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Legalize Prostitution

In many communities throughout the U.S., the police investigate and arrest persons involved in prostitution. A careful examination of this practice shows that it reduces the quality of life in society.

Legalization improves neighborhoods and promotes safety

By forcing prostitution out of places where it would more naturally be found, such as in brothels or near motels, the police drive that activity into the streets of neighborhoods where it otherwise would not exist. As a result, residents of the neighborhoods are exposed to the activity against their will.

Also because of prostitution being forced into the streets, the dangers to many prostitutes greatly increase. Prostitutes whose jobs involve working at night and getting into cars with strangers can be, and often have been, easy pickings for serial killers and other sociopaths. James Alan Fox, a criminal justice professor at Northeastern University, says prostitutes are the most frequent targets for serial killers.

A sensible solution to these problems would be to follow the example of some European cities, where prostitution is allowed in certain designated areas. People who are interested in the activity go to places where it's permitted, and they leave alone the neighborhoods that don't wish to be associated with it. And the prostitutes can work in environments where they are much safer.

Legalization reduces crime

Another problem with prostitution arrests is that they cause long-term increases in crime and drug abuse in society. Margo St. James, a former social worker and a leading advocate of legalizing prostitution, writes: "When a woman is charged for a sex crime, it's a stigma that lasts her lifetime, and it makes her unemployable."

St. James identifies this stigma as a major reason why a large percentage of women who are in jail were first arrested for prostitution. The arrest record forecloses normal employment possibilities, keeps the women working as prostitutes longer than they otherwise would, and sets them up for a lifetime of involvement with drugs and serious crime.

Keeping prostitution illegal also contributes to crime because many criminals view prostitutes and their customers as attractive targets for robbery, fraud, rape, or other criminal acts. The criminals realize that such people are unlikely to report the crimes to police, because the victims would have to admit they were involved in the illegal activity of prostitution when the attacks took place.

If prostitution were legal, these victims would be less reluctant to report to police any criminal acts that occurred while they were involved in it. This would significantly improve the probability of catching the criminals and preventing them from victimizing others. In many cases, it could deter them from committing the crimes in the first place.

That view is consistent with the experience of the European countries where prostitution is legal. They have far lower crime rates than the U.S.

A similar situation applies in the Nevada counties where prostitution is legal. According to Barb Brents and Kate Hausbeck, two professors of sociology at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas who have extensively studied the Nevada brothel industry, those counties are quite peaceable and have very low crime rates.

No wonder that in November 2004 in Churchill County, Nevada, a ballot proposal to outlaw prostitution was rejected by a 2-to-1 margin. Although the county is mostly Republican and supported George W. Bush for president, the same voters saw no reason to stop brothels from operating there.

Legalization promotes liberty and privacy

Laws against prostitution violate Americans' fundamental rights of individual liberty and personal privacy. Thomas Jefferson and other founders of the U.S. envisioned a society where people can live without interference from government, provided they don't harm others.

As Jefferson said in his First Inaugural Address: "A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement." Or as Arthur Hoppe wrote about consensual acts in the San Francisco Chronicle in 1992: "The function of government is to protect me from others. It's up to me, thank you, to protect me from me."

Similar to issues such as birth control, abortion, and the right to death with dignity, this issue involves people's fundamental rights to control their own bodies and decide the best way to conduct their lives. Alan Soble noted, "The freedom to choose one's reasons for engaging in sex is an important part of sexual freedom."

In a free society, it makes no sense for the government to be telling persons - particularly the poor - they cannot charge a fee for harmless services they otherwise are at liberty to give away. To paraphrase George Carlin: Selling is legal, and sex is legal, so why isn't selling sex legal?

Legalization benefits sex workers and their clients

Many people work in the sex industry because they see it as their only means of alleviating serious financial problems. Other sex workers aren't poor but simply enjoy that type of work and receive both income and personal satisfaction from it.

As one sex worker wrote in an article for a national newspaper: "All in all prostitution has been good to me and I have been good to it. . . . I don't really have to work anymore, but I love the business, so I still see my regular clients."

Likewise for the customers, there's no reason their freedom should not include the right to purchase the companionship and affection they may want but, for whatever reason, don't find in other aspects of their lives.

For example, one disabled man told researchers he was lonely and visited prostitutes because "I'm ugly, no women will go out with me. . . . It's because of my disability. So prostitutes are a sexual outlet for me." Another man reported that he did the same for a number of years due to being "anorexic and very reclusive. There was no chance of forming a relationship." A physically unattractive man added, "I pay for sex because that is the only way I can get sex."

