Bet you $20 you did not hear this on the national news.
The animals pictured below; car-jacked, then raped Christopher Newsom, cut off his *****, then set him on fire and fatally shot him several times while they forced his girlfriend, Channon Christian, to watch. An even more cruel fate awaited her!
Channon Christian, was beaten and gang-raped in many ways for four days by all of them, while they took turns urinating on her. Then they cut off her breast and put chemicals in her mouth ... and then murdered her.
Dozens of New Charges in Double Murder Case Announced Posted: 5:05 PM Feb 1, 2007. Last Updated: 11:40 AM Feb 8, 2007. Reporter: Whitney Daniel, WVLT Staff
Knoxville (WVLT) - The District Attorney General of Knox County announced the list of charges facing now five suspects in the double murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.
The District Attorney General Randy Nichols is not saying whether or not he will seek the death penalty, but he does say the State will seek conviction for all charges filed in a 24-page indictment from the Knox County Grand Jury.
Lemaricus Davidson, 25, faces a total of 46 charges. Davidson was indicted on 16 counts of Felony Murder growing out of rape, robbery kidnapping and theft of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, 2 counts premeditated murder of Christian and Newsom, 2 counts especially aggravated robberies from Christian and Newsom, 4 counts especially aggravated kidnapping of Christian and Newsom, 20 counts aggravated rape of Christian and Newsom, and 2 counts of theft from Christian and Newsom.
Letalvis Cobbins, 24, faces a total of 46 charges. Cobbins was indicted on 16 counts of Felony Murder growing out of rape, robbery kidnapping and theft of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, 2 counts premeditated murder of Christian and Newsom, 2 counts especially aggravated robberies from Christian and Newsom, 4 counts especially aggravated k! idnappi ng of Christian and Newsom, 20 counts aggravated rape of Christian and Newsom, and 2 counts of theft from Christian and Newsom.
George Thomas, 24, faces a total of 46 charges. Thomas was indicted on 16 counts of Felony Murder growing out of rape, robbery kidnapping and theft of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, 2 counts premeditated murder of Christian and Newsom, 2 counts especially aggravated robberies from Christian and Newsom, 4 counts especially aggravated kidnapping of Christian and Newsom, 20 counts aggravated rape of Christian and Newsom, and 2 counts of theft from Christian and Newsom.
Just last night, police in Lebanon , Kentucky , arrested 18-year-old Vanessa Coleman. She faces 40 Tennessee state charges. Coleman was indicted on 12 counts Felony Murder growing out of rape, robbery kidnapping and theft of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, 1 count Premeditated Murder of Christian only, 1 count Especially Aggravated Robbery of Newsom only, 4 counts especially aggravated kidnapping of Christia n and Newsom, 20 counts of aggravated rape of Christian and Newsom and 2 Counts of theft from Christian and Newsom.
Eric Boyd, 24, also arrested in connection with the fatal carjacking, only faces federal charges as an accessory after the fact. He was not indicted by Knox county grand jury.
Felony Murder carries a possibility of death, life without the possibility of parole and life with parole. Especially Aggravated Robbery is a Class A felony that carries a possibility of 15 to 60 years in prison. Aggravated Rape is a Class A felony that carries a possibility of 15 to 60 years of prison.
At a news conference Thursday, Nichols commended the cooperative efforts between several departments and credits that cooperation for the fast pace this case is moving through the court system.
Nichols says he hopes to move the case to trial on thefirst day it's set.
The four are expected to make their first court appearance within ten to fifteen days.
This is certainly a case garnering a lot of public interest, Nichols recognizes that and says he expects all kinds of requests filed in this case, including a change of venue in order to receive a fair trial. But he says he does hope 12 Knox County jurors will be able to determine the guilt or innocence of these suspects.
Where be the Revs Al and Jesse? Are they providing counsel and help to the families of the victims?
Of course not - the victims were white
Why hasn't this received National coverage by the news media like the Duke "rape" case?
Oh, that's right - the victims were white
Why hasn't the NAACP, ACLU, New York Times etc., called for an investigation?
Must be cause the victims were white
Why hasn't the FBI been called in to investigate this as a hate crime? Oh, t hat's right - the victims were white"
So, if a white news radio jock uses the phrase "Nappy headed", it gets 2 weeks of constant news coverage.
If two white people are tortured, raped, and murdered by a group of black people, it barely gets a blip in the news.
