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God gave the Sabbath as one of the Ten Commandments. During Jesus' human life on earth. He too kept the Sabbath
Luke 4:16 16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
and endorsed it as a day that benefits Christians.
Mark 2:27-28 27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
Several texts in the book of Acts make it clear that Christ’s disciples worshiped on the Sabbath after His resurrection (Acts 13:14 ; 16:13 ; 17:2 ; 18:1-4, 11)
This brings us to a subject that many find perplexing. The Christian world has for some time observed two different days. On one hand, most Christians sincerely observe Sunday, the first day of the week, which they believe to be a memorial of Christ’s resurrection. On the other hand, a large group of Christians, equally sincere, believe that the Bible honors only the seventh-day as the Sabbath and nowhere affirms the sanctity of Sunday. Does it really make a difference which day we observe as the Sabbath? We must always ask ourselfs: “ what matters to Jesus desire me to do?”
Several important facts need to be made clear: Who changed the Sabbath from Saturday, the seventh day of the week, to Sunday, the first day of the week? Does the Bible authorize such a shift? If so, did God, Christ or perhaps the apostles make the change?
Some think the Sabbath is only for Jews. The Sabbath has been around since creation, before there was a Jewish religion or Race. God also makes it clear the Sabbath was mad for all Mankind.
Mark 2:27-28 27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
Most Christians accept the Ten Commandments. God gave them to Moses at Sinai.
Deuteronomy 5:22 22 “These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me. The ten commandments are the only message GOD has ever personally written out on stone with his own FINGER.
In the Fourth Commandment God instructs us:
Exodus 20:8-11 8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
The Sabbath is the longest of the Commandments and the Only one that starts with Remember. Mabey he knew it would have been forgoten.
Genesis 3:1-3 Tells us that at CREATION God "blessed the Sabbath day" and He "made it Holy" And a when God blesses something and makes it Holy, it is Holy forever.
God makes it clear that he will never revise or edit the instruction from his Holy lips. He also made it clear that no Human Being should either.
Deuteronomy 4:2 2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
God himself pledges not to altar his Commands:
Psalm 89:34 34 My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.
Did Jesus Change the Sabbath? According to Jesus, The Ten Commandments and all the principles in the Old Testament Scriptures are not subject to change.
Mathew 5:17-19 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
This is in perfect harmony with Isaiah’s prophecy of the Hevens and New earth Isaiah 65:17 to 66:24
Isaiah 66:23-24 23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD
Jesus faithfully honored and observed the Sabbath. He is our example in Sabbath keeping.
Luke 4:16 16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
Looking to the future, Jesus wanted his disciples to continue experiencing the joys of true Sabbath-keeping. He instructed them to pray that they would not have to flee from Jerusalem during its siege on the sabbath.
Matthew 24:20 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.
Jesus was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem, an event that tool place in A.D. 70 nearly forty years after his resurrection.
Jesus also instructed the rich youn ruler to keep the ten Commandments
Matthew 19:16-22 16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" 1. 17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." 18"Which ones?" the man inquired. Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,'[d] and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'[e]" 20"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?" 21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." 22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Did the Apostles change the Sabbath?
The New Testament Book of Acts mentions 84 Sabbaths observed by the Apostles, all of them more than 14 years after the resurrection of Jesus. John, the last of the twelve apostles to die, wrote five books of the Bible. One Gospel, Three epistles, and the prophetic book of Revelation. He died about A.D. 100, some 70 years after the resurrection of Jesus. Interestingly enough, nowhere in all of his writings does he speak of a change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day of the week. In fact, John himself kept the sabbath. He wrote:
Revelation 1:10 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day.
According to Jesus, the Lord’s day is the Sabbath:
Matthew 12:8 8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
James, the frist leader of the early Christian Church wrote concerning the ten commandments:
James 2:10-11 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder."If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, who wrote much of the New Testament, affirms
Hebrews 4:4, 9 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works” 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
A search of the Scriptuural evidence reveals that the apostles made no attempt to change God’s day of rest from the Seventh to the first day of the week. The New Testament mentions the first day of the week only 8 times. None of them speak of a holy day or even a hint that we should set it aside as a day of worship. A critical examination of the eight texts referring to the first day of the week points out these Sunday events.
