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<<<<<GREAT NEWS>>>>>>LOGO NOGO!!!

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By: ct_here
13 Jan 2005, 09:39 PM EST
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LOGO NOGO!!..Postponed!!!

www.multichannel.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA496150&display=Breaking%20N...

Logo Launch Delayed Until June 30

Linda Moss 1/13/2005 5:24:00 PMMTV Networks is delaying the launch of Logo, its gay- and lesbian-targeted network, by four months, to June 30, officials said Thursday.

The network had been scheduled to bow Feb. 17, but that date was pushed back to enable Logo to line up more distribution and to offer more key original and acquired programming when it debuts, according to Brian Graden, president of Logo and president of entertainment for the MTVN Music Group.

By June, Logo will be able to roll out to 10 million subscribers, Graden said, rather than just the few million it would have had next month.

MTVN is in the final stages of negotiations for a carriage deal with Comcast Corp., Graden said, and the programmer has pacts with Adelphia Communications Corp. and RCN Corp. Time Warner Cable in Manhattan will also be carrying Logo.

In the meantime, Logo is putting its programming in place, and it has signed up three charter advertisers in three major categories: Subaru of America Inc., Paramount Pictures and Orbitz LLC.

Graden -- who wasn’t put in charge of Logo until October -- has green-lit three original series and made a major acquisition: Home Box Office’s 11-time Emmy Award-winner, Angels in America.

Since Logo is such an important and much-awaited project for both MTVN and the gay community, with high visibility, Graden said he “wanted to come out with a complete channel,” with all of the programming he wanted in place.

In beginning to put together Logo’s programming schedule, Graden said he wanted the channel to reflect and appeal to all segments of the gay population, its “diverse tapestry.”

So Logo’s first bunch of original series includes: Noah’s Arc, a scripted comedy-drama about African-American men in Los Angeles; My Fabulous Gay Wedding, featuring about-to-be-married gay and lesbian couples; and Cruise, from the producers of MTV: Music Television’s The Real World, about a gay ocean-liner cruise.

Logo will also have a diverse documentary slate under the moniker “Momentum.” That will include documentaries on gay Republicans, gay rodeo, a gay rugby team in Chicago, gay fraternities and sororities and one called In the Name of Allah about being gay in the conservative Muslim world.

“We’re trying to hit all ages, all creeds, all backgrounds,” Graden said.

Logo has also completed a round of theatrical and TV acquisitions, topped by Angels but also including Mulholland Drive, Being John Malkovich, Party Monster and the U.S. premiere of Colin Farrell’s A Home at the End of the World.

“I want Logo to be the ultimate aggregator [of gay content],” Graden said.

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logo NOGO!!!

I don't want to sound too smug but this does not surprise me in the least. Hello,,,I've been expecting it & said as much. Viacom needs some help. QBIB's got the answer.

By the way, did I mention,,,

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

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if we get carriers announced, what do you guys think we may see? im thinking atleast .03 back in april qbid went to .028 on practically no news compared to all the prs coming out recently. lately all the prs have been looking good and being in usa today and on the david letterman show within the past 7 days. i dont think you could ask for more. so, this things gotta atleast go past .03 so, what are you guys realistically predicting if we get carriers announced?
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no others can pass Q !!!

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Forget carriers for now. I am really interested right now to see what the news about Logo does for QBID. Frank may even release two pr's tommorrow. One in the morning about Logo and then later about the hosts. Whammy....WHAMMY
Watch out! We're coming through

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RB people probably think I'm a smartass!

I think I'm a little bit smart.

By: whizknock
05 Dec 2004, 01:43 PM EST Msg. 73292 of 83136
(Msg. is a reply to 73285 by slapshotmo.)
**Slapshotmo!**

Viacom knows th G/L community will not pay good money for the type of programing they offer. This demographic is working with $600 Billion Dollars of Discretionary income for a reason. Their numbers tend to be much better educated than than any other segment of society or minority. Viacom's Sumner Redstone wants to get in on the gold rush & he knows that MTV's form of programing is unlikely to attract & hold this customer. MTV has made a mint by programing in such a way as not to challenge their audience on a cognitive level. Viacom may never launch LOGO,,,unless they buy QBID!

