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The Latest GOP Assaults on Women

By ThinkProgress War Room on Apr 27, 2012 at 5:05 pm


The Republican War on Women Is Only Getting Bigger

While continuing to deny there is any such thing, the Republicans continue their all-out war on women, their health care, and their families.

Here’s the latest.

All of the Senators Voting Against the Violence Against Women Act Were Republican Men

Yesterday, the Senate passed the Violence Against Women Act by an overwhelming 68-31 margin. While every Democrat and all five female Republican senators voted to reauthorize and expand the landmark law, a whopping 31 of their male colleagues voted no.

Meanwhile, House Republicans are going to be crafting a watered down version that leaves out important protections for LGBT people, immigrants, Native Americans, and others.

It’s shameful that some Republicans apparently believe that all women are not entitled to protection from abuse. House Republicans even called the idea that all women deserve protection “controversial.”

House Republicans Rob Health Fund for Women, Children to Pay For Student Loans

Instead of asking Big Oil or millionaires and billionaires to pay their fair share so student loan interest rates don’t double, House Republicans instead passed a bill today that paid for extending the current rates by outright repealing a preventive health fund that disproportionately benefits women and children. From the White House’s veto threat:


Women, in particular, will benefit from this Prevention Fund, which would provide for hundreds of thousands of screenings for breast and cervical cancer. This is a politically-motivated proposal and not the serious response that the problem facing America’s college students deserves.

This new attack was denounced just before today’s vote by Democratic women, including Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (CA).

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ray, even the ACLU pointed out some of the flaws to this bill when it was first passed under clinton...

there's no doubt that women need protection, but theee's even some reasonable debate as to whther the Constitution allows for mandatory sentencing in any case...

Courts have generally upheld the constitutionality of sentencing guidelines; however the guidelines have recently been under strict scrutiny (Lee, 1995). In general, a defendant has a Sixth Amendment right to a trial by jury. The right has been extended for the jury to decide on the facts material to the crime charged. An issue appears when judges decide on facts other than prior convictions for administering punishment. When the judge uses presumptive sentencing guidelines they are removing the right of a trial by jury.

the landmark case of Booker v. Washington (2005) reversed these mandatory guidelines and ruled sentencing guidelines are advisory.


in other words? a Jury is supposed to be decifding what the punishment is, not the Congress/govenernment. The governemtn has been slowly but surely eroding this notion from the day they ratified the Constitution...It's the same in tort reform, tort reform erodes the Juries ability to determine damages too..

why was this bill designed to expire? why do we have some bills that are poltical hotbuttons set to expire every four years? we all know the answer to that

so people can argue about them over and over again?

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Top Republican Strategist Denies Women Are Paid Less Than Men

By Igor Volsky on Apr 29, 2012 at 11:54 am


This morning, during a heated discussion with Rachel Maddow on Meet The Press, GOP consultant Alex Castellanos denied that women make 77 cents for a man’s dollar in the workplace and noted, “there are lots of reasons for that.” Maddow expressed shock at the assertion, but concluded that it explained why Republicans and Mitt Romney are so hesitant to embrace the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, a law that helps women hold accountable employers who discriminate in the pay practices based on gender.

“Now we know, at least from both of your perspectives,” Maddow said, pointing to Castellanos and Romney surrogate Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA), “women are not fairing worse than men in the economy that women aren’t getting paid less for equal work.” “It’s about policy and whether or not you want to fix some of the structural discrimination that women really do face that Republicans don’t believe is happening,” she added. Castellanos responded to Maddow’s policy argument by remarking on her passion, to which the MSNBC host took offense:


CASTELLANOS: It is about policy and I love how passionate you are. I wish you were as right about what you’re saying as you are passionate about it. I really do.

MADDOW: That’s really condescending. This is a stylistic issue. My passion on this issue is actually me making a factual argument on it.