1. The women came to the tomb on the first day of the week(Matthew 28:1) 2. “When the Sabbath was over” the women resumed their work or secular tasks on the first day of the week. (Mark 16:1, 2) 3. Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene early the first day of the week (mark 16:9) 4. Jesus’ followers resumed their secular activites (luke 24:1) 5. Mary went to the grave of Jesus and found the tomb empty on the first day of the week (John 20:1) 6. The disiples gathered together “for fear of the Jews” (not for worship) on the first day of the week (john 20:19). 7. Paul asked the church members to take account of their funds on the first day of the week, and “set aside a sum of money” for the poor at Jerusalem (1 corinthians 16:1,2). The passage does not mention any religous meeting. 8. In Acts 20:7 Luke speaks of Paul Preaching on the first day of the week at an incidental farewell meeting. Of course Paul preached every day. And the apostles broke bread daily ( Acts 2:46)
None of the scriptures suggest that the apostles intended to stop observing the Seventh-day Sabbath. There is clearly no New Testament Evidence of a change of the Sabbath. The change came after Jesus and the Apostles.
The apostle clearly warn us that some Christians would drift away from the doctrines of the New Testament Christianity. Paul said:
Acts 20:29-31 “I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard!”
Historians clearly record how Christians began to stray from apostolic purity. Traditions and doctrines which Paul, Peter, and the other founders of the Christian church had never endorsed gradually crept into the church.
“From simple beginnings the church developed a distinct priesthood and an elaborate service. In this way, Christianity and the higher forms of paganism tended to come nearer and nearer to each other as time went on...they tended to merge into one another like streams which had been following converging courses.”-J.H. Robinson, An Introduction to the History of Western Europe, page 31
The change from Sabbath observance to Sunday Observance took place afater the New Testament was completed and the apostles had all died. History records that Christians eventually shifted form worshiping and resting on the Seventh say to the first day of the week.
“A History of the problem shows that in some places, it was really only after some centuries that the Sabbath rest really was entirely abolished, and by that time the practice of observing a bodily rest on Sunday had taken place.”—Vincent J. Kelly. Forbidden Sunday Feast-Day occupations (Washington: Catholic University of America Press, 1943), p. 15
The prophet Daniel predicted this would happen.
Daniel 7:25 25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law.
On March 7, A..D. 321, Constantine the Great issued the first civil Sunday law, compelling all the people, except farmers, in the Roman Empire to rest on the Sunday. This with five other civil laws decreed by Constantine concerning Sunday, set the legal precedent for all civil Sunday, set the legal precedent for all civil Sunday legislation from that time to present. In the fourth century the Council of Laodicea prohibited Christians from abstaining frm work on the Sabbath. It urged them if all possible to honor Sunday as the Lord’s day. History shows that Sunday Observance is a man-made convention.
Who officially moved the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first of the week? The Catholic church claims to have done so. In an attempt to save the crumbling Roman Empire, Well-meaning church leaders compromised and attempted to change the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
Now this is the Proof. This is straight for THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CATECHISM
The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine 1. The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by: Peter Geiermann, C. SS. R. (published by: B. Herder Book Co. -1946) 3. The Third Commandment:
Q. What is the Third Commandment? A. The Third Commandment is: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.
MyComment: Remember the Catholic Church renumbered the Ten Commandments.
Q. Which is the Sabbath Day? A. Saturday is the Sabbath Day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday? A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
My Comment: This particular Sunday in which the Holy Spirit descended on the apostles was Pentecost, which is one of the seven annual holy days of God - See Acts 2 and Lev. 23.
Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday? A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.
Q. What does the Third Commandment command? A. The Third Commandment commands us to sanctify Sunday as the Lord’s Day.
MyComment: WRONG - In Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV) God commands mankind to keep the seventh day holy, not the first day: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. {9} Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: {10} But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: {11} For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
Q. What does the Third Commandment forbid? A. The Third Commandment forbids (1) The omission of prayer and divine worship; (2) All unnecessary servile work; (3) Whatever hinders the keeping of the Lord’s Day holy.
Q. Is the desecration of the Lord’s Day a grievous matter? A. The desecration of the Lord’s Day is a grievous matter in itself, though it admits of light matter."