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uni, you are sticking your nose in it again.
You are in the minority and in the extreme too.
Face it. You arn't going to convert us all to be simple minded far rightwing puppets of the the White House.
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I have no intention of trying to "convert" any of you. There are plenty of people on here that agree with me and just decide not to post because of the attack they will get from you and people like you. I could care less.
Jesse Jackson? Where are you? Yea I thought so!
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: uni, you are sticking your nose in it again.
You are in the minority and in the extreme too.
Face it. You arn't going to convert us all to be simple minded far rightwing puppets of the the White House.
Actually Urnso is correct and you are not that this case should get equal coverage in the media etc. as a crime committed against a black person does... and I am far from right wing as I am registered to vote as a Liberal Democrat and my views are as such. There is a double standard when it comes to race in this country and shame on you Bdgee for being a part of it.
But on the flipside, I think this case didn't garner much attention because it is in a less populated state. If it was in NY, CA and other such states I think it would. Just a possible answer but by no means the only answer.
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Quote by Mach: I am registered to vote as a Liberal Democrat and my views are as such.
You had to register for that specificaly, kind of like I had to register for hand gun ownership. Is that cause both are dangerous. LOL, I kid of course but it was right there for the taking. I am just plain registered to vote. I think the actions above are dispicable and the perp's should be punished to the full extent of the law.
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no offense taken Cotton... at least I can debate with you reasonably because your not delusional... but as for registering... at least as I can remember in the past (i might be way older then you) they gave you a list of political parties to check when you registered to vote.. I suppose that was to get literature in the mail from whichever party you registered or checked off on...
But anyways you didn't mentioned if this case should get equal attention from the media like a case when a black person is gang raped and murdered? ... Just want to hear your views and not some rant/raves like our resident delusional board member...
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Dont get me started. This was front page news for a while up here. there was an opposite case in which a white kid (Nick Minucci) used a baseball bat to beat a guy who not olny robbed his friend but ADMITTED they were there looking for a car to steal. Jury found him guilty and he is now serving a fifteen year sentence because he uttered the "N" word while delivering street justice.
The fact that Mr.Minucci listened to rap music and often used the N word(like other kids), dated a black girl and had a subscription to "Source" magazine didnt seem to convince the jury that he wasnt a racist.
His lawyer focused on "justification" as the linchpin of his defense, reminding jurors that Moore and friends Richard Pope and Richard Walker were in Howard Beach to steal.
"You have a legal right to use reasonable physical force to prevent someone from committing a larceny," he said. "It's as plain as the nose on your face or the color of your skin that [Moore] was there to commit a crime. ... He's not a victim, he's a thief."
Pope, an ex-con whom prosecutors said yesterday had recently been arrested on a weapons charge in Connecticut, is slated to take the stand today. He has admitted to cops that he, Moore and Walker were in Howard Beach to steal a car.
A few months later in a small article, 4 black men beat a Hasidic man while yelling racial slurs. No follow up stories
Few weeks after that a jewish man was chased into traffic by a small gang of "african american" while they yelled "get the jew". resulting in the man being struck by a car.....No follow up
A 101 YEAR OLD WOMAN!! was mugged and beaten. and he had mugged an 85 year old woman earlier that day. While it was a big story in the news while the guy was still at large, once they caught him.....no follow up
Ahh heck I bet you guys down south even seen the "Nick Minucci" case at some point. It was almost annoying to watching every day, one punk getting lambasted for beating another punk.
Point of my story....The media is slanted, even afraid to publish the real news worthy "BIASED CRIMES"
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Actually, I didn't say uni was right or wrong and certainly didn't venture my evaluation of that case.
Uni came a heap closer in understanding what I was saying, as you can see by his reply. He wasn't dead center right on button right but he at least was right and hit the jacket the button was on. (I worked hard to manage to call him right without labeling him so. LOL)
Thank you....
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Urnso, You are correct. I am SURE that more feel the same way you do but many have been so insulted by some that they do not even bother to respond. It is like banging their head against a brick wall. You can be absolutely certain that you will not see the ACLU, Jackson, or Sharpton weighing in on this one...There is without a doubt a double standard. This should not even be an issue of party but of fairness and outrage..
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The only problem is if "Caucasians" had a version of Jesse and AL...they would be labeled as Racists, KKK etc, and the same would go for anybody who aligned themselves with them.
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I keep hearing the same mistakes over and over.