Another person said his experiences with prostitutes and other sex workers helped him overcome an extreme aversion to physical intimacy, which had resulted from years of physical and emotional abuse while growing up. He explained: "I very likely would have died a virgin if I hadn't somehow gotten comfortable with physical intimacy, and sex workers enabled me to do that. At least for me, it's been a healing experience."

Dr. John Money, a leading sexologist and a professor at Johns Hopkins University, similarly notes that sex workers, with proper training, can assist clients in overcoming "erotic phobia" and various other sexual dysfunctions. He says that for the clients, "the relationship with a paid professional may be the equivalent of therapy."

Can anyone, other than the ignorant or cruel, argue that sex workers should not be permitted to help such persons?

Legalization puts law-enforcement resources to better uses

Numerous legal commentators point out that using law enforcement resources against prostitution reduces substantially the resources available to fight serious crimes committed against persons or property. This nation desperately needs more efforts applied to solving those crimes, because arrests are being made in connection with only about 20% of them.

And according to the Multinational Monitor, massive amounts of white-collar crime are not being prosecuted. The magazine also says the damage inflicted on society by corporate crime and violence far exceeds the harm caused by all the street crime combined. The victims of the Enron and WorldCom scandals - many of whom lost their life savings - would probably support that claim.

As Ralph Nader stated in 2000: "Law enforcement, which is supposed to protect the incomes of consumers from corporate crime, fraud and abuse is a farce, devoid of resources and the will to apply necessary law and order. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being looted from consumers yearly."

Some researchers say a reason for the inordinate amount of police attention to prostitution is that certain officers prefer duties enabling them to be with attractive women in hotel rooms or massage parlors. The duties are more pleasant, far less dangerous, and less complex than assignments requiring them to be among violent criminals who may be carrying weapons.

For instance, in 1999 at least one of the vice-squad officers in Columbus, Ohio, was regularly having sexual intercourse with prostitutes before arresting them.

After receiving negative publicity about that practice, the police division issued new guidelines limiting officers to getting completely naked with prostitutes; touching their thigh, genitals, buttock, pubic region, breast, or other regions to the extent needed "to obtain the necessary elements of the offense"; being masturbated briefly; and "momentarily" having sexual intercourse if it's "in spite of all reasonable efforts of the officer to stop." (In practice, though, the officers apparently find it necessary to use those tactics only in arresting female - not male - prostitutes.)

Because of these "requirements of their assignments," the policy directs that officers receive periodic training on sexually transmitted diseases.

Despite the revised guidelines, in 2003 the Columbus Dispatch quoted one court clerk as describing the officers' arrest reports as sometimes being so steamy she "should have a cigarette after reading it." The head of the vice squad admitted to the newspaper that "it appears officers are engaging in sexual contact."

His officers give new meaning to being "in hot pursuit." Unfortunately for the public, this nonsense goes on at the same time that Columbus has over 400 unsolved murders since 1990, including several prostitutes brutally murdered by a possible serial killer. When a frightened group of senior citizens and disabled persons asked in 2004 for more protection from violent crime, the Columbus police chief turned them down, saying, "Seventy-eight times a day we are unable to fill a cruiser because of lack of personnel." And in 2008 he acknowledged that citizens criticizing the police for insufficient patrols and slow responses to complaints "have legitimate beefs."

As for white-collar crime, the police undoubtedly know that their jobs and careers are safer by making prostitution arrests than by investigating criminals who cause serious harm but either wield political power or have strong connections to those who do. And when the corruption involves others in the police force, the notorious "Blue Wall of Silence" leads all too many officers to ignore and protect the wrongdoing of badge-wearing criminals too.

Conclusion

Our society would be better served if the police directed their efforts away from the activities of consenting adults and toward preventing and solving real crimes involving clear victims and injustices.

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I'm for legalization of it... but perhaps it should be each states' own decision... or cities... etc... not federal...

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I don't mind if they legalize it...

But I wil be furious if it jumps ahead of Pot!!! [Embarrassed]

...especialy with cigarettes being legal causing millions to die of cancer, and there not being any know medical bennefits, where pot it has several

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Good idea we will legalize them both in the same area's

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Why would you have to pay for it???

The way I see it, if you can't get any without paying for it, you don't deserve it anyway...

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Maybe a Vegas style program will be the model.

