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a few days ago, somebody tried to tell us that George Washington was once a chaplain to his "people"... this claim sounded suspicious to me and the Supreme Court issue has led me to do some research...
recently a lot of effort has been made to REWRITE history... i'm not against religion, i am FOR the truth tho.....
Bishop White, the father of the Protestant Episcopal church of America, is one of the most eminent names in church history. During a large portion of the period covering nearly a quarter of a century, Washington, with his wife, attended the churches in which Bishop White officiated. In a letter dated Fredericksburg, Aug. 13, 1835, Colonel Mercer sent Bishop White the following inquiry relative to this question:
"I have a desire, my dear Sir, to know whether Gen. Washington was a communicant of the Protestant Episcopal church, or whether he occasionally went to the communion only, or if ever he did so at all. ... No authority can be so authentic and complete as yours on this point."
To this inquiry Bishop White replied as follows:
"Philadelphia, Aug. 15, 1835.
"Dear Sir: In regard to the subject of your inquiry, truth requires me to say that Gen. Washington never received the communion in the churches of which I am the parochial minister. Mrs. Washington was an habitual communicant.
... I have been written to by many on that point, and have been obliged to answer them as I now do you. I am respectfully.
"Your humble servant,
"WILLIAM WHITE." (Memoir of Bishop White, pp. 196, 197).
there are many religious historians that investigated this in the early 1800's the issue was settled a long time ago... Washington did go to church was even a "vestryman" for a short period, but he did not take communion...
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"During the presidential campaign of 1880, the Christian Union made the startling admission that, of the nineteen men who, up to that time, had held the office of President of the United States, not one, with the Possible exception of Washington, had ever been a member of a Christian church."
"The history of Christian Union dates back to February 3, 1864, when a convention of Christian people of various denominations was held in Columbus, Ohio." http://www.christianunion.com/History.html
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Ben Franklin has been reported to have been a frequent "attendee" of Sunday services. From this I've over an over heard various claims made that he was a Christain and that makes this a Christain country. Well, old Ben (young ben too) was also known to be a frequent "attendee" at Saturday services too. He was a quite astute businessman and would have attended Thursday services had he known of a religion that worshiped then.
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glassman as an older man of 56 my opions have changed quite considerable on a lot of things. i am a christian and believe in that very deeply. i cannot see why the relegious right wants to blend civil law and there beliefe's into one if anybody knows the history of this country at all the first colonist in new england were considered criminals in eourpe because they did not practice the state relegion. and they wanted a place to come and worship there faith in the way they saw fit. one of the things at the top of there list was a complete seperation of civil law and govnerment policy form there church
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my point is that there all very ill informed elements in our country that are trying to rewrite history to make it fit there agenda
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Certainly there were religiously oppressed people among the earliest Europeans in what is now the US, but I must disagree that religious freedom made up the motivation for settlement for the weight of the first "Americans". Indeed. I believe there is overwhelming evidence that the Spanish had established outpost and settlements some that still exists)long before any of the English, French, or German settlements in the east....and the reason for the Spanish development was not religion, but greed, i.e., GOLD!
Though wealth was not the main force in the eastern settlements, its first cousin starvation was. Eorope was already becoming over populated for the social structures of the time and there was relief in "the new world". Being poor is not confined to any particular religion, though there are clearly religions that, through their practices and beliefes, prevent followers from developing the necessary literacy and sophistication in non-religious matters to be other than second rate economically. Denial of facts in order to foster religious principles enevitably denies to a population the means to excape backwardness and poverty. Such religious zealotry put Galileo in prison for telling the population what scientific minds had already proved a thousand years before and put Ivan the Terrible in power.
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is a link to the Quaker history: the founder (George Fox ) was: puzzled by the inconsistency between what Christians said they believed and the way they behaved. (me too)
apparently the Puritans persecuted Quakers too.. In 1658, religious intolerance in Boston reached a horrible height, when a law was passed banishing Quakers under "pain of death." this law was actually used and Quakers were executed....
the Founding Fathers were trying to find ways to prevent this IMO.... it is interesting that they didn't name God as Christ in the few mentions that they made...... it does "suggest" that they weren't Christian in specific, and there are many statements that clearly state they respected not just Judaism but the Moslem faith as well..... Gerge Washington clearly stated that he believed the Moslem faith was worthy of respect.
Maryland was colonised primarily by Catholics seeking regfuge from English persecution....
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not all sections of the new world i am talking about the people that settled our eastrn sea board and who framed our country the south west was a total different movement of people for different reasons. so were the later waves of people on the east coast. like the people of commerce and business like the slave owning class the made up most of the commercial class of the british empire. thats when the america started to change.
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