Simply because you can't or don't understand others or their opinions DOES NOT make those opinion wrong or illegal or un-American.
Simply because some cause is not popular or you think it is not popular DOES NOT make that cause wrong or illegal or un-American.
(All too often that "public opinion" being put forth as reason to choose one side ot another is nothing more than a call for pack instinct or herd mentality to overcome reason and thought.)
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CHARLES Barkley thinks Don Imus should have been suspended, but not fired, for insulting the Rutgers women’s basketball team. On last night’s “Boomer Esiason Show” on MSG, the NBA star said, “It was an insult to those young ladies. . . . He owed them an apology. I think a suspension was warranted.” Barkley criticized civil rights leaders for ignoring Imus’ insults against Jews, Asians and others. “Anytime something happens, you [media] guys have a magnet on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, like they speak for all black people . . . which is unfortunate and unfair. Al and Jesse have said racist things before. I don’t think you can have selective prosecution . . . that’s not right, that’s not fair
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Yep, Barkley has said some really good and right things.....and some really bad and wrong ones too.
Right or wrong (he's politically way right, he says) at least he is enough of an American to understnad it is his right to say them and be right or wrong.
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Heres a clip from Bill Mahers show 4 days ago. this clip is of him interviewing rap mogul Russell Simmons. Russell has been making headlines latley for his about-face on the use of the words Nigga,Ho,and Bltch...but if you watch the interview, he was there to promote his book and at one point refered to the publisher as a NIGGA...then watch him stutter and catch himself...then bill even addresses the use
I like Russell he's made billions of the rap game...but dont try and come out now and squash the only three words the music has to offer on mainstream radio...AND THEN SLIP AND USE THE WORD YOURSELF!!!
....old habits die hard....
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My point of Barkleys quote had nothing to due with Barkley himself...it was just to make a point that not all black people are behind "the good revernd and jess....definetly not the smarter people
“Anytime something happens, you [media] guys have a magnet on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, like they speak for all black people . . . which is unfortunate and unfair. Al and Jesse have said racist things before. I don’t think you can have selective prosecution . . . that’s not right, that’s not fair
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I never suspected otherwise on your thoughts of Barkley.
Can't go along with the wish to transplant intellegence in the right, though. That is contrary to ALL the studies.
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WO WO WOOOOOOOO..... I dont know how true this is but....
(Knoxville) - St. Nicolas Thief, president and founder of Black Poverty Speaks, along with many local Knoxville blacks who live in the Washington Pike area has organized a social action protest celebration championing Lemaricus Davidson and Letalvis Cobbins.
Davidson and Cobbins are the brothers and two of the five suspects charged in the carjacking, kidnapping, rape and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.
"We're coordinating the celebration to to jive with the march angry whites are planning in memory of the victims and because of the 'media black-out' they note the case is receiving from national news networks," Thief, who is currently stationed in Knoxville, said. "We're celebrating underprivileged Knoxville blacks who victimize privileged Knoxville whites," he added.
"If you come down here, you're either visiting someone or you're buying drugs," said, Misty Boshears, 31, who lives near Washington Pike. "I'm shocked, but I'm not shocked," of Christian and Newsom's murders, Boshears said. "I don't allow my girl to play outside because of the danger."
Another neighbor, Carl Hunley, who lives next door to the house where Christian's body was found, said three weeks prior to Christian's body being discovered, there was a drive-by shooting at the house.
"These are the kinds of communities we live in all throughout this country," St. Nicolas Thief said. "These communities are the legacies of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade.
"That whites' ancestors and the government hasn't and doesn't educate whites on how the legacy of slavery has created the impoverished conditions that do continue to influence and trap our people doesn't mean we have to excuse their ignorance.
"There's going to be a party in Knoxville and America everytime black poverty speaks and privileged whites suffer."
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Actually, I didn't say uni was right or wrong and certainly didn't venture my evaluation of that case.
Uni came a heap closer in understanding what I was saying, as you can see by his reply. He wasn't dead center right on button right but he at least was right and hit the jacket the button was on. (I worked hard to manage to call him right without labeling him so. LOL)
Thank you....
Instead of you attacking him because he doesn't agree with your politics why not say Uni was right or wrong with this topic and give your reasons why? ... You seem to do that all the time to everyone at one point or another. And contrary to belief... left wing and right wing can agree on some issues... and to call him a extreme right winger when you yourself are on the way extreme left is funny lol ...