My Comment: The "Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine" is a little more honest and accurate in their answers as to why the day of worship was changed from the Sabbath to Sunday:
"The Third Commandment (actually the Fourth Commandment) is: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day." "Saturday is the Sabbath Day." "We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." "The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday (Comment: Pentecost)." "The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her."
My Comment -- Notice that the Catholic Church says that they have the right to change the day of worship from the Saturday Sabbath to Sunday. In Conclusion: God made the Sabbath for man and Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Mark 2:27-28 reveals that the Sabbath is the real Lord’s day. Every Christian should know why they keep Sunday or the Saturday Sabbath as the day of worship. The Catholic Church commands you to worship on Sunday. The Bible commands you to worship on the seventh day Sabbath which is on Saturday. The Catholic Church agrees that Saturday is the Sabbath, but they say that they have the right to change the day of worship from the Saturday Sabbath to Sunday. The Choice is yours: Do you want to keep the Sabbath as the Bible commands or keep Sunday as the Catholic Church commands?
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We go to Church on Sunday because we Work Monday thru Friday and College Football is on Saturday. We can also usually get home before the NFL games start.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Many of us are not tied to scripture as a lifestyle.
We out reading Scriptures, We won't know what's true or not.
Paul commended the Berean Christians because "they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to see" what was true(Acts 17:11) Daily Bible study is the key to power in our lives (Romans 1:16"
Acts 17:11 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
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i cant settle for one of those simplifications that indignant people grasp upon to try to understand a world too complex for their comprehension. Astrology, health food, flag waving, bible thumping, Zen, nudism,you name it,- all of these are grotesque simplifications which small dreary people adopt in the hope of finding The Answer, because the very concept that maybe there is no answer, never has been, never will be, terrifies them.
Generally, when you cast nudism in with that list of weirdisms, I can't object, since it assums me having to watch fat naked women and old nude wrinkled men.
But what if it were limited so that only pretty youg broads could and they must. Now there is a idea that is worthy of "BELIEF"!!!
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: by scripture, do you mean those stories written in the bible?
just stories...nothing more, nothing less..
why do people get so hung up on this stuff?
are they so lost that they need some guidlines on how and what to think?
or maybe they are frightened and need reassurance that everything will be ok if they follow and adhere to someone elses ,so-called ,wisdom...
maybe life just is....with no meaning..
its hard for some people to accept that.
Obviously you know very little about the bible and it's authors.
Archeologists' findings proof much of the bible is acurate.
And what about the prophecy's that came true. The Prophet Daniel predicted the rise and fall of every Great Nation, even The order, time, and Name of them all.
He even Got the names of the Nation's right. The Proof is there, most just don't know about it.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: I see where peeps get confused now--somebody been confusing 'em about the order of the week days.
Don't sweat all that old-timey stuff, it's easy: Sunday is the last day of the weekend.
Sunday is the first day of the week, there has never been any question about that, from any denomination, or historian. Even the Pope says Friday/Saturday is the Sabbath and Sunday is the first day of the Week. Remember the song in preschool...Sunday monday, tuedays wednesday, thursday fridaaaaaay, saturday.
Now look at this link of different lanquages and how the seventh day of the week in all the country's is translated into sabbath or day of rest.
The table above includes some of the oldest languages known to man. One of these, the Babylonian language, was in use hundreds of years before the Hebrew race was founded by Abraham. That language designated the seventh day of the week as "sa-ba-tu," meaning rest day -- another indisputable proof that the Bible "Sabbath" was not, and is not, exclusively Jewish.
Very few realize that the word "Sabbath" and the concept of resting from work on the seventh day of the week (Saturday) is common to most of the ancient and modern languages of the world. This is evidence totally independent of the Scriptures that confirms the Biblical teaching that God's seventh day Sabbath predates Judaism. The concept of a Saturday holy day of rest was understood, accepted, and practiced by virtually every culture from Babylon through modern times.
In the study of the many languages of mankind you will find two important facts:
1. In the majority of the principal languages the last, or seventh, day of the week is designated as "Sabbath."
2. There is not even one language which designates another day as the "day of rest."
From these facts we may conclude that not only those people who called the last day of the week "Sabbath," but all other peoples and races, as far as they recognized any day of the week as "Sabbath," rested on the seventh day. In fact, it was recorded by the great historian, Socrates, that in his time the whole known world, with the exception of Rome and Alexandria, observed the seventh day of the week.