In an interview with ABC News’ Diane Sawyer earlier this month, Romney refused to say whether he would sign the Lilly Ledbetter Act, but claimed that he would not change it. Romney’s women surrogates — including McMorris Rodgers — all voted against the legislation. Castellanos himself consulted Romney during the 2008 presidential election.

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There is no Republican war on women, this is a sick side show. Really? A war on women? Good grief.

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
There is no Republican war on women, this is a sick side show. Really? A war on women? Good grief.

if you actually knew any? you wouldn't say that.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
There is no Republican war on women, this is a sick side show. Really? A war on women? Good grief.

if you actually knew any? you wouldn't say that.
If I actually knew any? Any what, women? Im looking for concrete facts here people, not slogans, what ifs, or radical ideology.

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LOL... concrete fact? women do get paid 77% o waht men do in the same jobs.
wake up cash, live in the real world not some cult dream created by the party of your choice.

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not slogans, what ifs, or radical ideology.

you mean like drill baby drill?

sheeeessh... what a bunch of losers man

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Top 10 Shocking Attacks from the GOP's War on Women

1) Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they're actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven't yet. Shocker.

2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to "accuser." But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain "victims."

3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)

4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.

5) In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.


6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.


7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.

8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.

9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.

10) And if that wasn't enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can't make this stuff up).
Sources:

1. "'Forcible Rape' Language Remains In Bill To Restrict Abortion Funding," The Huffington Post, February 9, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=206084

"Extreme Abortion Coverage Ban Introduced," Center for American Progress, January 20, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=205961

2. "Georgia State Lawmaker Seeks To Redefine Rape Victims As 'Accusers,'" The Huffington Post, February 4, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=206007

3. "South Dakota bill would legalize killing abortion doctors," Salon, February 15, 2011
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2011/02/15/south_dakota_abortion_killing_bill

4. "House GOP Proposes Cuts to Scores of Sacred Cows," National Journal, February 9, 2011
http://nationaljournal.com/house-gop-proposes-cuts-to-scores-of-sacred-cows-2011 0209

5. "New GOP Bill Would Allow Hospitals To Let Women Die Instead Of Having An Abortion," Talking Points Memo, February 4, 2011
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=205974

6. "Republican Officials Cut Head Start Funding, Saying Women Should be Married and Home with Kids," Think Progress, February 16, 2011
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/16/gop-women-kids/

7. "Bye Bye, Big Bird. Hello, E. Coli," The New Republic, Feburary 12, 2011
http://www.tnr.com/blog/83387/house-republican-spending-cuts-pell-education-usda -pbs

8. "House GOP spending cuts will devastate women, families and economy," The Hill, February 16, 2011
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/144585-house-gop-spendin g-cuts-will-devastate-women-families-and-economy-

9. "House passes measure stripping Planned Parenthood funding," MSNBC, February 18,2011
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/18/6080756-house-passes-measure-str ipping-planned-parenthood-funding

"GOP Spending Plan: X-ing Out Title X Family Planning Funds," Wall Street Journal, February 9, 2011
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/02/09/gop-spending-plan-x-ing-out-title-x-fam ily-planning-funds/

10. Ibid.

"Birth Control for Horses, Not for Women," Blog for Choice, February 17, 2011
http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2011/02/birth-control-f.html


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Thousands Rally At ‘We Are Women’ Protests Across The Country: ‘Enough Of The War On Women’

By Igor Volsky on Apr 30, 2012 at 9:53 am


Women across the country participated in “We Are Women” rallies on Saturday to protest state legislation limiting access to contraception and abortion. Hundreds of advocates gathered in Kansas, Colorado, Virginia, Florida, Arkansas, Idaho, and Oklahoma to demand that lawmakers abandon efforts to undermine women’s health.