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quote:Originally posted by rimasco: WO WO WOOOOOOOO..... I dont know how true this is but....
(Knoxville) - St. Nicolas Thief, president and founder of Black Poverty Speaks, along with many local Knoxville blacks who live in the Washington Pike area has organized a social action protest celebration championing Lemaricus Davidson and Letalvis Cobbins.
Davidson and Cobbins are the brothers and two of the five suspects charged in the carjacking, kidnapping, rape and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom.
"We're coordinating the celebration to to jive with the march angry whites are planning in memory of the victims and because of the 'media black-out' they note the case is receiving from national news networks," Thief, who is currently stationed in Knoxville, said. "We're celebrating underprivileged Knoxville blacks who victimize privileged Knoxville whites," he added.
"If you come down here, you're either visiting someone or you're buying drugs," said, Misty Boshears, 31, who lives near Washington Pike. "I'm shocked, but I'm not shocked," of Christian and Newsom's murders, Boshears said. "I don't allow my girl to play outside because of the danger."
Another neighbor, Carl Hunley, who lives next door to the house where Christian's body was found, said three weeks prior to Christian's body being discovered, there was a drive-by shooting at the house.
"These are the kinds of communities we live in all throughout this country," St. Nicolas Thief said. "These communities are the legacies of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade.
"That whites' ancestors and the government hasn't and doesn't educate whites on how the legacy of slavery has created the impoverished conditions that do continue to influence and trap our people doesn't mean we have to excuse their ignorance.
"There's going to be a party in Knoxville and America everytime black poverty speaks and privileged whites suffer."
If this story is true and the quotes accurate... nice... advocate murder in the name of poverty and the supposed past history that cause it ...
I'm hispanic and hispanics by nature are just as poor as blacks but we never come up with excuses for criminal acts because of past history that has to do with the white population... poverty is poverty... what can you do... you get a education and pick yourself up and above... Many blacks have done it with a education, sports, entertainment etc... none of them imo have said that slavery that happened 150+ years ago is the cause of poverty and crime in this country...
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Actually, I didn't say uni was right or wrong and certainly didn't venture my evaluation of that case.
Uni came a heap closer in understanding what I was saying, as you can see by his reply. He wasn't dead center right on button right but he at least was right and hit the jacket the button was on. (I worked hard to manage to call him right without labeling him so. LOL)
Thank you....
Instead of you attacking him because he doesn't agree with your politics why not say Uni was right or wrong with this topic and give your reasons why? ... You seem to do that all the time to everyone at one point or another. And contrary to belief... left wing and right wing can agree on some issues... and to call him a extreme right winger when you yourself are on the way extreme left is funny lol ...
Oh, do as you say, not like you do, ya mean.
Hate to tell ya, Mach..., but I'm one of them that pee-cup drivin gun toat'n southurn supporters of the 2nd......sort of a bottom line state's righter......
Quoting the owner of one of the largest truck lines in the country, at the time, who had to quit school after the 6th grade, when ask about his opinion of a tax to up teacher's pay, "College sho haz ruint a Hell of a lota good truck drivers."
Ain't it hell what some book larnin is doin to conservatism?
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Nope, she was partial to my brother. He was special in many many ways.
Maybe no one told you you are special.
They say a kitten that grew up without some comforting from humans will never be cuddly or affectionate toward them and will assume that, any human that can, is eager to attack and hurt him and, as a result, he will attack them first.
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quote:Originally posted by urnso77: Where be the Revs Al and Jesse? Are they providing counsel and help to the families of the victims?
Of course not - the victims were white
Why hasn't this received National coverage by the news media like the Duke "rape" case?
Oh, that's right - the victims were white
Why hasn't the NAACP, ACLU, New York Times etc., called for an investigation?
Must be cause the victims were white
Why hasn't the FBI been called in to investigate this as a hate crime? Oh, t hat's right - the victims were white"
So, if a white news radio jock uses the phrase "Nappy headed", it gets 2 weeks of constant news coverage.
If two white people are tortured, raped, and murdered by a group of black people, it barely gets a blip in the news.
that's pretty sad Urn...
these guys will most likely get the death penalty, however? you've fallen prey, at partially to, an internet hoax;
Similarly, claims made over the Internet that the couple were sexually mutilated are ``absolutely not true,'' John Gill, special assistant to District Attorney Randy Nichols, said Friday.
Household cleaner had been poured in her mouth to remove evidence, according to court records.
that's after the death URN...
