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" Mr. Hollande has promised to move quickly to implement his traditionally Socialist tax-and-spend program with higher taxes on the rich to help finance increased state spending."

http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/05/06/projection-socialist-hollande- becomes-new-french-president/


I am sure the most productive french citizens are all about that!

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cash, they voted Sarkozy out cuz the whole right wing aganda is more of the same thing Bush and Cheney gave US... even Bush knew the Govt had to step in and save the world economy, so he acted against your claimed principles, like he should have,

face facts, it's mythology that you can fix an economy by cutting govt spending more than a %age pint or two per year, you lose too many jobs.. Dave Ramsey is very samrt adn right on when it comes to the Family Money mangemetn, but the Govt ain't Family, it's the last resort.

romeny can't beat Obama with the plans he has put up so far.. people inthemiddle like me might not be real happy with Obama, but we are not stupid either [Wink] we will vote for somebody, and i twon't likely be Romney.. Paul? yep, Obama, if not paul, but Romeny is the biggest flipflopper ever, even bigger than Kerry was [Razz]

the rightwon't show upin bignumbers for romney and theleft will still show up for Obama.

somwthing could still happen to propel romney past obama, like if Obama suddenly sprouted horns in the middle of a debate [Big Grin]

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quote:
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cash, they voted Sarkozy out cuz the whole right wing aganda is more of the same thing Bush and Cheney gave US... even Bush knew the Govt had to step in and save the world economy, so he acted against your claimed principles, like he should have,

face facts, it's mythology that you can fix an economy by cutting govt spending more than a %age pint or two per year, you lose too many jobs.. Dave Ramsey is very samrt adn right on when it comes to the Family Money mangemetn, but the Govt ain't Family, it's the last resort.

romeny can't beat Obama with the plans he has put up so far.. people inthemiddle like me might not be real happy with Obama, but we are not stupid either [Wink] we will vote for somebody, and i twon't likely be Romney.. Paul? yep, Obama, if not paul, but Romeny is the biggest flipflopper ever, even bigger than Kerry was [Razz]

the rightwon't show upin bignumbers for romney and theleft will still show up for Obama.

somwthing could still happen to propel romney past obama, like if Obama suddenly sprouted horns in the middle of a debate [Big Grin]

I think the right will show up for Romney. This election is about beating Obama more than it is about Romney, just like 2008 when Bush did the job to get Obama elected.
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quote:
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I think the right will show up for Romney. This election is about beating Obama more than it is about Romney, just like 2008 when Bush did the job to get Obama elected. [/QB]
and cash, that's exaclty why this coutnry is being flushed.

think carefully about your motives. i am allabout gettingrid of everybody in office and starting over.

BUT, and this is a really a huge BUTT. The HERITAGE FOUNDATION and Dole and Gingrich came up with the basic blueprint that is now called Obamacare (don't even question that; i can cut and paste from the original recomendations/documentations) Romney is the one who implemented Obamacare in his home state first and now they are all runnng against their own plans.

now, tell true, do you really think the People are that dumb? cuz that's teh biggest BUTT in all of this. if the people are dumbe enbought o forget how we got here, then we get what we deserve anyway and all the complaining and moaning is just for show

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onemore thing about the ukltra-Right? they still haven't accepted Mormonism as Christian. right or wrong? some Romney adversary will be unveiling the Mormon advertising campaign that involves hundreds of millions of dollars to appear to become a member of the Christian Church Community... i am not interested in trying to judge that, but i assure you they will judge it, and that argument is already raging all over the web, it's actually pretty ugly, Mormonism is a cult.. google it up...

on youtube right now, they are running ads professing their Christianity to try to change that view. Just having to do that is an admission of sorts.

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I'm fairly conservative and here is how I will vote this November...

First Choice: Paul
Second Choice: Obama

I wouldn't give Romney the time of day let alone my vote...

BTW CCM...I have NEVER voted for a democrat

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NEVER EVER?

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Obama doesn't need to show up for debates -- Romney has covered both sides on every issue

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
NEVER EVER?

NEVER...but I will this year if my choices are Obama or Romney

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at least we don't have to worry about electing a Socialist in America:

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i have begun to notice something odd about my fb studies. people that i know from several differnt backgrounds, (liberal and conservative) are pretty much complaining about the same things, and oddly enought there's no mention of their complaints and ht sytems behind those complaints on the "TV news" at all...

maybe cuz no matter what channel you watch? they are all owned by the same people?

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"i have begun to notice something odd about my fb studies. people that i know from several differnt backgrounds, (liberal and conservative) are pretty much complaining about the same things, and oddly enought there's no mention of their complaints and ht sytems behind those complaints on the "TV news" at all..."


such as?

