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The races of the victims of Brian Nichols, who escaped from custody and went on a shooting rampage, have gradually leaked out. Very few newspaper editors have been willing to show pictures of all the victims for an obvious reason: All but one of the people Nichols killed were White. A Black deputy who confronted him outside the court building was shot dead and a Black female guard was injured. Both of these were unavoidable for Nichols since he had to attack those two to escape. All of the White people, whom Nichols killed, pistol-whipped or took hostage (with the possible exception of the customs agent) were deliberate choices. Every time Nichols chose a victim of his own free will; he chose a White victim. Nichols spared the life of the Black female guard even though he could easily have fired a shot into her. Initial reports claiming that she was shot in the face were mistaken. Her injuries resulted from Nichols overpowering her.
Nichols viciously killed the White judge, who was only doing his job prosecuting Nichols for crimes he committed. That judge had earlier warned the court that Nichols was dangerous. Considering the great number of dangerous criminals, who go through the court it is remarkable that no added safety precautions were taken despite the judge's warning. The state of Georgia however has an insane rule that defendants are allowed to show up in court without handcuffs since that "would make them look guilty." Considering that Nichols' ex-girlfriend accused him of rape and threatening him with a submachine gun, it is mystery what it would take for the authorities to handcuff a defendant in Georgia. The guard chosen to watch the six foot one inch tall Nichols was a five foot one inch tall Black female. All it took was one moment of negligence for Nichols to overpower her, grab her gun and go on a shooting spree.
After killing the White judge, a beautiful White stenographer was killed for no apparent reason whatsoever. Anyone, who claims that the murders by Nichols did not have an anti-White tinge, will have a hard time explaining why he shot dead a defenseless White woman, whose job was to type out a transcript of the proceedings.
Nichols then killed a Black deputy outside the courtroom, who tried to stop him. The next victim was a White man, whom Nichols carjacked. At first, the crazed Black demanded that this victim get in the trunk or that he would shoot him. The victim refused and Nichols pistol-whipped him. It's a matter of debate whether Nichols would have killed this man had he gotten into the trunk although most people, who go into a trunk typically have a pretty bleak future.
Nichols shot dead a customs agent. It's not clear if the customs agent recognized Nichols or if he merely panicked and shot the White man in a uniform as part of a hateful binge. His last victim was a widowed mother. It's not clear if she had been sexually assaulted by Nichols.
The Jewish media is trying to turn this Black racist rampage into a "beauty and the beast" story. Even if the White woman succeeded in talking the Black into surrendering himself, what were his options? There was a very great chance that he would die in a shoot out with police. He was afraid of dying and used the White woman to help him surrender. Now he will be a financial burden on the state of Georgia ---and if they use a five foot one inch Black woman to escort him to court again, this whole fiasco could happen again.
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why do you make these assertions Art? Isn't it only a hate crime, from a politically correct perspective, when a white kills a black? this is non-linear argument.
i acknowledge hate and hate crimes... personally i think having "hate crimes" in the law books is stupid...convict the guy of 5 murders and fry him....
i'm shocked that the guy survived capture black or white...
"conjuring" up more hate is the real problem...
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my point about the white woman is that this murderer didn't even have to shoot a gun to kill her, and camp out there for a few days to come up with his next plan.....capture in her apartment was not imminent...he released her, and waited for them to come get him....
white people may very well have been his targets in the shootout/escape....this can be easily explained by anybody over 14...am i defending his actions? NO! i am only trying to point out that reason can overcome hate, and propagating hate only makes the world worse for everybody... i know this sounds like hipy-dipy BS, but it is possible to fight/survive/thrive without hate...