Christian's father, Gary Christian, wore a Confederate flag T-shirt to the first hearing for one of the defendants and then pointed at the man as if firing a gun. But family lawyer Joe Costner said Channon Christian's parents have repeatedly said they do not believe their daughter's killing was race-related.
the Chief of Police is the one who makes the call on the FBI..
Police Chief Sterling Owen said: "We have no evidence to support the notion that this was a race-based crime. We see this as a cold-blooded murder."
calling in the FBI is more about "turf" than anything else..
hate crime laws are there to prosecute in a Federal Jurisdiction after localities FAIL to prosecute effectively...
there have been plenty of cases where people get off for murder LOCALLY and then the Feds come in LATER and prosecute for hate crimes, which carry lesser penalties. in other words? why bother with a hate crime prosecution when you got enough to hang 'em already??
read this to find out why Federal hate crimes were enacated:
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OK, so it wasn't a race-based crime, but the good people and the media are certainly turning into one now aren't they? This may very well have been a good old fashion, run of the mill, double homicide (if there is such a thing) but any time there is a crime of this magnitude committed by a person of one race on a person of another race, that crime "becomes" race related (as sad as it may be).
I mean, cripes, a party celebrating the murders or murderers because they are black and the victoms were white, cmon now... so much for working towards an end to racism. That is driving a pretty big wedge into the community, if not the country if this were to make national headlines.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Nope, she was partial to my brother. He was special in many many ways.
Maybe no one told you you are special.
They say a kitten that grew up without some comforting from humans will never be cuddly or affectionate toward them and will assume that, any human that can, is eager to attack and hurt him and, as a result, he will attack them first.
Ironic for you to accuse me of attacking people first when you did just that in this thread with the OP....
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Nope, she was partial to my brother. He was special in many many ways.
Maybe no one told you you are special.
They say a kitten that grew up without some comforting from humans will never be cuddly or affectionate toward them and will assume that, any human that can, is eager to attack and hurt him and, as a result, he will attack them first.
Ironic for you to accuse me of attacking people first when you did just that in this thread with the OP.... :rolleyes:
First, let me explain that I have no idea what " OP" is? ? ? ? ?
Now, let's try this again:
No one attacked you ! ! !
What I did was disagree with your insistance that people in our society (actually, you restricted it to "this board") are duty bound to interfere with another culture whenever some practice of their culture is not accepted by ours and then to go on and say that anyone in our culture that did not agree with you should be subjected to that same practice you object to. (Stoning, to be specific.)
(I note, after searching, that I can't find any post here (other than yours); wherein anyone inplied, suggested, or stated that they condoned stoning, here, there, or elsewhere.)
I quote:
"Seriously anyone on this board who condones this act because it is the kurds/muslims culture and that we shouldn't interfere with their culture should be stoned themselves..."
It is a heinous act when they acdvocate doing it. It is a heinous act when they do it.
And similarly,
It is a heinous act when we acdvocate it.
We do not allow stoning for any reason in our society.
How can it become acceptable to advocate it here for those who do not agree with you?
Is it not a heinous act, whatever the reason and wherever it is done?
How does it become acceptable to denounce those who do not condone a heinous act? And then declare they should suffer that heinous act for not condoning it. (Something here defies logic as well as the Constitution and common decency.)
Do you have some special authority that allows you to advocate criminal violations of the mind and the body of those that don't agree with you?
Violations of the Constitution?
(Where do the rest of us apply for that position?)
Seriously, I never had any thought to or reason to attack you. I did not attack you.
You are counter attacking when there never was an attack. Is this like dubya's preemptive strikes? Are you forseeing WMDs and terrorist and poison gas that doesn't exist in order to justify your wishes or feelings?
I'm sorry you feel you have been attacked. I didn't do so and can't see any evidence that anyone did, at least not here.
Maybe you have confused what was said here with things said at those "other boards" you say you frequent at the same time? Bad book keeping on the multitasking, maybe?
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Nope, she was partial to my brother. He was special in many many ways.
Maybe no one told you you are special.
They say a kitten that grew up without some comforting from humans will never be cuddly or affectionate toward them and will assume that, any human that can, is eager to attack and hurt him and, as a result, he will attack them first.
Ironic for you to accuse me of attacking people first when you did just that in this thread with the OP....
First, let me explain that I have no idea what " OP" is? ? ? ? ?
