be taken by surprise.
As for the so called "Oath" as pertaining to NY at least I showed you that cops in the NYPD who transfer to the Nassau/Suffolk County police forces are not doing it for the "oath" but more for the money as the N/S County Police are the highest paid cops in the country and also some of the safest neighborhoods. Now if the "oath" meant something to these people they would stay in the NYPD where it is not money motivated and there is high crime therefor cops are more needed there to "protect & Serve". Wouldn't you think so?
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WOULD NOT be taken by surprise. And I showed you with the Pappy Mason case cops CAN be taken by surprise.
"where a civilian would" is called a qualifier.
go ask a cop, any cop. they are not superhuman not invulnerable. but i stand by what i said, in the real world, cops and certain others i mentioned will not be taken by surpise in an overwhelming number of cases where civvies would. this is just common sense.
they still became cops for a reason. they stayed cops for a reason. that's the oath, and i know not all of them give two chits about it. but most do. there's plenty of other jobs they can do, and for more money.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: WOULD NOT be taken by surprise. And I showed you with the Pappy Mason case cops CAN be taken by surprise.
"where a civilian would" is called a qualifier.
go ask a cop, any cop. they are not superhuman not invulnerable. but i stand by what i said, in the real world, cops and certain others i mentioned will not be taken by surpise in an overwhelming number of cases where civvies would. this is just common sense.
they still became cops for a reason. they stayed cops for a reason. that's the oath, and i know not all of them give two chits about it. but most do. there's plenty of other jobs they can do, and for more money.
You did not say Overwhelmingly... your original post pretty much said ALL though your backtracking now... you put your foot in your mouth and at least admit that now... and a "radar operator" hardly is a dangerous job for a cop or civie to do... i wouldn't be surprised if this is the only case of one being murdered. Until the full story and motive about this senseless killing comes out we will not know for sure and anything you or I say is just opinion and not fact.
Most become cops for a reason and that is true. That reason is because most are not braniacs and can't do anything else. Yes some if not most do it to "protect and serve" but the real reason is they also aren't too bright to do anything else. They are brave no doubt but let's be honest the regular beat cop is not much in the brains department. So they do what they know best. Brawn. The ones who stand out and excel of course are the detectives and upper ranks.
They stayed cops for a reason. Yes they did, because again they know nothing else except brawn (except the detectives and administrative ones). And let's also be honest, one major incentive and factor they stay as cops is their pensions after 20 years. It is quite attractive. If you survive of course. And as for Nassau/Suffolk cops, we'll they stay as cops because of the pensions and let's face it 6 FIGURE INCOMES.
So no, it's not about the f*cking oath any more so when we say the Lords' Prayer at dinner or whatever and do not mean it or follow it nor care about it. Like when you testify in a criminal trial and put your hand on a Bible before you do. You do it because it's required, nothing else.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: your original post pretty much said ALL though your backtracking now... you put your foot in your mouth and at least admit that now...
no i'm not backtracking Mach, and quite frankly you are being a baby.
i said might i meant might and i stand by might, and i think yo are being odd to keep this up.
Keep this up?. That is what a debate or discussion is. We each post replies to each other. If you do not wish to continue this topic then you are the one who should not "keep this up". I am quite frankly shocked you would call me a baby for voicing my opinion on something i believe in. Something that you do over and over constantly. 29,000 posts vs my 4,000 posts. someone keep these things up more then me.
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I am quite frankly shocked you would call me a baby for voicing my opinion on something i believe in.
i called you that because you accused me of backtracking and i assure you that that it is your opinion only, and it is not a worthwhile opinion- hows that instead of calling you a baby?
i don't like contractors fighting for US and i don't like contractors doing public law enforcement. i am fine with private security protecting private events/property. i've even done private security and collections for money myself. it's not the same as law enforcement and i know that form personal experience.
was that contractor wearing a kevlar vest? i doubt it.. a cop would have been. case closed IMO
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i feel sorry for people whose lives are devoid of all romance.
do you think people who (try to)save endangered species are "doing it for the money"? i know better.
this argument the "anti-green" peopple make about people getting rich off "going green" is lame for the same reason. we all need money to live, but nobody i repeat NOBODY "needs" money to be happy, beyond staying healthy and alive.
Art is the proper task of life. Friedrich Nietzsche
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: i called you that because you accused me of backtracking and i assure you that that it is your opinion only, and it is not a worthwhile opinion- hows that instead of calling you a baby?
I said backtracked because you first said pretty much all cops and then after I pointed it out you went back to say "might". That is backtracking. You were flip flopping like Kerry, Guiliani and others on the campaign trail. As for my opinion not being worthwhile, well that is just an opinion itself. And if it wasn't worthwhile you would not reply to it in the first place.
quote:i don't like contractors fighting for US and i don't like contractors doing public law enforcement. i am fine with private security protecting private events/property. i've even done private security and collections for money myself. it's not the same as law enforcement and i know that form personal experience.
I think what you don't like is someone taking the job away of a soldier/cop and their paychecks much in the same way Banks outsource to India for Cust Serv Reps and not so much their training because alot of them are just as much trained in what they do. One thing you forget about Blackwater is most if not all are ex-soldiers, just to use an example. Not that I agree about mercernaries in overseas conflicts only because they tend to go above the law and make us look bad in the process. But a radar operator is not doing any such thing nor do they (whether cop or private) expecting to be put in a dangerous situation. They are only clock cars' speeds at a safe distance.
quote:was that contractor wearing a kevlar vest? i doubt it.. a cop would have been. case closed IMO
Contrary to you and others' beliefs, not all cops wear those vests much less so ones that are looking to give speeding tickets.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: we all need money to live, but nobody i repeat NOBODY "needs" money to be happy, beyond staying healthy and alive.
Speak for yourself and not others with that statement because money can and does bring happiness. Knowing I do not have to worry about where the money will come to pay the next mortgage or whatever bill does take a load off my mind therefor makes me happy. That is a need imo. There are other examples.
As for money being happiness healthwise, I found this interesting article:
that's part of staying healthy and alive in my book.
i have known plenty of miserable rich people and i also happen to know that most lottery winners go bankrupt. know why? they didn't earn it, and they don't deserve it.
that's because money is nothing. it is simply representative of what you can accomplish.
gamblers take money from each other.
i never play poker with my friends. if i sit down at the table with you? you are not my friend and you surely won't be by the end of the game if you were,
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i doubt it. discs are like shock absorbers.
i learned a nasty little secret a few years back too.. discs have fluids in them that leak out and the fluids are neurotxoins.
docs can look a the MRI andsee that the disc is not actually pressing on the spinal cord at the time of the picture and they can still be causing pain due to the fluids leaking out. it's just life as we know it.
i get anything from migraines to spasms from it, and i've found that the more active i am, the less it hurts. but someday? i won't be able to be active enough. i just hope a can find enough of the right pain meds when that happens cuz i'll pull the pin myself
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