Frank has a history of developing & selling media companies. That's what he's doing now!!!! He may not say it but he will sell. When he has said there will be no reverse split as long as I'm a part of this company he's not saying there will never be a reverse split. He's saying it will not occur while he's the owner! He doesn't care about O/S. He simply cares about owning controlling interest. $3.80 a share for 1.5 billion shares is the same as .38 a share for 15 billion shares.

Frank has said this will be worth about $5 Billion in 5 years. I guarantee you he will not own this 5 years from now. Frank will sell the whole thing for approximately $6 billion in less than two years. Viacom's first bid will be about .24! They'll settle at .38
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So OK! Maybe it happens sooner than later & I'll have to settle for .38 eventhough my target to sell my core position is $1.25! Then again Frank may never let Viacom have it at any price. Imagine, Frank said he would be OK with being #2! Poor guy, hope he can cope with being #1!


By the way, did I mention,,,

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

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Be careful whiz. I think Frank does care about the o/s. If you're a company purchasing QBID, would you rather buy shares that are considered volitile or shares that are somewhat stable and aren't controlled by rumors and hype? Imagine if SIRI had as many shares as us and all the great news they've been having did as little as what we're experiencing. I think Frank cares, or at least should, a lot about the o/s. I'll say it again. Watch out. The o/s may surprise a lot of you all in a very good way if or when they ever release numbers. Matt
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Already hit the New York Times!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/14/business/media/14logo.html?oref=regi

I think they're scared to death of Q!!!

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Can you copy and paste that? You need to be a member to see the article
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quote:
Originally posted by permanentjaun:
Be careful whiz. I think Frank does care about the o/s. If you're a company purchasing QBID, would you rather buy shares that are considered volitile or shares that are somewhat stable and aren't controlled by rumors and hype? Imagine if SIRI had as many shares as us and all the great news they've been having did as little as what we're experiencing. I think Frank cares, or at least should, a lot about the o/s. I'll say it again. Watch out. The o/s may surprise a lot of you all in a very good way if or when they ever release numbers. Matt

You're right! Frank does care about O/S. What I should have said is he cares more about his having absolute control. In any event now Frank must come to terms with the reality that he will probably not have to settle for being #2.

Furthermore I responded to one of your previous posts about a possible positive surprise on actual O/S. I've very quietly felt the same because there's flatout no question in my mind that Frank will sell this company someday & he wants to wow anyone interested in what he's accomplished! Yep, I agree with you Matt he cares & we will benifit huge.

The only question I have anymore is do I see my $1.25 a share before he sells.

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

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Here you go..... -Again, my feeling is this delay is all about a fear of the quality of programming Q has in place! By coming out with what they have - they would look like fools!

Ha! Congrats to Frank and Co.!!!!

FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES BUSINESS SECTION:

MTV Postpones the Debut of a Gay Channel
By BILL CARTER

Published: January 14, 2005


TV Networks' plan to start a cable channel devoted to gay and lesbian programming has been slightly delayed, the company announced yesterday, with a new start date for the channel, called Logo, pushed back five months, to June 30.

Brian Graden, the president of Logo, said the delay - the channel was originally scheduled to start Feb. 17 - was aimed mainly at insuring that the channel would be "a complete service," with 24 hours of programming from its first day.

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To that end, the channel announced a wide range of programs yesterday including three original series, a slate of documentaries, news coverage from CBS News and some well-known movie titles, headed by the first broadcast of the mini-series "Angels in America," winner of multiple Emmy Awards, after its run on HBO.

