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Legal Challenge Blocks Anti-Immigration Initiative in Arizona
By John Turner Gilliland
CNSNews.com Correspondent
December 03, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - Last-minute legal wrangling means a ballot initiative aimed at restricting illegal immigration in Arizona has been put on hold.

The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF) has filed suit in federal district court in Tucson, Ariz., and Judge David Bury has granted a temporary restraining order that keeps Gov. Janet Napolitano from signing Proposition 200 into law until after it passes constitutional muster.

Had the lawsuit not been filed, Napolitano would have signed the measure into law on Dec. 1.

In his ruling granting the temporary restraining order, Bury wrote: "The court finds itself in an extremely undesirable position. On the one hand, a majority of Arizona voters cast their ballots in favor of Proposition 200, and this court is loathe to disregard their decision. On the other hand, this court is obligated to uphold the Constitution of the United States, even when to do so stands in opposition to popular opinion."

On Nov. 2, nearly six in 10 Arizona voters said yes to Proposition 200. The measure would deny all public benefits to anyone who cannot prove legal residency and would force state workers to report any applicants who they feel may be here illegally.

It would also force anyone registering to vote in Arizona to show proof of citizenship, and he or she would then have to present a government-issued photo ID at the polling place.

MALDEF, as well as attorneys representing plaintiffs ranging from undocumented workers to Phoenix city firefighters, claim that Proposition 200 -- or the Protect Arizona Now (PAN) Initiative -- crosses jurisdictional lines by making state employees into de facto immigration agents.

The plaintiffs also claim Proposition 200 conflicts with the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) by discouraging thousands of legal Arizona residents from going to the polls.

While MALDEF spokeswoman J.C. Flores refused to comment to CNSNews.com, citing the website's "conservative editorial stance," a press release touting the judge's decision says: "Proposition 200 is an illegal, impermissible, unconstitutional state attempt to regulate immigration policy, which is a fundamental function and responsibility of our federal government. Proposition 200 is mean-spirited and un-American."

Randy Pullen, a Proposition 200 supporter and chairman of the group "Yes on Proposition 200", said that is untrue and unfair: "We are pretty confident that constitutional law is on our side," he stated.

Pullen added that despite rumors the case was filed in Tucson rather than Phoenix to appeal to a more sympathetic court, "Judge Bury is fair, and we will get a fair hearing."

Though Gov. Napolitano and the State of Arizona are named as defendants in this case, Pullen said: "Our lawyers will file to intervene on behalf of the state, and I don't expect any opposition from the state on that. The state will lay in the middle of the road on this and let traffic pass it by."

Pullen noted that Napolitano herself has no real interest in fighting to make this measure law. "Gov. Napolitano pays lip service and says she'll enforce the will of the people, but the TRO (temporary restraining order) keeps her from having to do it."

But Democratic State Rep. Ben Miranda says Pullen is a little too confident when it comes to this measure being ruled constitutional.

"There is a lot of conflict here with federal law," Miranda said. "Its main weakness is with its denial of benefits across the board." Miranda also stated that there is a conflict with the HAVA Act, which "already controls much of what Proposition 200 proposes to control at the voting booth."

State lawyers, though, agree with Pullen. Attorney Stephen La Mar, who represents state Attorney General Terry Goddard, said the state's interpretation of the measure is not at odds with federal law and does not keep anyone from benefits to which he or she is legally entitled.

Proposition 200 has already sparked widespread confusion in Arizona's Hispanic community. Immediately after its passage, state officials noted a marked decline in attendance at various Head Start programs, and immigrant-oriented charities have been deluged with phone calls from immigrants worried that they'll either be denied benefits or deported.

Luis Ibarra of the non-Profit Friendly House said his organization has joined the lawsuit against Proposition 200 for that very reason. "We wanted to take a stance," Ibarra said, "because this measure will hurt our community."

District Judge Bury will hear arguments from both sides and will decide if a preliminary injunction is in order on Dec. 22. Pullen said that if Bury rules against Proposition 200, it then would go to the 9th Circuit in San Francisco. From there, Pullen vows to fight this through the Mountain States Legal Foundation all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.


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Should have signed it anyhow. Enough of this nonesense.
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Honestly i like it, whats 2 more months, let the judge hear arguments and articulate the ruling properly to avoid challenges down the road.