Now, let's try this again:
No one attacked you ! ! !
What I did was disagree with your insistance that people in our society (actually, you restricted it to "this board") are duty bound to interfere with another culture whenever some practice of their culture is not accepted by ours and then to go on and say that anyone in our culture that did not agree with you should be subjected to that same practice you object to. (Stoning, to be specific.)
(I note, after searching, that I can't find any post here (other than yours); wherein anyone inplied, suggested, or stated that they condoned stoning, here, there, or elsewhere.)
I quote:
"Seriously anyone on this board who condones this act because it is the kurds/muslims culture and that we shouldn't interfere with their culture should be stoned themselves..."
It is a heinous act when they acdvocate doing it. It is a heinous act when they do it.
And similarly,
It is a heinous act when we acdvocate it.
We do not allow stoning for any reason in our society.
How can it become acceptable to advocate it here for those who do not agree with you?
Is it not a heinous act, whatever the reason and wherever it is done?
How does it become acceptable to denounce those who do not condone a heinous act? And then declare they should suffer that heinous act for not condoning it. (Something here defies logic as well as the Constitution and common decency.)
Do you have some special authority that allows you to advocate criminal violations of the mind and the body of those that don't agree with you?
Violations of the Constitution?
(Where do the rest of us apply for that position?)
Seriously, I never had any thought to or reason to attack you. I did not attack you.
You are counter attacking when there never was an attack. Is this like dubya's preemptive strikes? Are you forseeing WMDs and terrorist and poison gas that doesn't exist in order to justify your wishes or feelings?
I'm sorry you feel you have been attacked. I didn't do so and can't see any evidence that anyone did, at least not here.
Maybe you have confused what was said here with things said at those "other boards" you say you frequent at the same time? Bad book keeping on the multitasking, maybe?
Wow Hooked on Phonics really didn't work for you LoL
OP = Original Poster
I never said anything about me being attacked. I said you accused me of it when you yourself did the same to the OP (ORIGINAL POSTER - JUST SPELLING IT OUT FOR YOUR SIMPLE MIND) off the bat...
You really are losing your marbles when it comes to me (but then again alot of people already think that you lost it long time ago)... I don't recall me talking about the stoning issue in this thread so stop quoting me from a different thread when I am not even discussing it here...
But I'll mention it one last time and clearly so your simple mind can understand my stance on this issue and if you don't agree with me. I could care less. I didn't advocate stoning per say... I advocated the Death Penalty as a punishment for such things... Stoning is just a method I find acceptable since they do it themselves.. let's keep with their culture so to speak since you do not want to interfere with it...
I never said anything about going in guns blazing and changing their culture... What I did say was since the Iraqui gov't is now our PUPPET and we are "influencing" them to pass certain laws that we favor... why not a ban on Honor Killing as well as severe punishment for it be it life without parole or death penalty (since they have such penalties for other crimes in their country... whats one more to add which technically is murder... after all don't regular murderers in Iraq get long prison sentences or death penalty "Sadaam anyone?")? .. without us taking the credit for it but the Iraqui gov't taking the credit for it... we would do this secretly behind closed doors... don't act like this hasn't been done by us before.. we've done it in the past, present and the future (usually the CIA acting on behalf of the White House or others do it like Condi Rice etc.) in other nations where the CIA helped coup de tat's happen to serve our own causes in those nations...
But anyways I am not completely changing their culture... just using their own culture against them...
psssst your "happy" pills run out?... Need a referral to a literacy program so you can actually read what I mean? ... just doing my part and just helping my fellow American..
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Mach, you've probably already figured it out, but Bdgee often makes false assumptions about what you are trying to say, then attacks you for them. It's called a 'straw man argument', and he is an expert at it.
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#4) Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
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quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: Mach, you've probably already figured it out, but Bdgee often makes false assumptions about what you are trying to say, then attacks you for them. It's called a 'straw man argument', and he is an expert at it.
25 Rules of Disinformation
#4) Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
Yah I noticed that. We have one like him on the poker forum I frequent (among other forums). His name is Barking Shark. I wonder if they are both in the same lol ... go check him out: www.cardplayer.com ... click on Tools & tips at top and then Poker Forum... they are so similar it's scary... I think even Barking Shark uses " hahahahaha" at the beginning of his posts...
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I was wondering when this horrible story would be posted when I saw it a few months ago.