"This had to be perfect from the minute we went on," Mr. Graden said, adding that the February date would have made that difficult to achieve. For one thing, pushing the date back will enable the channel to start up with access to about 10 million homes, far more than the 2 million or so that would have been available in February.

Mr. Graden said the channel had also been able to sign three charter advertisers, and expects an additional four or more by June. The three signed so far are the carmaker Subaru of America; Orbitz, the Internet travel company; and the movie studio Paramount. (The last is an in-house advertiser because, like MTV Networks, Paramount is owned by Viacom).

Logo will be distributed exclusively on the digital tier of cable systems, which will give it an ultimate reach of up to 40 million homes. Mr. Graden said that so far he had not encountered any resistance from cable operators to the planned program content.

"There definitely has to be a conversation," Mr. Graden said. "We have to take the time to explain to some of them that there's really nothing to be afraid of."

Among the programs Mr. Graden announced yesterday was a reality series that will be set on a gay cruise, a drama about young black gay men and another reality series about planning a gay wedding, with the former "Kids in the Hall" star, Scott Thompson, as the host.

Mr. Graden said the documentary lineup includes a film about a gay rugby team that plays in an otherwise straight league. "It's kind of a cliché," Mr. Graden said, "but they haven't won a game in their first two years. But they're getting better. I'm hoping for a kind of 'Bad News Bears' thing to happen."

Other films will be about lesbian surfers, gay Republicans and gays and lesbians living in Muslim culture. And one will feature a performance of "The Vagina Monologues" but with a cast entirely made up of transgendered females.

Mr. Graden said he had gone all out to acquire Hollywood studio films with gay themes. "I think we have every title from a major studio in the history of gay art."

The list is headed by "Angels in America." Mr. Graden would not reveal what Logo had paid for the rights to the mini-series, except to say, "It was not a cheap purchase."

He added, "Anything of real value the channel is going after. I want to be the ultimate aggregator of this material."

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I have a feeling that we may have a good day tomorrow I think i am going to take my laptop with me to work tomorrow so that i can check in on our baby tomorrow.

can you smell what the Q has cookin !!!!!!!

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I'm thinking that any gay-themed commercials from Subaru, Orbitz and Paramount, previously intended for Logo's audience, now have to sit in the can until June 30th unless they decide to run them on Q instead.

Just another way Logo's delay could benefit Q.

Commercials don't age well, it's "use'em or lose'em" for a lot of them. If Q hadn't signed these advertisers before, it just got easier. Just thinking out loud.

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I agree with you . timign is everythign and some commercials get stale if they are not aired at the right time.

very good point.

Rod

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I'm thinking that any gay-themed commercials from Subaru, Orbitz and Paramount, previously intended for Logo's audience, now have to sit in the can until June 30th unless they decide to run them on Q instead.

Just another way Logo's delay could benefit Q.

Commercials don't age well, it's "use'em or lose'em" for a lot of them. If Q hadn't signed these advertisers before, it just got easier. Just thinking out loud.



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A couple things I'm not understanding in the Logo PR.

1. Why push it back 5 months to produce shows? If Qbid is coming out with new shows left and right what is so difficult for a network with huge available resources to do the same? I doubt it takes even 5 months for MTV to get a whole season of Real World produced.

2. What is all the talk about Logo being "distributed exclusively on the digital tier of cable systems." Does this mean it will be a premium channel like QBID? Or does this mean if anyone pays for a complete digital cable package they will get Logo even if they didnt ask for it?

Im kinda upset that Logo got former kids in the hall star, Scott Thompson. He's hilarious and will surely be something to watch.

But yes this is great news for Q. This should bring in a lot of new investors that were afraid of Logos quick approaching launch. Q will be the number one gay channel in America.

Whizknock - As far as o/s, what would happen if Frank put out a pr stating that they have proceeded to buy back more shares, cancelled the 6 billion, and then destroyed the excess of Franks. BUT still released no numbers besides the 6 billion. Do you think this would be enough for people to start guessing about the o/s enough that would could act similar to SIRI and see multiple dollar pps? That's a long shot I'm sure but I haven't been in the penny game long. Could a lack of knowledge in o/s be enough to push the price up if people believe there are significant reductions in the o/s amount?

