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Gordon Bennett
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Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may ! not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging,

-Your devoted disciple and adoring fan

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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may ! not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle- room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging,

-Your devoted disciple and adoring fan

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Also, every reference above is in Exodus and Leviticus, related to Old Testament law. Though these are important to study, they do not reflect the teachings and love of Christ, which is the premise for Christianity.
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There goes the Christian Reich's argument against homosexuality then, huh Ramius?

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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
There goes the Christian Reich's argument against homosexuality then, huh Ramius?

Sexual immorality is a problem. Gay, straight, married, unmarried, whatever.
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I have posted extensively on here before regarding my thoughts on homosexuality...Although it makes for an interesting conversation, I don't have the energy to do it all again.
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There goes the Christian Reich's argument against homosexuality SPECIFICALLY then, huh Ramius?

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A problem for who?

quote:
Originally posted by Ramius:
Sexual immorality is a problem. Gay, straight, married, unmarried, whatever.



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Well stated Ramius..
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Are you actually saying ("gasp") that Jesus loves gay people as much as he loves you?

quote:
Originally posted by Ramius:
Also, every reference above is in Exodus and Leviticus, related to Old Testament law. Though these are important to study, they do not reflect the teachings and love of Christ, which is the premise for Christianity.



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Ramius?

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In fact, the Bible accepts sexual practices that we condemn and condemns sexual practices that we accept. Lots of them! Here are a few examples.

* DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.

* DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.

* MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.

* LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.

* MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.

* DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

quote:
Originally posted by Ramius:
Sexual immorality is a problem. Gay, straight, married, unmarried, whatever.



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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
A problem for who?

quote:
Originally posted by Ramius:
Sexual immorality is a problem. Gay, straight, married, unmarried, whatever.


Aborted babies, people with STD's, rape victims, pregnant teenagers, and for any taxpayer who's taxes help to "remedy" these things. This just off the top of my head of course.
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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
Are you actually saying ("gasp") that Jesus loves gay people as much as he loves you?

quote:
Originally posted by Ramius:
Also, every reference above is in Exodus and Leviticus, related to Old Testament law. Though these are important to study, they do not reflect the teachings and love of Christ, which is the premise for Christianity.


Yes
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Now what are you telling me?

That the New Testament supercedes the Old Testament?

You then are saying that God, who wrote the bible through others, learned better than many of his pronouncements in the Old Testament and, later, corrected them through the words of Jesus.

I can accept that as a working hypothesis.

In which case, God isn't always right or always knowing, i.e., is subject to failure.

And failure of the worst kind, such as punishing people with torture and death to soothe his own ego and ripping apart babies to ease the decision making processes of one of his appointed kings that was presented with a seemingly impossible situation. (You know, some problems simply have no logical solution. I'd have thought God would have understood that, him being the creator of logic. I always wanted to know what that baby had done to deserve such punishment. I still do.)

Damn! I thought I could at least count on a God that understood the consequences of his own decisions and actions and to be one one that knew everything so that he wouldn't be making life threatening decisions that damaged innocent people.

So, I see, God is a dufus too. I feel better.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Now what are you telling me?

That the New Testament supercedes the Old Testament?

You then are saying that God, who wrote the bible through others, learned better than many of his pronouncements in the Old Testament and, later, corrected them through the words of Jesus.

I can accept that as a working hypothesis.

In which case, God isn't always right or always knowing, i.e., is subject to failure.

And failure of the worst kind, such as punishing people with torture and death to soothe his own ego and ripping apart babies to ease the decision making processes of one of his appointed kings that was presented with a seemingly impossible situation. (You know, some problems simply have no logical solution. I'd have thought God would have understood that, him being the creator of logic. I always wanted to know what that baby had done to deserve such punishment. I still do.)

Damn! I thought I could at least count on a God that understood the consequences of his own decisions and actions and to be one one that knew everything so that he wouldn't be making life threatening decisions that damaged innocent people.

So, I see, God is a dufus too. I feel better.

I think this post is directed to me?

I offer no hypothesis, but as always, you may connected whatever dots and draw whatever conclusions you like.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, the Bible is a puzzle, not a novel. Most people never get past the surface...

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Hey everyone, God is coming, look busy! I walked into a church one day and said this. The Episcopal Priest about choked he was laughing so hard. I actually have a bumper sticker that says it on my truck. Anyway, had a little old lady tell me I was going to hell for mocking god.

So I asked her if god created everything.

Yes, she said.

So I suppose that goes for humor also right? I mean all you gotta do is look at the duck-bill platypus. Kind of an up-yours Darwin from god huh?

Well, your going to hell smart ass she replied.

See you there, I said back.

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http://www.horizonsnet.org/sermons/mark32.html

Interesting sermon on divorce and marriage. Maybe a few will read it. It helps to connect a few pieces.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
There goes the Christian Reich's argument against homosexuality SPECIFICALLY then, huh Ramius?

I can't speak for the Christian Reich...I don't think I'm part of that. In my mind homosexuality, specifically, as an act, is no worse than anything else.
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