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You must look at the situation on the whole glassman. This is one of many and I mean MANY cases of blacks killing whites and the crime being downplayed by the media. You can not turn on cable TV without seeing some movie about The Klan killing blacks or burning a black church or all the struggles of the black race. Yet the fact that blacks are commiting crimes against whites in record numbers is almost ignored. Its not about hate its about facts
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i don't think it's ignored. i tend to switch thru a lot of different news tho...yes, "hate crimes" were designed specifically to stop "white" on "minority" crime, i don't argue that...i see having "hate crimes" just as dumb as "gun crimes"...however, you have to consider that the FEDERAL crimes were implemented because some states refused to come into "compliance?" with federal desires...some states found criminals innocent or refused to consider charges against whites for murdering (lynching) blacks...so creating federal laws that were DIFFERENT was specifically intended to allow federal prosecutors to re-open dead cases. based on the number of African Americans in jail in the US versus whites? i would say that the hate crimes charges are unnecessary. Georgia is not a state being run by a bunch of liberal pansy's is it?
i don't think we need hate crime laws or gun crime laws, we need justice FOR ALL....
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Sure glassman, hate crimes of black against white are ignored as being hate crimes. It is never identified as such, as in the Nichols case where a clear hate element is identified by Sgt. Steiner, though Nichols' main motive was escape from confinement. When was the last time you heard of a hate crime involving black against white, even though this is where most of the hate resides?
Anytime a white kills a black it is at least considered as a possible hate crime.
Like I said before, it seems only whites commit hate crimes against blacks as the reverse idea is politically incorrect.
The blacks are the most racially prejudiced group there is. This is evidenced by their playing their race card at the drop of a hat, demanding special treatment and privileges and blaming many of their problems on slavery and white oppression while never properly blaming their own input into their problems.
What we need is more hate and not less. Whites need to stop feeling guilty and properly blame black problems on blacks themselves. Black leaders and groups, like the NAACP, always play up past white mistreatment (slavery, oppression) to make whites feel guilty and to encourage blacks to blame whitey for self-caused black problems. We instead need whites and blacks to get tough with blacks and say "Look at your self for the cause of many of your problems, and don't always say it is white oppression." A very few blacks, like Ward Connerly, Chris Rock, Bill Cosby, and C.O.R.E. leaders, give this message to their own, but most blacks don't like to hear that they need to improve themselves and shape up, instead of always blaming whitey.
Come on all you politically correct readers and comment against my ideas here based on reality!
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Art, i grew up right near the Universty of MD. i was in the middle of bussing in the very beginning in the early 70's later i repoed cars in downtown DC, during the "crack epidemic" when DC was the murder capitol also, and i'm white... i never carried a gun...i didn't need to, and yes a significant percentage of the cars i "took" were from African Americans.... the crime statistics there are very clear....black on white crime is negligable, i defy you to offer statistics from a reputable organistaion that shows otherwise....
i also recommend reading Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond.....
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some research in to the history of slavery would tell you that many of us white folks came here as slaves too...
i have at least two "indentured servants" in my geneology... almost anybody who has colonial ancestors from the 1700's does.... it's a dirty little secret....
many African Americans were freed just as the white slaves that came here were..before the Revolution...
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I do doubt the veracity (or should I say racity or raciality?) of your statement: black on white crime is negligable.
Blacks commit many more crimes than whites, on a per capita basis, and much if this is black on white.
If you look at black on white and white on black crime rates, not on an absolute basis but on a per capita percentage basis, you will surely find that black on white crime is at a higher rate than white on black crime.
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I have read the report glassman and will find it for you. This report tells me nothing I already don't know though. Everyday in the local paper we read about blacks killing,robbing or assaulting whites yet the very news outlets that report this refuse to ever point out this epidemic.
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Ok the actual report is way to long to post but here is the agencies they list as sources.
The Color of Crime reports the results of extensive, computer-based cross analysis of data taken primarily from the following sources: Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 1997 Bureau of Justice Statistics, Criminal Victimization 1997 Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics 1997 Federal Bureau of Investigation, Hate Crime Statistics 1997
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you know, just now, i am seeing Sec. of State Dr. Rice meet with Koreans on the news... based on my experiences with Koreans? this is a remarkable situation...there is much progress being made in inter-racial and inter-sex attitudes here, that's one of President Bush's most interesting feats to me...