The government has to be able to tax it or it isn't happening.

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quote:
Originally posted by Highwaychild:
Why would you have to pay for it???

The way I see it, if you can't get any without paying for it, you don't deserve it anyway...

You always end up paying for it....one way or another. [Big Grin]

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LOL, yeah, but for this dog the chase is half the fun.

Besides that's one of the best things in life that's free. To pay sales tax on it just ain't right! LOL!

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NO wonder this country is going downhill. Legalizing PROSTITUTION.


Nobody seems to believe in family anymore. Especially liberals.


Look at the gay fury going on here over a pro life rick warren swearing in obama at inaugural:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16693.html


This is why I can not stand liberal politics. They have such loud mouth homosexuals kicking and screaming every chance they get which makes people get angry at them. If they could conduct themselves better than throwing fecal matter on church doors they may get more respect.

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Quote Highwaychild:

"LOL, yeah, but for this dog the chase is half the fun.

Besides that's one of the best things in life that's free. To pay sales tax on it just ain't right! LOL!"

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The chase alone will probably cost you more than you would pay for the prostitute and all those things you pay for to get to the chase and buy during the chase including gas, maybe both types. [Smile]

For a little extra money you could probably chase her around the room.

Of course if you are referring to the chase being around the local neighborhood, then you will really wish you had only paid once.

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Booty calls are free 'round here, especially late at night. [Wink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Highwaychild:
Booty calls are free 'round here, especially late at night. [Wink]

I cain't handle the late-night calls these days--I had to ask 'em to call earlier...

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Tex,

It is clear you have not learned the immense values and rewards of taking regular siestas.

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CashCow you are just afraid when you go to use the services that you pastor will be in line infront of you

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Am I?

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Am I?

Hey, weren't u in the military traveling around the world doing your duty for your country? Without a wife or gf for months or longer?. I wonder what the statistics are for military men using the services of prostitutes in other countries and me's wonder if a Cow was one of them therefor making him a hyprocrite... but he won't admit it even if he did...

Next he will say he wants to ban porn which probably aided him on lonely nights in another country if he didn't "date" prostitutes to "milk" himself... GOPer's.. can't ever make up their minds or they are usually hyprocrites if you could pry into their lives... [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Nobody seems to believe in family anymore. Especially liberals.



I wonder how many GOP registered voters have cheated on their wives or gf's vs us liberals whether with a prostitute or not. IMO GOPer's tend to be closet perverts. They spew pious statements about "family" and the "sanctity of marriage" while at the same time they frequent S&M dungeons to be punished by a dominatrix while being told they been a bad bad GOPer lol or how many of these "family" GOP men are closet gays... Larry Craig anyone? [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Tex,

It is clear you have not learned the immense values and rewards of taking regular siestas.

beeg, an illegal mexican mistress locked in the basement could require that from a person... [Razz]

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quote:
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Tex,

It is clear you have not learned the immense values and rewards of taking regular siestas.

beeg, an illegal mexican mistress locked in the basement could require that from a person... :p
Yup.....

heh heh heh

Got an oversupply ya need a mite o' help with?


I been siessta-in all my life.....

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quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Am I?

Hey, weren't u in the military traveling around the world doing your duty for your country? Without a wife or gf for months or longer?. I wonder what the statistics are for military men using the services of prostitutes in other countries and me's wonder if a Cow was one of them therefor making him a hyprocrite... but he won't admit it even if he did...

Next he will say he wants to ban porn which probably aided him on lonely nights in another country if he didn't "date" prostitutes to "milk" himself... GOPer's.. can't ever make up their minds or they are usually hyprocrites if you could pry into their lives... [Razz]

Are you talking about a sailor at sea for months getting a blow job from a philipino hottie for a few drinks and a 20? Or are we talking about brothels in America. I thought we were talking about America. This is just another in your face B.S.

As for me no I didnt participate in anything like that. I was in Korea and saw it, but didnt participate. The practice is really not limited to military for some of you anti military folks. It is also found to be in demand with judges, doctors, perverts alike. Perhaps even yourself since you seem to not be bothered by it.


I bet you are all really butt hurt about Obama's pick for inauguration ceremony. Those flamers are going nuts.

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Those flamers are going nuts.

LOI - luaghin' on the inside...

Better protest louder outside the church. geez.