Thats the only other reason I could possibly think as to why they haven't released numbers on the o/s yet. Matt

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That is true about the commercials needing to be used. A lot of new car models just got introduced. I know Subaru just put out the Tribeca which is their newest model. It's a new SUV like the BMW X3. They don't have any other cars similar to this in their lineup so they are certainly going to want to advertise that NOW. Logo delaying could cause a lot of heat with Subaru at least. They need to put their model out there with the other automotive players. Matt
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Logo got Scott Thompson? That's hilarious; I was just watching Celebrity Poker and thinking Q should get Dave Foley for one of their hosts. How much more mileage can he get out of saying "shuffle up and deal"?
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Ha...he does save that show though. If Celebrity Poker were an investor they would be the casual trader that doesn't know how to keep up with the news and gets into a stock after the bubble has been burst. The poker world is saturated enough, now we have to watch celebrities play the worst, most humiliating poker ever. They need to stick to their multimillion dollar careers.
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Why does people keep saying we may be surprised about O/S. He told us what O/S is so what is the surprise. It was 14.5 billion after buyback and after he retires his 1 billion he announced it will be 13.5 billion. 6 Billion of that is restricted. Theres no surprise there he told us this in CC.

From CC 6 billion restricted + 9.5 billion - 1 billion buyback. That was in CC then Pr a month later said 1 billion retired from Frank's shares. Thats 13.5 billion, whats the surprise everyone keeps talking about?

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Be careful whiz. I think Frank does care about the o/s. If you're a company purchasing QBID, would you rather buy shares that are considered volitile or shares that are somewhat stable and aren't controlled by rumors and hype? Imagine if SIRI had as many shares as us and all the great news they've been having did as little as what we're experiencing. I think Frank cares, or at least should, a lot about the o/s. I'll say it again. Watch out. The o/s may surprise a lot of you all in a very good way if or when they ever release numbers. Matt



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All because they completed the initial buyback doesn't mean they can't purchase more shares. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. I just can't find any other reasons as to why they didn't release numbers in the pr stating how many shares were bought back and exact totals, etc. Remember how we were all dissappointed with the pr because it pretty much just said, completion of initial buyback complete.
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quote:
Originally posted by permanentjaun:
A couple things I'm not understanding in the Logo PR.

1. Why push it back 5 months to produce shows? If Qbid is coming out with new shows left and right what is so difficult for a network with huge available resources to do the same? I doubt it takes even 5 months for MTV to get a whole season of Real World produced.

Whizknock - As far as o/s, what would happen if Frank put out a pr stating that they have proceeded to buy back more shares, cancelled the 6 billion, and then destroyed the excess of Franks. BUT still released no numbers besides the 6 billion. Do you think this would be enough for people to start guessing about the o/s enough that would could act similar to SIRI and see multiple dollar pps? That's a long shot I'm sure but I haven't been in the penny game long. Could a lack of knowledge in o/s be enough to push the price up if people believe there are significant reductions in the o/s amount?

Thats the only other reason I could possibly think as to why they haven't released numbers on the o/s yet. Matt

Matt!

Viacom actually had to re-think their programing because it's my belief that they were going to go with the MTV style format & target the younger set. It would not have worked across the board because the stuff they do is for people with a really weak sense of self idenity. Even younger lesbians & gays have alreaady taken a hard look at who they are & have taken pretty big social risks on the weight of simply being real. Hell I can't even watch MTV because it's so shallow. Viacom was going to let MTV do this thing & they're not ready for this market period!

As far as a coralation between us & SIRI, there are some factors we have in common. I've got to get some sleep & work tomorrow so I won't go into that now.

But I will say this. If SIRI was working with our share count at worst they would be trading at .50 a share!!!

