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OTTAWA (AFP) - A former Canadian defense minister is demanding governments worldwide disclose and use secret alien technologies obtained in alleged UFO crashes to stem climate change, a local paper said Wednesday.
"I would like to see what (alien) technology there might be that could eliminate the burning of fossil fuels within a generation ... that could be a way to save our planet," Paul Hellyer, 83, told the Ottawa Citizen.
Alien spacecrafts would have traveled vast distances to reach Earth, and so must be equipped with advanced propulsion systems or used exceptional fuels, he told the newspaper.
Such alien technologies could offer humanity alternatives to fossil fuels, he said, pointing to the enigmatic 1947 incident in Roswell, New Mexico -- which has become a shrine for UFO believers -- as an example of alien contact.
"We need to persuade governments to come clean on what they know. Some of us suspect they know quite a lot, and it might be enough to save our planet if applied quickly enough," he said.
Hellyer became defense minister in former prime minister Lester Pearson's cabinet in 1963, and oversaw the controversial integration and unification of Canada's army, air force and navy into the Canadian Forces.
He shocked Canadians in September 2005 by announcing he once saw a UFO.
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I believe there's extra-terrestrial life, but seeing as there's no life in our solar system and the nearest star is 4 light years away how could they ever reach us?
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Who knows...traveling through different dimensions, black holes, or something we cant even dream about.
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Just goes to prove that there are real, died in the wool, first class, wackos in Canada.
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quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: Who knows...traveling through different dimensions, black holes, or something we cant even dream about.
If Einstein is right it would be physically impossible to travel at the speed of light because it would take an infinite amount of energy to bring a spacecraft to that speed, so I'm a little sceptical towards people's stories about our planet being visited by aliens. It would however be a bit "narrow-minded" to assume we're the only life out there and that the chances for other life in a universe that is so indescribably big are zero...
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People road on horses for thousands of years...
It wasn't untill the last few hundred were we dramaticly increase technology to boats, trains, cars, planes, and even space ships. This was all done recently compared to the milleniums of just riding on horses. Who know what we will learn in the future.
And it wasn't untill the last few hundred years that we had some of the best scientists like einstein, ect.
I think from here we make quantum leaps in technology...
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AOS that is true, however I don't see how we will be able to violate the laws of physics (which would be needed if we would ever travel outside our solar system in a reasonable timespan, and the same counts for aliens)
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IF any of the governments have alien technology.. it will be used for war in some way, not commuting to work.. thats the way governments work.. sadly.
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quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: AOS that is true, however I don't see how we will be able to violate the laws of physics (which would be needed if we would ever travel outside our solar system in a reasonable timespan, and the same counts for aliens)
That's my point...it's just the last few hundred years that we understood or discovered some of the laws of physics...who's knows what we will learn. Now that Nanotechnology is heating up...they are realizing that the smaller they go and can see, the laws of physics are seem to change and be different.
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The theory of relativity supercedes Newton's laws, but it didn't suplant them. Newtonian physics still remains valid and viable......it ain't dead yet, it's just that in certain specific conditions it doesn't apply.
Quantum theory contrast with Newtonian physice or relativity theory, not by assigning conlicting laws, but by dropping the assumption that it is possible, always, to know the exact momentum and mass of an object (of course, some things may be considered "objects" in one theory that aren't in another) at any particulare time and replacing that with an assumption that they can be known statistically.
These "new "laws" of physics do not disprove the "old laws", but determine limits of the "old". In other words, the "fine tune" the instrument rather than buying a new fiddle..
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There may well be life "out there" but it isn't coming here. And we are not going to it. Not by our own current understanding.
Think about the spacestation. In the public's eye it may be relative but in the government’s eye it is such a huge expense that we had to partner with other countries to get it done. (I know...a good chunk of em pulled out and we footed the bill but still...funding wouldn't have been approved if we had started it on our own.) Even for another civilization that we don't understand such equipment would be hugely expensive and would not be used to joyride in another planets atmosphere.
Now we are talking about a permanent base on the moon. Great idea IMO. Let’s start mining the moon and see what we can create in a lower gravity situation that would be difficult to do on earth. But that is going to be even more expensive and even more dangerous.
No, "space technology" will not be our saving grace. It will always be on the back burner behind most special interest projects until we find a way to profit off it.