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such as the realisation that our govt really is owned by a few major corproations, one of them being Goldamn..

the Tparty people that i know are slowly catching on, the Libertarians (that i most strongly identify with) have known for years (as have the libs) and the younger people and kids i know have found it thru occupy...

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
"i have begun to notice something odd about my fb studies. people that i know from several differnt backgrounds, (liberal and conservative) are pretty much complaining about the same things, and oddly enought there's no mention of their complaints and ht sytems behind those complaints on the "TV news" at all..."


such as?

BTW cash? i'm not even anti-biz, anti-gov, or anti-corporation at all.

what i am against is corruption in general...

weyellll, unless i am on the receiving end, then it is OK [Big Grin]

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Again France leads the world when it comes t dishing out economic antibiotics.

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quote:
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Again France leads the world when it comes t dishing out economic antibiotics.

we have an acquaintance that just spent ten years in France, and he said it war real laid back there...

he loved it , and he's a real dyed in the wool southern republican...

there is something to be said for lifestyle versus chasing the buck...


i do not want to see 70% taxes, and that's the rumor that France is going to get under this new guy....

IMO? we can fix our problems in ten years here with 1% up per year on taxes for EVERYONE over the next five years, and 1/2 to 1% federal spending cuts for EVERY single program over th e next ten ...

that's the only hting that makes sense. IF we had continued the stimulus to support the states? and not cut federal jobs? we would be seeing steady decrease in joblessness... as it is? the Govt job cuts are why we stalled again...

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Glass, are you going to vote for Obama, or Mitt Romney?

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
"i have begun to notice something odd about my fb studies. people that i know from several differnt backgrounds, (liberal and conservative) are pretty much complaining about the same things, and oddly enought there's no mention of their complaints and ht sytems behind those complaints on the "TV news" at all..."


such as?

BTW cash? i'm not even anti-biz, anti-gov, or anti-corporation at all.

what i am against is corruption in general...

weyellll, unless i am on the receiving end, then it is OK [Big Grin]

Problem is Glass that biz, gov, and corps are ALL corrupt...therefore I am anti-biz, anti-gov and anti-corp

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Glass, are you going to vote for Obama, or Mitt Romney?

CCM...do you read ANYTHING that ANYBODY posts here????? EVER???

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quote:
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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Glass, are you going to vote for Obama, or Mitt Romney?

CCM...do you read ANYTHING that ANYBODY posts here????? EVER???
I asked glass a question. People change minds.
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cash, i WILL VOTE!. why do you care who?
that is 90% of the problem IMO...

there is too much apathy. that's why i have spent hte last two years arguing over petty crap with you.

i am trying (and i assume you have been too) to get people to get of their asses and got vote. for whoever they want.
there is too much apathy... and no it doesn't matter to me if you vote Romeny or Obama as long as you actually go to the polls and DO IT!

i have run out of patience in the sense that i cannot seem to find any rhyme or reason tot eh politcal machine anymore. too many outright lies, too much who slung mud on who... fact is, if you throw mud? you still got yourself muddy too..

oddly enough? i am on record for years here as NOT being FOR gay marriage. (sort of like Obama) not because i wanted to deprive Gays of their rights, but because i think this changes the defintion of marriage.

i posted 6 or 7 years ago that i beleive gays (or whatever) should be allowed to have a Civil Union (recognised in every state) that grant them the same civil rights of being married, but that they are not really married.
now? after five years of debating it? i see that i am actually for gay marriage just like Obama has just come out and said. know why? cuz a gay couple should be able to get ALL of the legal protections i get by being married, and those rights in the form of civil union have bene denied to them, so i will still vote for Obama like i said i would last week except that if Paul is on the Menu? I will pick him first.

Churches cannot be forced to "join" people, i rcognise that, but he State can, and has the obligation to make the same rights availble to gays that heteros have... this has been a very divisive an non-productive argument for twenty years now.. it's time to bury it. equal rights is equal rights.

Romeny says he think gay couples can adopt... so there is no differnce, except Romney is just another year or two away from realising thet everybody deserves to enjoy the same governmental rights...

if i set up an LLC? i can have most of the rights married couple enjoy, but not all... and some of those rights are critical,rights of surviviorship can be set up but being in the hsopital with them cannot be...

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quote:
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Originally posted by glassman:
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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
"i have begun to notice something odd about my fb studies. people that i know from several differnt backgrounds, (liberal and conservative) are pretty much complaining about the same things, and oddly enought there's no mention of their complaints and ht sytems behind those complaints on the "TV news" at all..."


such as?