Obama just slapped all queers that voted for him in the face.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Peaser:
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Originally posted by bdgee:
Tex,

It is clear you have not learned the immense values and rewards of taking regular siestas.

beeg, an illegal mexican mistress locked in the basement could require that from a person... [Razz]
Yup.....

heh heh heh

Got an oversupply ya need a mite o' help with?


I been siessta-in all my life.....

lol, I know a good Canadian bar near Nappinnee, Ontario called Ducks. Been there a few times on fishin' trips to Bob's Lake. Gotta love that walleye fishin'.

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quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
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Originally posted by bdgee:
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Originally posted by Peaser:
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Originally posted by bdgee:
Tex,

It is clear you have not learned the immense values and rewards of taking regular siestas.

beeg, an illegal mexican mistress locked in the basement could require that from a person... :p
Yup.....

heh heh heh

Got an oversupply ya need a mite o' help with?


I been siessta-in all my life.....

lol, I know a good Canadian bar near Nappinnee, Ontario called Ducks. Been there a few times on fishin' trips to Bob's Lake. Gotta love that walleye fishin'.
Can ya get to Angelo's on the west side o' Faot Wuth?
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"I bet you are all really butt hurt about Obama's pick for inauguration ceremony. Those flamers are going nuts."

Ain't no skin offa my hin-end, but it do seem to be chappin yourn.....

Ewe need to re-lax bit moa, boy.

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Are you talking about a sailor at sea for months getting a blow job from a philipino hottie for a few drinks and a 20? Or are we talking about brothels in America. I thought we were talking about America. This is just another in your face B.S.

Whether prostitution is here or outside the country, the point I was trying to make is it would be very hyprocritical to be against it here in America while you frequent hookers on your vacations or on your tour of duties in other countries. I am not saying you in particular but for Americans in general.

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As for me no I didnt participate in anything like that. I was in Korea and saw it, but didnt participate. The practice is really not limited to military for some of you anti military folks. It is also found to be in demand with judges, doctors, perverts alike. Perhaps even yourself since you seem to not be bothered by it.
Never said it was limited to just the military. I merely used the military as an example because you are the one with a high opinion against it & wanted to show that it is fairly common with the military so why shouldn't it be allowed here.

Btw even though it does not bother me it does not mean i frequent brothels. My stance on this issue is that a woman or man have a right to sell their bodies if they wish so, so as long as they are of legal age and pay their taxes on it. It would reduce street crime, child prostitution/human trafficking, reduce STD's and raise tax revenue which in turn could reduce our own taxes for non-prostitute taxpayers.


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I bet you are all really butt hurt about Obama's pick for inauguration ceremony. Those flamers are going nuts.
What did Obama do to tick them off? I been busy with work lately. But I don't recall him promising them anything in his campaign when he ran for the Presidency.

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Can ya get to Angelo's on the west side o' Faot Wuth?

mmmm, ribs.

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Thew ribs are great, but the sliced brisket is better....

Real food....

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So what's on the beef plate? [Big Grin]

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straight... or combo?

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I think prostitution should be legalized. It could be regulated very easily-They (independent prostitutes or their "pimps") have to have licenses (regular business and state cert.), girls have to be checked (physicals, licenses, certs) at regular intervals and must maintain accurate records , have limits on the time of day and where they can conduct business (I see kids getting out of school here in Detroit and have to walk by these nasty "streetwalkers" on their way home), they should have to check ID's for their "clients." I'm sure there is more but I say go ahead, legalize it. The dems are in office right now so they would probably regulate the heck out of it with agencies. The pubs, for now, would have to wait until they gain power so they can outsource whatever regulating body the dems create (probably to KBR, Dyncorp, blackwater, etc.) under some kind of no-bid contract.

I feel you could also do this with the legalization of pot. I don't smoke it, I don't like it, and most people I know that smoke it regularly are mostly dumb, slow, and lazy. Yeah, I know, everyone has a story about so and so that smoked a lot of pot back in the day and they are a doctor or a lawyer now or whatever. However, that is very rare. I say if you legalize it and regulate the heck out of it, you would put the other half of Detroit not working for the auto companies out of business. You can't throw a rock here in Detroit without hitting a house you can buy weed out of. Legalize it and regulate it. You could shut down those "weed houses," drive up the price, and force ID checks. Right now, any 12 year old can walk down the street and buy it if they have the money. Under strict regulation you might be able to reduce the number of younger people smoking it.

Actually, the agency created to regulate pot and prostitution could be the same agency. Any ideas for an acronym??????

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