This thread reminds me of this article that was in the NY Post in 2000 Published: 03/05/00 Author: By ROD DREHER
IF the Straight Talk Express had ventured into Mount Morris Township, Mich., The Bronx, or Wilkinsburg, Pa., this past week, it would have had its tires shot out. I'm not literally talking about the John McCain campaign bus, but using it as a metaphor for honest public discussion. Straight talk about race, guns, and culture is an unwanted fugitive in a society that would rather live in denial than face unpleasant truths.
In Michigan, a 6-year-old boy shot and killed a first-grade classmate with a handgun stolen from his guardian's house. The usual suspects clamored for more gun control, though it is hard to see how laws can prevent a crackhead uncle from leaving a stolen pistol within reach of a child.
The little boy, we now know, is a monster who has been in serious trouble at school from Day¤1. His father is in jail, his mother is an admitted drug addict, and the kid was being raised in a drug den by male relatives.
This is not the fault of the National Rifle Association. This is the fault of the boy's family and the degraded, immoral culture they chose for themselves and that poor child. Growing up in a world ruled by gangsta values, which extol the virtues of law-breaking, cruelty, drug use and the power of firearms -- that's what made a murderer of this boy.
And that, not specious claims of white racism, or the NAACP's obnoxious accusations against the gun industry, is why African-American males between the ages of 15 and 24 are five times more likely to be wounded or killed by guns than whites in the same demographic group.
Why do so many black people make excuses for the thugs that make their own communities a living hell?
Take Malcolm Ferguson, killed this week in a struggle with an undercover cop. He was arrested nine times, mostly for drug offenses. He made his money by selling heroin to people in the projects. He fled when police lawfully ordered him to stop.
It's tragic he died, but it's his own damn fault.
Yet to hear his neighbors tell it, cops killed him.
"He did not bother nobody. He just did what he had to do to survive, to get money," a friend, Pura Purvis, told the Times.
"He was always there for me," sighed Libertad Franco, who named this pusher the godfather of her baby.
Oh, grow up, fools. No, Ms. Purvis, most people don't deal smack to get money. They get real jobs. Wise up, Ms. Franco: Malcolm Ferguson or someone like him would have been "there" for your child -- to hook him on drugs and destroy his life, and that of all the kids in The Bronx.
Reasonable people are glad police are there to protect them from pushers like Ferguson, and savages like those who killed five people in The Bronx on Friday. But to many Bronx residents, police are the enemy, the criminals their friends.
Why do such self-destructive illusions go unchallenged? A big part of it is a noxious double standard in this culture, especially among the media, by which black criminality, racism and dysfunction are downplayed, rationalized or outright ignored.
Case in point: that of Ronald Taylor, the Pennsylvania black gunman who murdered three whites and grievously wounded two others in a rage driven by anti-white, anti-Jewish hatred. When white racists get violent, the media have a grand-mal seizure of analysis.
There is much jabbering and hand-wringing over the poisonous presence of white supremacist subcultures, and the influence they have over impressionable minds. Good. Evil is evil, and it must be confronted if it is to be conquered.
But where is the public soul-searching over anti-white, anti-Semitic elements in African-American society? Why hasn't the Pennsylvania massacre prompted media and political leaders to question the racist toxins spewed by the likes of Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, Calvin ("Go to hell, white man!") Butts, not to mention the exhortations of many rappers?
There is no expectation of accountability because there is no price to be paid for its lack. This past week, Al Gore and Bill Bradley were asked how they could condemn George W. Bush for going to Bob Jones University, yet meet with Al Sharpton while refusing to speak out against him.
Echoing Bradley's sentiments, the cowardly Gore professed belief in "redemption" (whatever that means in Sharpton's unrepentant case), praised the bovine divine as a vote-getter and spokesman for "a lot of people who have felt disrespect themselves." Well, golly, so does David Duke, but only a moral idiot would confer legitimacy upon him.
Though Sharpton is far more dangerous than the backwoods fundamentalists at Bob Jones U., Gore will try to hang the albatross of religious and racial prejudice around Republicans' necks this fall. GOP operatives should respond in kind by wrapping the stinking bigot Sharpton around Gore's shoulders.
They won't. They know how the game is played. And they can't win
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well in all fairness... the NY Post leans to the right alot in their articles... they are biased and not impartial... I read the newspaper alot but not for their political BS articles... I mainly read it for it's trashy stories... If they ever wrote a scathing article totally against the right wing I would die of shock lol
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