A good ruling will allow other states to follow it, a bad one will allow the first person that breaks the law to challenge, win and over turn it...


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i think the test should have come AFTER it was signed...
not before....

i think that the question of constitutionality is going to be a semantic issue anyway, isn't it keith?


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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i think the test should have come AFTER it was signed...
not before....


I was going to offer my opinion but, since it is the same as Glassman's, it must be wrong.


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if we are going to FIX the illegal alien problem properly, there is a simple solution...

make hiring illegals UNPROFITABLE, and attach the proper social stigma to it...
it is a form of slavery, since illegals (PROPERLY,should) have no rights at all...

there are plenty of restauranteurs, tradesmen and contractors that would report unfair compettitive trade practices that hurt them, if they had somebody to report it to.....

i don't care how much the liberals want to think of it as a form of "helping" poor people improve their situation in life...it's ILLEGAL....

[This message has been edited by glassman (edited December 08, 2004).]


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we should help others, feed and care for the world. The worse off a person is,the more we should give.

We need to take in aliens, particularly from Africa, and house, feed, and medically care for them for as long as is needed.

Since no one wants to do this we should force others (taxpayers) to do it. Since 5% of the taxpayers pay most of the tax in this country, this means we should force this 5% of our citizens to pay for most of this. Since we all fit into the 95% category, it will be easy to vote liberals into office and get this done.

Let's give away the store and reduce the U.S. to a 3rd world country - vote liberal!


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it's even worse Art, cuz the people that the illegals displace are generally young people who should be learning the value of hard work...and instead, they are becoming lazy and self-centered consumers....

i have always taken MUCH pride in working with my hands, even tho it generally pays less...something is never learned if you do not at least go through the experience at some point in your life...


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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:

i have always taken MUCH pride in working with my hands, even tho it generally pays less...something is never learned if you do not at least go through the experience at some point in your life...

I agree with you again. As a retired sperm donor, I have derived much pleasure working with my hands.


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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i think the test should have come AFTER it was signed...
not before....

i think that the question of constitutionality is going to be a semantic issue anyway, isn't it keith?



the test always comes after its signed, thats why ****ty laws or rules are not followed. It needs to be clarified right away on the first case.

you are right in do it now, check it later, but lots of years of worthless law and people getting off free go by.

if they make some ****ty law thats reactionary an makes everyone happy, it takes twice as long to turn it over....



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what i was wondering is why we interpret the constitution to afford rights to non-citizens...
not that they don't have rights, but rights to services that we pay for? i don't think so...
in SoCali, i know for a fact that the teachers in the elem schools were IGNORING the laws concerning which languages we speak....
language is the basis for thought, and what language we think in defines US....

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
what i was wondering is why we interpret the constitution to afford rights to non-citizens...
not that they don't have rights, but rights to services that we pay for? i don't think so...
in SoCali, i know for a fact that the teachers in the elem schools were IGNORING the laws concerning which languages we speak....
language is the basis for thought, and what language we think in defines US....


that interpretation you speak of is completely insane! the ruling was awfull. obviously not making any common sense and will be overturned.

sadly there are judges with agendas, when they shouldn't have any, its their job to interpret the law, and i read that law.

**** me if that law says anyone whose none american enjoys american rights. some of these LIBERAL judges, need to use the constitution more, its a pretty simple document.

and no arnold cannot beome president...



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We will have to bring back the firing squad thats it everything solved
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If there were gangs of thieves sneaking onto your property and stealing from you, you would stop them, right?

That is what illegal aliens are doing - stealing from taxpayers in draining our resources (free schooling, welfare aid, and medical care) and taking our jobs.

Politicians won't stop them because small businesses depends on illegal aliens for cheap labor, and small businesses contribute to both parties.

[This message has been edited by Art (edited December 10, 2004).]


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and the small businesses CONTRACT with the BIG businesses who also donate to both parties....

anybody getting an addition on their house this year?

or going out to dinner and/or a hotel this weekend?

we are all doing it and we all need to do something about it instead of pretending it will fix itself...
most of these people are decent folks...
BUT they and their employers are still participating in CRIMINAL activity...

and i don't mean amnesty, the LAST amnesty was supposed to be the LAST AMNESTY


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