“Today’s rally was part of a national movement that has had enough of the war on women,” Kansas rally organizer Kari Ann Rinker said. “Not only do we have a governor who sees fit to sign every piece of anti-choice legislation that crosses his desk, the atrocity is the failure to care for the living, breathing children and families that reside here in Kansas.” Protesters in Virginia carried signs that read “Stop the War on Virginia Women,” “Women’s Rights are Human Rights” and “Va. Gov. McDonnell. The Vaginal Probe Guy.” And demonstrators in Oklahoma — where lawmakers have approved more than 30 anti-abortion measures since the GOP gained control of the House after 2004 — rallied against the state’s personhood measure, noting, “That’s not progress. That’s not even status quo backward.”

The Guttmacher Institute estimates that so far this year, at least 45 state legislatures have introduced 944 measures related to reproductive health. At least 75 abortion restrictions passed at least one legislative chamber, and nine have been enacted into law.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
not slogans, what ifs, or radical ideology.

you mean like drill baby drill?

sheeeessh... what a bunch of losers man

Drill baby drill is radical because.....

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LOL.. can't you even tell tell the differnce between a slogan and an ideology?

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i guess Palin can't either:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iolgiIvfV-0


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cults typically cultivate paranoia in their followers...

the paranoia here is that the largest portion of America (ultra-lefties and ultra-rigth-wingers excluded) is not against mining and drilling. they are NOT! they are against wastefulness and irresponsible behaviour. fact is? the mining and the oil industries have allowed too many of their own participants to be totally irrepnsible.

the free market only works as idealistic notion just like communism only works as an idealistic notion.
in true free markets you MUST allow failure to be experienced by the participants in order to discover everything. from price discovery to over or undersupply to inefficiency? you must ALLOW it ALL to happen...

all this new cult does is try to blame the govt for those failure discoveries. in reality? the Govt is there for a signficant purpose. it is there to generally protect the average person from the worst parts of the discovery of the failures that are an absolute requirement in a Free market. The ultra-right has no problem in forcing people not to discover the failures they belive are sins, or failures like smoking a joint but everything else is fair game? LOL...

simply put? if a toothpaste company is using lead to whiten the teeth of their customers? they will be very successful for years until the customers begin to puzzle out that the lead is making their kids smile bright and their brains dim. discovery usually takes years and costs much more than "just" $$$$$

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Planned Parenthood Claims Victory After Helping To Oust NC Legislator Who Voted For Anti-Abortion Bill

By Amanda Peterson Beadle posted from ThinkProgress Health on May 10, 2012 at 1:50 pm


Planned Parenthood helped knock a 28-year incumbent out of the North Carolina General Assembly after the conservative Democrat sided with Republicans to vote in favor of a controversial anti-abortion bill last year. State Rep. Jim Crawford (D) joined four other Democrats who helped Republicans override Gov. Bev Perdue’s (D) veto to pass legislation that requires women get ultrasound exams, receive counseling, and wait 24 hours before having an abortion.

Planned Parenthood responded by supporting Rep. W.A. “Winkie” Wilkins’ (D) campaign against Crawford in a redrawn district that favored Wilkins. The women’s health organization claimed victory in statements released after Tuesday’s election:


“There is no question,” says Melissa Reed, vice president of public policy for Planned Parenthood Health Systems Action Fund. “Women were watching as Jim Crawford cast the deciding vote in support of legislation to undermine a woman’s right to make personal health decisions without government intrusion.” [...]

“Nowhere has the attack on women’s health been waged more viciously than in North Carolina” added Paige Johnson, vice president of public affairs for Planned Parenthood Action Fund of Central North Carolina. “Yesterday’s defeat of Jim Crawford by Winkie Wilkins shows clearly that women have had enough. We are mobilizing to help elect candidates like Winkie Wilkins, who will stand strong for women’s health in 2012 and beyond.”

Planned Parenthood also got involved in a Pennsylvania election, spending $100,000 on an ad attacking Republican Ryan Mackenzie for his support of an invasive ultrasound bill. And as state legislatures have approved another round of restrictive abortion regulations so far this year, it’s likely that women will continue to target Republicans who voted to limit their health care options.