Now sleep on this!!!!

Keep in mind they're radio,,,

WITH OUR HEADSTART WE WILL HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH XM!!!

That's right! QBID for all intents & purposes is the market leader!!!Bar None!!!

Compare those numbers & you'll find we're worth,,,,OVER A DOLLAR A SHARE!!!!

Keep in mind they're radio!

But what the hell,,, we all knew,,,Genuine Broadcasting National "TV" Networks do not trade for less than $1 a share!!!!!!!!!

Which brings me to one little point,,,,,,,

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

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I dought that Matt, As much as Frank wants the PPS to rise he would diffently tell us of another buyback and plus that cost more money when we don't even have a subsciption base to get money from right now. I am not saying Frank won't buy back more shares but he has to have the money to do it first. AS stated in my post on Os in the past he sold a billion high and bought it back low is how he did it the first time. So the only way he can do it again is do the same thing and that will do us no good. WHERES the money.

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Not saying he want buyback when the company starts making money. I think he proved he will but we have to start making money first.

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If they wanted the PPS to stay low for a buyback wouldn't it hurt them if they announced another buyback? The price could rise from the good news.

Where is the money coming from for the million dollars in advertising? Where is the money coming from to sign celebrity hosts? They have to have money somewhere. Yes business isn't straight forward and they could get deals for advertising but they certainly aren't going to get free advertising. It's a pinksheet. We don't know a lot of the financial workings.

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Thats what the 6 billion restricted shares was for. To get a loan to buy movies and get gay games and run company over the next 2 years while starting up. The last buyback money was from the first sale of stocks in May. With a little profit to boot to pay salariers I would guess.

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Wasn't part of the loan that the pps had to be so high for the loan to be in effect?
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That was for a different loan. That was for enough money in loans for operations for 5 years. It was more for back up just in case it took longer to get going. That wasn't part of the loan that had the 6 billion restricted as collaterial.

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We can agree to disagree then. It's just my believe that there are great things going on with the o/s. I still don't see a reason as to why they would not put out numbers in the pr about buyback completion. If they completed the buyback then they were successful in taking off the shares they wanted. They reached their goal and didn't fall short. Ric, you do have very conclusive evidence to show how many o/s there are but you are a long holder and research QBID constantly. Frank and company wouldn't be that stupid to not give the same information to the average investor or day trader. I'm trying to find reasons as to why they would do that. The reason I'm finding is they want to play with the o/s some more. Matt
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Well I just found out that I may lose my job in Oct...such is the life in government contracting.

So....Let's go Q! Daddy wants to retire before he turns 28! (Nov 11 in case some of you want to send a card, lol)

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quote:
Originally posted by skrewball:
Well I just found out that I may lose my job in Oct...such is the life in government contracting.

So....Let's go Q! Daddy wants to retire before he turns 28! (Nov 11 in case some of you want to send a card, lol)

I think we better get working on making you a millionaire then, shouldn't we?.......GLTU
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My streamer is showing a bid/ask for Q
Hm........0039/.004

Bid ask for Q?

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Dont LOSE more than you can afford to invest....LOL

I'm buying low and selling into the run...

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MIne also, I thought I was seeing things..... [Big Grin]
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Good Morning...QBID seems to be doing very well. Frank is making progress and things are coming together! Patience. [Smile]

Also, Just wanted to give a heads up to EPYR...It's moving before the bell on a late afternoon press release....Diana, Lady Q, mentioned it yesterday...(Girl, you can pick 'em!!)...So I put it on a watch list...and of course it's easing on up.

Okay, happy trading...

Good morning Diana!! [Big Grin]

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Mornin' Sunny.....

Where is everyone this morning?

Ok...gotta' go get a refill of the joe....

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Lil,

Dont LOSE more than you can afford to invest....LOL

I'm buying low and selling into the run...

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Morning Gang. Like the news about Logo. All will come together for the Q.

Happy trading!

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