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But they aren't available in an overpopulated world that insist on doing things developed to work in a world with no new lands into which to overflow.
Progress, throughout written and unwritten history before that, tends to be mile-posted by inovations for populations needing "solutions" that worked in an "old world" but not in "this one here".
For example, when the industrial revolution was in its early stages, most practicle (modulo the existing engineering technology) sites of water driven mechanical energy for work were taken and progress began to falter. Come the practicality of the steam engine to harness the energy from buring wood and coal and factories could be established where not even a trickling creek was to be found.
It didn't take long to realize that those first reasonably safe steam engines could be put to the task of pushing ships and were far more reliable than the wind and much cheaper to operate. (But....you neeed a workforce that is at least quasi-literate. Education is the name of the game.)
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Most of these scientists couldnt shine Nikola Tesla's shoes and yet most people still dont know who he was.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmm? He was responsible for many of todays inventions or as he would call them discoveries. He even spoke of "how to build a UFO" and weather control (which he explaned is quite simple)man made earthquakes etc.... He was also smart enough to bury alot of his work because he knew the world would only do damage with these inovations. Edison and Einstein were pikers compared to him.....IMHO. His work is a MUST READ http://www.world-mysteries.com/dougy.htm
Heres some of his quotes:
'They laughed in 1896, too when I told them about the cosmic ray. They jeered 35 years ago when I discovered the rotating field principle of alternating currents. They called me crazy when I predicted the radio. And when I sent the first impulse around the world, they said it couldn't be done.' (from 1937)
“ There is no thing endowed with life - from man, who is enslaving the elements, to the nimblest creature - in all this world that does not sway in its turn. Whenever action is born from force, though it be infinitesimal, the cosmic balance is upset and the universal motion results. ”
Tesla was critical of Einstein's relativity work, calling it:
“ ...[a] magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king..., its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists...[44] ”
Tesla also argued:
“ I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties. He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own making. Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view.[45] ”
Tesla, also believed that much of Albert Einstein's relativity theory had already been proposed by Ruđer Bošković, stating in an unpublished interview:
“ ...the relativity theory, by the way, is much older than its present proponents. It was advanced over 200 years ago by my illustrious countryman Ruđer Bošković, the great philosopher, who, not withstanding other and multifold obligations, wrote a thousand volumes of excellent literature on a vast variety of subjects. Bošković dealt with relativity, including the so-called time-space continuum...'.[46]
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'It seems odd to me that the man who I and many others consider as THE individual who literally invented 20th Century electrical engineering (Nikola Tesla) does not have a better place in history. Tesla, and not Edison, invented the poly-phase alternators that power our modern civilization; and it was Tesla who was eventually awarded Marconi's wireless patents long after Tesla and Marconi were both dead. In all, Tesla contributed over 1200 patents, and we are currently using only some 200 of them. Near everyone remembers the Tesla Coil, but how many remember that he demonstrated wireless transmission of electric power prior to 1900?
The Kansas City Journal-Post ran this headline on September 10, 1933:
TREMENDOUS NEW POWER SOON TO BE UNLEASHED with the subtitle:
Nikola Tesla, Starting His 78th Year, Works on Revolutionary Power Project and Also Is Completing Process for Photographing Thought. The following are quotes from this newspaper:
'Several of these inventions or discoveries will be looked upon as 'miracles' by many people, for Mr. Tesla has long been a scientist years ahead of his time, one whose advanced theories have alternately stamped him a 'madman' and a wizard. Just as people ridiculed Copernicus' theory of the planetary system, the unenlightened jeered Tesla's pronouncement, years ago regarding cosmic rays. The pathfinder and the pioneer - and Mr. Tesla is both - are always condemned by the masses.' 'Mr. Tesla is the father of the alternating system of power transmission and radio, the induction motor and Tesla coil. Asked about his startling new scientific discoveries, one of which concerns the 'photographing of thought,' which will, he maintains, bring about a tremendous social revolution, he said: 'My first and most important discovery concerns the harnessing of a new source of power, hitherto unavailable, to be developed through fundamentally novel machines of my invention.' 'Will the smashing of the atom lead to this new power energy? Let Mr. Tesla answer: 'The public is naturally led to expect a great revolution through the harnessing of atomic power, but this is an illusion. Atomic energy is not available for work...For the last thirty years I have warned my fellow scientists that there is nothing to be expected in this field...' 'I expect to photograph thoughts,' announced Mr. Tesla calmly, in the same tone of voice one might talk about the rain. Continued Mr. Tesla: 'In 1893...I became convinced that a definite image formed in thought must, by reflex action, produce a corresponding image on the retina, which can be read by suitable apparatus. This brought me to my system of television...