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If Republican actions are a war on women, then abortion is a war on unborn children.

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How about this war.

http://lightbox.time.com/2012/05/10/parenting/#1


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quote:
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How about this war.

http://lightbox.time.com/2012/05/10/parenting/#1


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it's not fair to the kids.... they should not be depndant that long. 18 months is plenty sheesh...

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quote:
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If Republican actions are a war on women, then abortion is a war on unborn children.

uborn is the operative there, and this could be settled equitably and qucikly too, if it weren't a fundraiser...

normal human gestation is 280 days/40 Weeks- cut it in half and ban it in the second half unless the mother is going to DIE, and move on to more important issues. 20 weeks is a long time.

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Originally Posted By Glassman:

"it's not fair to the kids.... they should not be depndant that long. 18 months is plenty sheesh"

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It appears to be a point a parent takes without regard to what other kids and people think, let alone their own kids and neighbors.

Thought about it for awhile to try and see their point, but since it appears not to be a person that can't afford food, i seem to only see one side and it isn't hers.


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it's hard enough to get them to 18 and be ready to light out on their own... that's waht society has set... i know that at 18 i was on my own and it weren't EZ.... i know people that never lit out on their own.... i'm even related to some [Big Grin] and some of the worst are loaded with money too [BadOne]

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Originally Posted By Glassman:

"it's hard enough to get them to 18 and be ready to light out on their own... that's waht society has set... i know that at 18 i was on my own and it weren't EZ.... i know people that never lit out on their own.... i'm even related to some and some of the worst are loaded with money too"
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Sounds like we have a lot in common from the above statement... for our better or worst

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it's not that unusual of a story... i have friends with family mebers and even relaitves who lived with their folks into their 50's and buried thier parents..... i tend to aviod the company of people like that myself, but sometime you cannot avoid it...

my dad was the only one of seven kids that left thier hometown, he was the only one who didn't get a slice of the family biz.... no problem to me, they are my family, and i love them, but i don't have hardly anythign in common with 'em... it was a good biz, but the shares of it have eventually ended up in two hands out of the six... and theeconomic differnce twixt them today is hard to beleive...

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Maybe even a lot more in common than i thought from the first statement.

What happened at estate time, if that has happened yet, that's usually when it gets more interesting especially when money is involved.

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well, the way i see it? it's up to whoever writes their will to decide if they want to have their kids go thru hell or no at estate time...

honestly? i knew i was "screwed" before i was 15.... [Big Grin] and i've been OK with that for over 30 yrs now....

i was a very naughty child [Razz]

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i have to add that i consider myself lucky, i figgered out at about 12 that money (itself) was actually destroying people and relationships and while i like having it and i tend to save alot and spend very little frivolously, it's not the reason to live. That was from watching people who supposeldy loved one another use it to manipulate and treat each other like dirt.

one of the other long-tiome posters here has th right idea, he knows who he is if he's still reading and posting, buy silver and bury it in your yard, don't tell people like your kids, surprise 'em (they won't have to pay taxes on it either) [Smile]
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I forgot to add at estate time, if there is any money left.

Being naughty isn't all that bad.

But my guess is from what you said in your two statements that naughty has nothing to do with it in the long run.

Probably naughty is used by those closest to the money to try and get more.

You either have to live your life or spend your life worrying about the money and who stays closest to the money,if people don't want to be fair and do the right thing.

Not sure it's worth it except you probably feel bad for your own family if they decide to be jerks.

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i've watched liftime savings be wiped clean by "grownup" children on two seperate occasions now, while the parents were still alive... the only way to accept it is to understand that the "kids" are in their fifties and are cluelss on how to live any better now than they did when they were still at home at 49-50... pitiful really.

the lesson i learned is to make sur emy own kids know how to light out on their own too... best way to live.

my naughtiness was not imagined, maybe not too unique either, i'm OK with it... bitterness is not conducive to productivity.

one of my own fualts may be that i am too easy to forgive, but forget? now that i have a hard time with, good or bad, memories don't evaporate for me like i soemtimes wish...