"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria." Socrates, "Ecclesiastical History," Book 7, chap.19.
Some people bring up that the calendar was changed.
Yes. In order to keep up with the solar cycle the calendar was changed once in October 1582, but it did not alter the weekly cycle. Ten dates were omitted from the calendar following October 4, 1582. What would have been Friday, October 5, became Friday, October 15. The diagram below will help you to visualize the change. You will see that it did not change the order of the days of the week.
The only only question is if the Sabbath was ever changed in any way.
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No matter how the names of the days change? You gotchyur work week, followed by your week *end*...call 'em Appleday, Mangoday, Cherryday, Limeday, etc.. The point was to set aside at least one day for rest and reflection... Why make something so simple into some convoluted whimmy-jimmy?
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Some may also say we are saved by grace not works, so keeping the commandments doesn't matter.
But the bible says we are judged by are works. Works is proof of our faith. If we have real faith, we will have good works.
Jesus said a good tree can't bear bad fruit
Matthew 7:15-20 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
Isaiah 5:1-7
Then he looked for a crop of good grapes, but it yielded only bad fruit.
3 "Now you dwellers in Jerusalem and men of Judah, judge between me and my vineyard.
4 What more could have been done for my vineyard than I have done for it? When I looked for good grapes, why did it yield only bad?
5 Now I will tell you what I am going to do to my vineyard: I will take away its hedge, and it will be destroyed; I will break down its wall, and it will be trampled.
6 I will make it a wasteland, neither pruned nor cultivated, and briers and thorns will grow there. I will command the clouds not to rain on it."
7 The vineyard of the LORD Almighty is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah are the garden of his delight. And he looked for justice, but saw bloodshed; for righteousness, but heard cries of distress.
Ephesians 5:9 9 for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth
Jesus said "if you love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:15
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"Jesus said a good tree can't bear bad fruit"
Good for what?
Once, in Alabama my neighbors tree could only produce the most disgusting apples, while the two I had provided enough splendid fruits to supply the neighborhood and then some. His tree was a splendid thing that provided wonderful shade and was a wonderfully beautyfull green canopy.....a wonderful tree indeed. Mine were scrawny and pitiful looking things that were the joke of the neighborhood.
I suppose if you take that silly quote as a truth, then his tree was not good and mine were. But there is an example of taking things out of the bible for truth.
Ninty five percent of the apples I got went to rot because we couldn't eat them. I guess it was therefore ninty five percent a rotten tree. (Those 95% weren't entirely wasted as the boys in the neighborhood had magnificient wars using them as projectiles. After a major confrontation, in a few days and until a good rain, the whole neighborhood smelled of rotting apples that had been burst against the brick walls of houses and trunk lids of cars and noggins of the warriers.)
Declaring stuff from the bible to be fact is insulting to everyone that doesn't accept it to be so. If it is your belief, then so state it and nothing else and then shut up!
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Had a friend whose attorney wife had left him near destitute a couple of years before tell me, "What would I need a wife for? I got a microwave oven and some drip dry shirts."
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Now look at this link of different lanquages and how the seventh day of the week in all the country's is translated into sabbath or day of rest.
The table above includes some of the oldest languages known to man. One of these, the Babylonian language, was in use hundreds of years before the Hebrew race was founded by Abraham. That language designated the seventh day of the week as "sa-ba-tu," meaning rest day -- another indisputable proof that the Bible "Sabbath" was not, and is not, exclusively Jewish.
Very few realize that the word "Sabbath" and the concept of resting from work on the seventh day of the week (Saturday) is common to most of the ancient and modern languages of the world. This is evidence totally independent of the Scriptures that confirms the Biblical teaching that God's seventh day Sabbath predates Judaism. The concept of a Saturday holy day of rest was understood, accepted, and practiced by virtually every culture from Babylon through modern times.
In the study of the many languages of mankind you will find two important facts:
1. In the majority of the principal languages the last, or seventh, day of the week is designated as "Sabbath."
2. There is not even one language which designates another day as the "day of rest."
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ya, clearly folks got confused along the way: Sunday is obviously the last day of the weekend and so would be our Sabbath. Monday starts the work week... Don't worry about it, Ace--rest up tomorrow and get ready to hit it Monday!
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