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Griffon
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Start small with alternative methods of crude oil production and build to independence from all crude oil products as quickly as we can. It will help the environment, it will decrease landfill, and hopefully in the long run make us a stonger nation.

Here are a couple of sites to explore this potential:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/11/1125_031125_turkeyoil.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0701_040702_pigoil.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0422_030422_veggiefuels.html

and this is a novel alternative that is highly renewable and not dealing with refuse:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1009_031009_moonpower.html

obviously this last one is not easily replicated all over the world, but certainly there are places where similar tech could prove useful.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1695055.htm

about algae as a fuel source. This one seems problematic as this is a vital link in the food chain as opposed to the other suggestions.

The advantage of the above mentioned technologies is that they actually consume waste products that we have to treat. Living in an area with many hog confimements, cheaper fuel would be a perk that might make the smell of the confinements bearable.

Alternative fuels are a win-win for everyone and almost everyone would admit it. Maybe what we need to expect from the next Presidential campaigners whatever direction they come from, is real action on the development of sustainable, alternative fuel research and development. Anyone else for seeing environmentally-friendly alternative fuel sources become a campaign issue?

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I know I've posted this before but I really enjoy the fact that animal husbandry is turning into a viable energy production alternative.

Methane tanks powered by cow manure are creating enough energy to power hundreds of homes now days!

It's good to see a use beyond fertalizer for these types of byproducts.

The Bigfoot

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Agreed!

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Today the church had the priveledge to give food, clothing, gasoline, and eyeglasses to a family as they prepare to enter the workforce again. Next week a vehicle to get them back and forth to work will be signed over to them. The first steps of independence from the welfare system. To me, that is a succesful day of ministry.

But I have to wonder what chances they and many, many others like them will see opportunity denied because of failed US and world policy regarding the Middle East from 1917 on to the present day. The UN failed both Israel and Palestine in 1947-8, by establishing two states in Palestine/Israel that had no absolute demarkation lines. Then we all just got out of the way as if we did not know what was going to happen. Arab nations attacked, Israel engaged in vicious ethnic cleansing (documented in A History of Modern Palestine, Blood Brothers, and We Belong to the Land) while Arab nations were bent on genocide.

From that time US foreign policy has failed Jew, Muslim, Christian and Druze alike. Every president following Truman has failed to deal with both sides as equal partners. And since Israel/Palestine is the key to peace in the Middle East, oil prices will be jittery until a solution is found. Until we resolve Temple Mount and the Dome of the Rock, there will be serious danger in the Middle East.

But really, that is not the whole problem. China's consumption of gasoline increased by 16% last year alone. They are a juggernaut, and if that economy continues to grow at the present rate, oil production will never catch up again. Part of this crisis, it seems, is an (un?)intentional lack of investment in refinery technology and capacity, in the US and the world. Corporations did not re-invest enough capital in the business, but people got rich off the dividends and bonuses. Now the rewards are generated by windfall profiteering by corporations to line their pockets. It should never have happened.

We have had plenty of time to prepare for this day. Since the oil embargo of the '70s we knew the day would come when oil would not be cheap. We could have developed an alternative and when the collapse of the oil economy occured, we would have been securely invested in another resource.

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Yeah, that would be the case if the oil companies and/or auto makers hadn't bought and buried any plans presented.

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We have had plenty of time to prepare for this day. Since the oil embargo of the '70s we knew the day would come when oil would not be cheap. We could have developed an alternative and when the collapse of the oil economy occured, we would have been securely invested in another resource.



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"Yeah, that would be the case if the oil companies and/or auto makers hadn't bought and buried any plans presented."

Exactly! So how do we unlock that tech? How do we get those money-grubbing corporations to do what is right for the country? Notice how no politician on either side is touching that!

Here's a real conspiracy theory for you GB:

The oil profiteers have the go-ahead from all of Congress and the President to squeeze every drop of money from the American people. Unfortunately for them, Americans get uppity about gas pump prices so they have a scheme. When the complaining gets too loud, the code words are sent to the oil companies from Congress: "Congressional hearings." The Congress feigns outrage, the prices drop for a few weeks, public outcry dies down and the prices go up. Now go back to every serious price hike since the embargo of the 70s and see if that pattern is not pretty close to dead on.

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You're just one of those conspiracy whackos, Griffon. LOL

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"You're just one of those conspiracy whackos, Griffon. LOL"

Oh yeah! LOL! I collect them. Trade you two WTC theories for a Grassy Knoll and a theory to be named later. Oops! slipped into basebal trade talk speech! Time's almost up and the Dodgers need some pitchin.' But then doesn't everybody.

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