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Naughtiness when people are younger should be just part of life, but i guess it should depend on extremes.

Some probably has to do with rebelling against what we see and hear growing up.

Lets face it, the service doesn't take just anybody. [Smile]


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LOL.. iwish, i served with guys that were given the choice of jail or signing up. some of my best buds were the ones i knew i could walk into a strange bar anywhere int he world and feel safe....

naughtiness is a realtive thing, i dated (at 16) a girl i was in lvoe with (as much as you can be at 16) whose daddy owned a caddy dealership. i was not anywhere close to her league of naughtiness (or cash flow) tho... one day she shows up with her own new caddy (as oppposed to the dealer demos she usually had) -a 500 cubic inch monster with cruise control (a big deal then)
after setting the cruise control at 110 on I270 in gaithersburg md for a about ten miles she proceeded to show me some off-roading on other people property....
she and me along with her did 100,000 grand in damage that night...
to her? it was how to get back at her dad for ignoring her and there was no penalty other than another new caddy...
to me, the excitemtn was to get away with all of it, which i did...

now that's not a good example of what i did when i was like 9- or ten...

i used to shoot (target tip, not braodheads) arrows straight up in th eair and make all the other kids run [Wink] i was in like a different time zone from the people around me... to me? a falling arrow is slow and can easily be ducked, but i just didn't realise just how scary that stuff is to other people... i made lots omatch bombs and even made a bunch with disaasembeld ammo by the time i was twelve, and nobody ever got hurt (well bad anyway [Wink] i was th kid that disassembled th eM80's (the real ones) and made made M1080's ... still got all my fingers and eyes, and so do the kids who watched... it was fun, but i was not the parents favorite for obvious reasons...

in Judo class, i was taught self Discipline, but it was an odd type of Martial Discipline, not "fit into society" discipline.......

i did some crazy chit...

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M-80's another good story, i must have been about 11.

i had mabye 100 of them and they wer totally illegal in my state... this is Suburbia, now, not the country, and my dad was mayor.

we had some 4 inch grey plastic drain pipes in th eback yard, brand new, ten feet long.

i took two dog food cans poked a hole in the closed end of one with a 16 penny nail. put the M80 in with thefuse stuck thru the hole then put the other can open end to open end. stuck the whole thing into the pipe, put the pipe at abut 30 degrees in the air and lit the fuse... that dog food can broke the wooden fence...

the next shot we put three houses down... never got caught on that one either... prolly cuz we only had a few empty dog food cans, or i woulda done it til the cops showed up. [Were Up]

i was a natural for the navy EOD team but i got into brawl with a couple too many people one night had to have my right shoulder rebuilt...

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Originally Posted By Glassman:

LOL.. iwish, i served with guys that were given the choice of jail or signing up. some of my best buds were the ones i knew i could walk into a strange bar anywhere int he world and feel safe
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I knew a few also but thought i would throw it in anyway.

One good buddy in the service had put a pool stick over a guy in a bar, jail or Vietnam for a second tour, he thought at times maybe he made the wrong choice.

Sounds like you had some exciting times, many have had a few, not necessarily to that extreme but probably lucky we were not in a lot more trouble.

I remember cherry bombs when we were younger but i don't remember seeing any m-80's until my kids were older in Wash, we could get them on the Indian reservation if wanted.

