quote:Originally posted by glassman: what a joke right?
there are some of us here who had our first jobs back in the day when companies actively developed loyalty in their employees.
i'm not talking about labor jobs.
there are some who probably remember when it was simply understood.
it's all gone.
who did this? not the employees..
some time in the 80's it all disappeared.
IMO? that is why the economy has really collapsed.
at best they just just didn't care enough, at worst people actively raided their own companies on wall street.
that's why there are no Investment Banks left.
I think you can tie this directly to the widening gap between ceo salary and employee salary. Quite simply there is absolutely no concern for what's good for employees... In fact people are no longer thought of as employees.. It's all about the bottom line. Soon this might change with the new bills about to be pushed through concerning labor unions...
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well, i'm not a union person, joined one by choice after got out of the Navy (IBEW) and was enrolled in one automatically on my first real job which was blood drawer at a big county hospital (night shift during school)
Unions are needed, and if you want to be in one you should be able to, the one at the hospital didn't do jack for me. and the IBEW was OK, i just didn't care to install electric outlets in hotels for months on end....
my Grandfather got really angry with me one day when i announced i had a new job. he asked me how many jobs i had already had? i said 5. I was 27. he acted like it was some sort of bad thing.
i couldn't properly explain to him that that was how the world worked today.
BTW? my Grandad was a very successful merchant who was self-employed before and after the WW2...
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No I'm not either... But they have a place and nothing humbles a ceo like a unified workforce. And maybe that's the problem? The workforce needs to unite.
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Supreme Court rulings that allowed corporations to claim monies deposited for employee retirement accounts and medical accounts were a big factor in that loss of loyalty. Most of those accounts had been put there via union contracts and when the companies sued to make those fund simply part of the company's holding. well......
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Unions have already destroyed the big three, but if you want a union - have at it! The painful truth that we're trying to avoid is that our lifestyles have gotten much bigger than reasonable. That was fine when we weren't in a competitive world economy, but it won't work in this environment. Unions will just push more jobs overseas.
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You should see what AT&T turned into. I know this from family members. AT&T turned into at&t...upper to lower case. Seems such a smally noticeable thing, but it is huge. The company used to have loyal employees who worked until retirement. In the more recent years the company has been ransacked by young CEO wanna be hotshots who have driven the company into the ground instead of building it up stronger. They take the pay, and run and claim they were CEO of a major corporation. Look at Sprints latest years.....downward spiral.
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Another factor --- And, take it as it is but foreign contractors dont really understand loyalty.
I remember also - in late 80s - workplace in IT and business was mostly americans and more loyalty - there was comraderie -
As the years went by, esp. in IT, more and more foreign contractors hired, and in the last decade in all my IT projects I worked on, +-50% were visa sponsered. No comraderie and no loyalty -- I knew alot of these folks just didnt care- wanted the dollar and that was it- the american company was not the same -
Firms hire more foreign contractors and yes, i alyways felt at expense of Americans because I saw my wage over the years decrease . Firms think the lower wage is competitive for them but I didnt think so because most were not as productive and not loyal to the team or the company -- I remember I worked with 3 Indians that reported to me. Two would work and one was lazy- I helped them all every day and guided them thru the project - we were successful- one told me thank you for all the help - but all 3 in the next project when they had a skill I didnt know as well tried to push me out after all the help I gave them - I was distraught - I learned early on -- no loyalty to team or company-
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I think the world has changed but those firms that have loyal emplyees will have the loyal customers and better business but then those that are going bankrupt will ask govt for help and in the end, values of hard work, loyalty may not mean much--
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Any business where you serve the public old time employees that know the business are a good comodity it is to bad that these young hot shots managers who think in terms of this quater and no futher don't realize that.
Because all they are building is relationships that only last a quater.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: No I'm not either... But they have a place and nothing humbles a ceo like a unified workforce. And maybe that's the problem? The workforce needs to unite.
Workers of the World Unite!!
Btw there can't be no loyalty from employees if there is no loyalty from the company to the employee....
My Managers' brother lost his job at Nissan, manager of dealership service, after 30 years of service... who had more loyalty in this case?
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