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i ran google, and tried to access many of the links...they were all dead-ends... Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States 1997 Bureau of Justice Statistics, Criminal Victimization 1997 Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics 1997 Federal Bureau of Investigation, Hate Crime Statistics 1997
this list suggests that it was NOT compiled by the FBI... but by some third party... do you agree????
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Paul Sheehan, an Australian reporter, wrote the following for an article in the Sydney Morning Herald , May 2, 1995. Sheehan based his statistics on crime data compiled by the FBI and partially reported each year in The FBI Uniform Crime Report . These reports can be researched at the FBI's website, www.fbi.gov. Here is the information Sheehan uncovered in his analysis of the FBI's crime reports:
Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year. Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.
Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites in 1992.
In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.
Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.
About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.
Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.
On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.
Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.
Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.
Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.
Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.
In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders.
Sheehan commented that the contents of his article could not possibly be published or discussed in the U.S. mainstream media.
In the last 50 years, the white part of the American population has declined from 90% to 72%. The U.S. now has about 33 million blacks and 25 million Hispanics (legal and illegal). By the year 2050, American whites will be a minority, just 49%. By 2100, whites will be 25% of the population. What will life for whites be like in the future?
Since the FBI doesn't distinguish between Hispanics and whites, Sheehan's statistics don't adequately reflect the black-white crime situation. Only about 10-15% of Hispanics are white, with the rest being Indian or a mixture of white, American Indian, and blacks. Hispanic crime rates are almost as high as black crime rates. This means that the data Sheehan compiled on inter-racial crime is probably grossly understated since a considerable portion of the "white against black" crime actually is Hispanic against black crime. (Information about this aspect of inter-racial crime will be presented in a related article.)
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Yes you were right the actual report was compiled by someone else but the sources came from government agencies. Do you actually think OUR government would publicly state these things in a time when intercity minorities are being given federal grant money to move into middle class white neighborhoods? Yes I have seen this first hand we know have broken down basketball goals on the side of the streets and pit bulls running loose here YA The Bush diversity plan is working great here
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: you know, just now, i am seeing Sec. of State Dr. Rice meet with Koreans on the news... based on my experiences with Koreans? this is a remarkable situation...there is much progress being made in inter-racial and inter-sex attitudes here, that's one of President Bush's most interesting feats to me...
Yep. Bush wants to look good to the world and show we have tried diplomacy, before we bomb their nuclear facilities.
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Glassman first off where did you get those stats secondly As I have been saying all along black on white crime is not classified as hate crime that is the problem with the stats you are showing
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quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner: Yes you were right the actual report was compiled by someone else but the sources came from government agencies. Do you actually think OUR government would publicly state these things in a time when intercity minorities are being given federal grant money to move into middle class white neighborhoods? Yes I have seen this first hand we know have broken down basketball goals on the side of the streets and pit bulls running loose here YA The Bush diversity plan is working great here
Sarge, i am not saying that everything is good... i'm trying to say that hate only begets HATE, and i don't have THE answer. but i do know that one black man shooting his way out of jail or court or whatever is no reason to start trying to instigate more hate...i'm not living in a very good place either right now....
the gig here where i am at? is to put 6 or 8 trailers on a single lot, and rent them out on govt money....the "landlord" is clearing 600 to 800 per month of OUR tax money on EACH ONE: and these things are twenty yers old, 10 feet from each other, and patched with tin cans etc...
the "landlord?" aint no liberal buddy, there ain't any in this hear part of world...
and NO i don't live in a trailer and NO i'm not landlord
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quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner: Glassman first off where did you get those stats secondly As I have been saying all along black on white crime is not classified as hate crime that is the problem with the stats you are showing
quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner: Glassman first off where did you get those stats secondly As I have been saying all along black on white crime is not classified as hate crime that is the problem with the stats you are showing
Only crime that is racially motivated is a hate crime, and as Steiner says, racial motivation aspects are ignored when the crime is black on white - that is the problem and it is due to racial prejudice against whites because of political correctness. The result is that hate crime is always white on black and never the reverse.
hmmmmmmm........