BTW cash? i'm not even anti-biz, anti-gov, or anti-corporation at all.

what i am against is corruption in general...

weyellll, unless i am on the receiving end, then it is OK [Big Grin]

Problem is Glass that biz, gov, and corps are ALL corrupt...therefore I am anti-biz, anti-gov and anti-corp
i noticed... hence my "joke" about about being on the receiving end... that's th real problem... too many people willing ot cut that corner...

the whole state of MS is full of "subsidsed private industry"... Nisaan and Toyota even get it...

JPMorgan just got caught dropping the soap int he Turkish bathhouse? I doubt it....

my BET/GUESS is thta htey just tranferred about 1.8 billion in wealth to some "friends with privileges"...

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Stocks of the major U.S. banking companies fell sharply in premarket U.S. trading Friday, led lower by J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. after the bank revealed a $2 billion trading loss in a previously little-known corner of the bank's vast operations.

J.P. Morgan shares were down about 8% ahead of the U.S. market open, and stocks of other major banking companies were down by a range of 2% to nearly 4%, exceeding moves lower in the major stock index futures.

Citigroup was off 3.8%, Goldman Sachs was down 2.7%, Bank of America was down 2.5%, Morgan Stanley was 2.1% lower and Wells Fargo was down 1.8%.

J.P. Morgan's loss--detailed in a hastily arranged conference call late Thursday--stemmed from a large hedge position that was essentially bullish on the economy, by selling credit default swaps on an index of corporate debt.

The cost of the swaps began to rise last month, and the bank began to unwind the position at a loss.


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120511-710858.html

when the economy collpased and 7 trillion$ "disappeared from the markets? that was ALSO a huge transfer of wealth, the largest ever seen in history...

BUT the corproate talking heads on TV? they don't cover who was on th ewinning side of those trades do they?

that is what's really going on folks.. cry if you care, get angry. whatever... that's what's really happening,a nd slowly but surely the "common people" are beginning to realise the truth..

the Truth is that in EVERY trade, there is awinner and a loser.. the US people have bene losing most every trade for almost ten years now...

i know th epeices fit, cuz i watched them fall away...

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
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Originally posted by buckstalker:
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Originally posted by glassman:
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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
"i have begun to notice something odd about my fb studies. people that i know from several different backgrounds, (liberal and conservative) are pretty much complaining about the same things, and oddly enough there's no mention of their complaints and ht systems behind those complaints on the "TV news" at all..."

Who really cares about homos/gays/queers? This is a trading site. Seems to me, we should focus on the phucked-up chit that Wall Street proliferates:

namely: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/jamies-cryin-dimon-j-p-morga n-chase-lose-2-billion-20120511
such as?

BTW cash? i'm not even anti-biz, anti-gov, or anti-corporation at all.

what i am against is corruption in general...

weyellll, unless i am on the receiving end, then it is OK [Big Grin]

Problem is Glass that biz, gov, and corps are ALL corrupt...therefore I am anti-biz, anti-gov and anti-corp
i noticed... hence my "joke" about about being on the receiving end... that's th real problem... too many people willing ot cut that corner...

the whole state of MS is full of "subsidsed private industry"... Nisaan and Toyota even get it...

JPMorgan just got caught dropping the soap int he Turkish bathhouse? I doubt it....

my BET/GUESS is thta htey just tranferred about 1.8 billion in wealth to some "friends with privileges"...

NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Stocks of the major U.S. banking companies fell sharply in premarket U.S. trading Friday, led lower by J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. after the bank revealed a $2 billion trading loss in a previously little-known corner of the bank's vast operations.

J.P. Morgan shares were down about 8% ahead of the U.S. market open, and stocks of other major banking companies were down by a range of 2% to nearly 4%, exceeding moves lower in the major stock index futures.

Citigroup was off 3.8%, Goldman Sachs was down 2.7%, Bank of America was down 2.5%, Morgan Stanley was 2.1% lower and Wells Fargo was down 1.8%.

J.P. Morgan's loss--detailed in a hastily arranged conference call late Thursday--stemmed from a large hedge position that was essentially bullish on the economy, by selling credit default swaps on an index of corporate debt.

The cost of the swaps began to rise last month, and the bank began to unwind the position at a loss.


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120511-710858.html

when the economy collpased and 7 trillion$ "disappeared from the markets? that was ALSO a huge transfer of wealth, the largest ever seen in history...

BUT the corproate talking heads on TV? they don't cover who was on th ewinning side of those trades do they?

that is what's really going on folks.. cry if you care, get angry. whatever... that's what's really happening,a nd slowly but surely the "common people" are beginning to realise the truth..

the Truth is that in EVERY trade, there is awinner and a loser.. the US people have bene losing most every trade for almost ten years now...

i know th epeices fit, cuz i watched them fall away...



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