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M-80's in the late 60's early 70's were not th eM80 of today.

i have family on the NC SC border so my cousins (about 100) could drive 20 miles to SC and buy these firecrackers that were nothing like what we get today.

i took apart all of 'em that i got at one time or another. i started off pretty young too... like 9?

i was unrolling those Estes rocket engines even before that. They were most fun if you just glue a couple fins on them tho...

a regualr fircracker, black cat or lady finger is tightly wrppped paer rolled around some silvery gray black powder. The Estes rocket powder was pure black. Black powder isn't really an explosive, it just burns very fast. The wicks or fuses on lady fingers and balck cats are also "just" paper rolled around the same stuff... take apart ten black cats and make a little pile and you get alot of grey smoke and an orange flame. It is more or less the same thing our great-granpappy's and their dads used in their guns even when cartridges came out.

now, a real M80 or an ash-can - i dunno where the termash-can came from, prolly a brand name,they had cannon fuse (usually green an waxy looking) and the construction was a cardboard tube similar to a toilet paper roll, or paper towel roll only thicker. It would be waterproofed as is the cannon fuse. There's glue on either end and they were about an inch to an inchanadhalf long, and a half inch across.

I clearly remember the first time i disassembled one. The powder was not powder at all. I didn't know it at he time, but it was pure nitrocellulose. It looked like wood shavings instead of powder. I have seen what looks like cotton in some M-80's too that's also nitro cellulose, and they are not waterproofed so that you can blow the toilets off the wall at school, (nope i never did that) they are waterproof so the nitro don't leak out from waht htey call 'sweating', and the nitorcellulose won't acidify and break down.
I piled all of the contents of one M-80 on some paper and lit it and backed off expecting a really big flash... the damn thing exploded without being packed like black powder requires. That was the closest i ever came to getting hurt cuz i only got about 3 steps back and i was facing it... i do learn quick tho, and i realised that i had soemthing really unique, and better be craftier if ididn't want lose an eye [Wink] I was not even 11 yet. There is big friggin differnce between guncotton (nitrocellulose) and black powder.

took aprt quite a few road flares over the years too... road falres are very similar to thermite [Wink]

when i lived in the Tidewaterarea? I did alot of boating, boat repairs (cars too) and i spent alot of time poking around in boat junkyards... I picked up every out of date signal rocket i could ever find. The good ones cost at least 40$ NEW and they are sealed to last about ten years... But every one i ever found still worked and some of them were 25 years old. coast guard will tell you to rpeplace them when they go out of date, and so will i, cuz whne you really need one? it better friggin work-- they are pretty cool 1000 feet in the air is impressive..

just don't shoot them off on a day when somebody might think you are really in distress, cuz they bring the Cavalry... I shot my last one off two years ago on new years eve here in the middle of farm country.... people were telling me about seeing it two weks later - i just grinned and nodded, yep i saw it too...
they are even better than the mortars i can legally buy here every New Years and July 4th..

i don't expect to die young

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Thinking back now we use to be able to buy slow burning fuses at the local sporting goods when i was a kid.

You could be setting in your house when fire crackers and cherry bombs went off up the street.

I never thought about it till now, why did the sporting goods stores have those fuses?

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i got 'em with the rocketeering stuff...

it's funny, my folks got me a rocket kit (estes) when i was in 3rd grade fro christmas, i built it right away but i had to wait months to launch it... i got the same kind of stuff for junior and he and th e other kids today would rather do online comabt games... i was not very well uspervised, but i made sure that i wouldn't be as much as possible. I have made sure to be on site as much as possible, but it seems unnecessary.. maybe mine are even better at being sneaky than i was?

my first kit had elctrical igniters... which if you think about it for minute/ work jsut as well on IED as they do on toy rocket...

then i found that cannon fuse (the hobby shop loved me, i had a big papaer route) and it worked on estes rockets too.. th epacks i got were made up by somebody local i'm pretty sure, cuz the plastic bag had just a mimeogrraphed picture of cannon on it and the name cannon fuse... nothing else..i think three feet were 50 cents?

we also used to do some neat stuff with steel wool... that burns with just a transistor radio battery [Wink]

sheesh, i don't want to give awya too many tricks to eh "bad guys"...

we weren't pyromaniacs per se, just maniacs i guess [Big Grin]

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