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Only crime that is racially motivated is a hate crime, and as Steiner says, racial motivation aspects are ignored when the crime is black on white - that is the problem and it is due to racial prejudice against whites because of political correctness. The result is that hate crime is always white on black and never the reverse. hmmmmmmm.......
this is true? then why do they have a category for hate crimes against whites?
the FBI is in on the "conspiracy" tooooo?
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Only crime that is racially motivated is a hate crime, and as Steiner says, racial motivation aspects are ignored when the crime is black on white - that is the problem and it is due to racial prejudice against whites because of political correctness. The result is that hate crime is always white on black and never the reverse. hmmmmmmm.......
this is true? then why do they have a category for hate crimes against whites?
the FBI is in on the "conspiracy" tooooo?
How would it look if they left out the category of hate crimes against whites - only showng blacks as victims of hate crimes?
It would obviously look to be discriminatory against whites.
So they include the catogory of hate crimes against whites, and then largely ignore that any such crimes exist, thereby masking the discrimination against whites (which is Steiner's point, that the reporting and thus recording of such crimes is biased in a pro-black and anti-white manner).
Why do you disagree with this point?
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i already answered sarge...i don't like the idea of having "hate crimes" on the books at all...it's redundant...if you kill somebody? what is the difference?
was Scott Peterson's murder of his wife (if he even did it?) a hate crime?
sarge brought a valid point here for discussion, we are exploring the issue...
you are stil not addressing the real issue...how does one decide what a hate crime is? if the Judge had been an African American? would it have been a hate crime? what difference does it make? how many African Americans did this guy NOT aim at?
and the issue of the white girl is still not answered...there was no reason NOT to kill her.. was the guy just out of "hate?" by the time he got to her?
i am not insensitive to the issue of being REQUIRED to pay for the debts of my/our forefathers- i am angry too...but not at people that have been treated as less than human and are still in pain over it...i have no sympathy for people that have been offered opportunity and passed it by in favor of mooching....
HEAL YOURSELVES all of you...
otherwise your children will just inherit more of this trash.....
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Art:How would it look if they left out the category of hate crimes against whites - only showng blacks as victims of hate crimes?
It would obviously look to be discriminatory against whites.
So they include the catogory of hate crimes against whites, and then largely ignore that any such crimes exist, thereby masking the discrimination against whites (which is Steiner's point, that the reporting and thus recording of such crimes is biased in a pro-black and anti-white manner).
Why do you disagree with this point?
Glassamn: so, you DO assert that the FBI is involved in a conspiracy to conceal the truth?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Art:How would it look if they left out the category of hate crimes against whites - only showng blacks as victims of hate crimes?
It would obviously look to be discriminatory against whites.
So they include the catogory of hate crimes against whites, and then largely ignore that any such crimes exist, thereby masking the discrimination against whites (which is Steiner's point, that the reporting and thus recording of such crimes is biased in a pro-black and anti-white manner).
Why do you disagree with this point?
Glassman: so, you DO assert that the FBI is involved in a conspiracy to conceal the truth?
Not necessarily. The states report the crime while the FBI collects data. I think the local investigators don't look closely at the racial motivation aspect when it is a black against white crime - they assume it was just robbery. Whites don't rob or kill blacks that much - far less than blacks rob or kill whites - so the investigators focus more on racial motivation to explain the murder of blacks by whites.
The issue raised by Steiner was not whether the "Hate Crime" category was valid.
The issue raised by Steiner was that black against white crime may be a racially motivated hate crime, but ignored as a hate crime by investigators, unlike white against black crime.
I think Steiner has a valid point.
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so, NOW, you are asserting that the police AND the FBI are part of a conspiracy to conceal that African Americans hate us white folk (for no reason...LOL) and go out of their way to commit these crimes against us....ONLY because we are white(i think that's the definition of a hate crime right?)
actually Art, he was NOT enditing the police or the FBI ...from what i read he was enditing the newspapers..which i don't read cuz most of them are liberal rags...EXCEPT down here in Mississississississip....there are no liberals down here... at least ones that will admit it...
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