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It is usually easy to read tesla, since he usually presents the details of no scientific theory to explain what he did.
It's almost like reading Nostradamus.
With no developement of the science, it is as impossible to verify as it is to chalenge.
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Tesla was critical of Einstein's relativity work, calling it:
“ ...[a] magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king..., its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists...[44] ”
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quote:Originally posted by rimasco: I guess you need to be dazzled?
Tesla was critical of Einstein's relativity work, calling it:
“ ...[a] magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king..., its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists...[44] ”
and you derive some meaning from this statement? Einsteins work did fall short, but Einstein himself admitted that too.. this Tesla project was a boodoggle to say the least: Teslas Tower: "Tesla's million dollar folly." that's in 1904$ BTW
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Well what do you expect, the guy ran out of money? JP Morgan stopped funding him as soon as he realized their were no profits in it "where can i put the meter?" He also encouraged other investors to avoid the project.
I guess he pulled a "big oil" on him?
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i read an article a few years back where someone was trying blame the 1908 Siberian meteor impact/explosion on Tesla's tower.. it was fun to read...
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Einstein, as we all know, never had any to work with, just paper and pencils and ink and effort.....and raw genious.
Check closer. You will discover that Einstein was thought to be a nut and a failure and relegated to the most menial of all jobs, to keep him out of the hair of the accepted scientist. But, he went to work and learned to fill in the blanks of his genious.
It is sad what the "Ins", Edison, in particular, did to Tesla, but there were ways out of the trap that Tesla rejected.
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When the royalties owed to Tesla started to exceed $1 million, Westinghouse ran into financial trouble. Tesla realized that if his contract remained in effect, Westinghouse would be out of business and he had no desire to deal with the creditors. His dream was to have cheap AC electric available to all people. Tesla took his contract and ripped it up! Instead of becoming the world's first billionaire, he was paid $216,600 outright for his patents.
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In his Manhattan lab, Tesla made the earth into an electric tuning fork. He managed to get a steam-driven oscillator to vibrate at the same frequency as the ground beneath him (like Ella Fitgerald breaking the glass with her voice in those old Memorex commercials).
The result? An earthquake on all the surrounding city blocks. The buildings trembled, the windows broke, and the plaster fell off the walls.
Tesla contended that, in theory, the same principle could be used to destroy the Empire State Building or even possibly split the Earth in two. Tesla had accurately determined the resonant frequencies of the Earth almost 60 years before science could confirm his results.
In his Colorado Springs lab in 1899, he sent waves of energy all the way through the Earth, causing them to bounce back to the source (providing the theory for today's accurate earthquake seismic stations). When the waves came back, he added more electricity to it.
The result? The largest man-made lightning bolt ever recorded - 130 feet! - a world's record still unbroken!
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At the beginning of World War I, the government desperately searched for a way to detect German submarines. The government put Thomas Edison in charge of the search for a good method. Tesla proposed the use of energy waves - what we know today as radar - to detect these ships. Edison rejected Tesla's idea as ludicrous and the world had to wait another 25 years until it was invented.
Unlike Edison, Telsa was an original thinker whose ideas typically had no precedent in science. Unfortunately, the world does not financially reward people of Tesla's originality. We only award those that take these concepts and turn them into a refined, useful product.
Scientists today continue to scour through his notes. Many of his far flung theories are just now being proven by our top scientists. For example, the Tesla bladeless disk turbine engine that he designed, when coupled with modern materials, is proving to be among the most efficient motors ever designed. His 1901 patented experiments with cryogenic liquids and electricity provide the foundation for modern superconductors. He talked about experiments that suggested particles with fractional charges of an electron - something that scientists in 1977 finally discovered - quarks! He trully was an extraordinary person!
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It is good you have discovered a sink for your energies.
Should you run out of fodder on Tesla or decide to plow others grounds, might I suggest the popular writings of Henri Poincaré.
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