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jordanreed
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freedom...do what you want as long as no one else is hurt or bothered?

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jordanreed stole my idea.
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Oh, and I almost forgot.

Not being expected to meddle in or even know what others do (including religion).

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i'm not sure i get your drift...

freedom to me means i can sit inside my own house and not get burned out by the ATF [Roll Eyes]

no-knock warrants? sheesh... Thomas Jefferson is crying...
or?

when i am arrested? i can apppear before a judge (habeus corpus) and get speedy trial..

d'oh.... that's gone now too....(Padilla)

and any people that are crying for this stuff call themselves conservative (shame on you) [Razz]

ya... more like this! Anybody can make curtains from flags (ie, flag-drape) ...

what you're saying is Waco bothers you...
etc. etc.

to the point that whom the US Gumment calls terrorists down there in Cuba...need to be brought into open court?

don't get me wrong--*I* want the judge, too; at some point, though...I don't want my 14-year-old daughter runnin' off with branch ruffians...whose privacy is protected

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I don't want my 14-year-old daughter runnin' off with branch ruffians...whose privacy is protected

i don't either, but there is a way to process the law that protects freedom, and there is a way that destroys it...

Koresh coulda been picked up in town..he wasn't hiding...

and? religious freedom isn't exclusive to "organised religion"...
my understanding is that Koresh was a child molestor... and deserved to be prosecuted for it.

the ATF isn't about child molesting...

Gitmo? i don't think is a constitutional issue..people picked up overseas and never brought here don't have US Constitutional Freedom/Rights.
Padilla? He is a US citizen taken on US soil and was held in a South Carolina Navy Brig, and other US places, without trial... the charges have been changed numerous times...

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quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
freedom...do what you want as long as no one else is hurt or bothered?

seems simple, to you and me and a few others...

but then defining "hurt" or "bothered" become problems/questions...

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always will be...

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
I don't want my 14-year-old daughter runnin' off with branch ruffians...whose privacy is protected

i don't either, but there is a way to process the law that protects freedom, and there is a way that destroys it...

Koresh coulda been picked up in town..he wasn't hiding...

and? religious freedom isn't exclusive to "organised religion"...
my understanding is that Koresh was a child molestor... and deserved to be prosecuted for it.

the ATF isn't about child molesting...

Gitmo? i don't think is a constitutional issue..people picked up overseas and never brought here don't have US Constitutional Freedom/Rights.
Padilla? He is a US citizen taken on US soil and was held in a South Carolina Navy Brig, and other US places, without trial... the charges have been changed numerous times...

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i don't either, but there is a way to process the law that protects freedom, and there is a way that destroys it...

agreed...

that *seems* to be the problem, does it not?


one thing I'm asking is, how is *that* being witnessed?

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In order to have Constitutional rights, you have to be a US citizen. That is what the Constitution is, an enumeration of rights for citizens. Try going to another country, such as Germany, France, Poland, Saudi Arabia, Isreal, or any other country besides the US and try to vote, ask for due process if you sneek in illegally, try to own property, or some places, depending on your sex, to drive a car. See how they react when you ask for your "rights" over there. You have none, besides what has been agreed upon by treaties between the US and the country you are in. In Mexico, unless you are a citizen, you cannot own property. They SHOOT people who sneek in on their southern border.

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"In order to have Constitutional rights, you have to be a US citizen."

Thatis a bluntly false statement.

The constitution does not grant the Bill of Rights to cirtizens nor does it present rights to "the people". It specifies that the government may not deny them to "the people" not "the citizens".

Even an illegal alien, arrested for a crime, has the right to council and a fair trial, not because the Constitution states that he has those rights, but because it says the Government cannot deny them.

I am best protected by having a government that cannot absolve your rights (even though, no doubt, you deserve the worst.....lol}.

And Frenchman in Tulsa, Oklahoma can burn the flag, because Congress can make no law.....

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Far too many people...

quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
ya know what gets me? Who has time/money/energy to go around telling other folk what to with their private lives?



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little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

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As a liberal I believe that we as a nation should spend money to cover basic necessities for the people within our borders.

I think everyone should have a place to sleep, basic nutrition, basic health care, and as much education as they can handle.

I think that a good chunk of those on the streets are folks with mental/emotional problems that have no one to care for them and have fallen through the cracks of the system and do not have the personal faculties to "pull themselves up" or "work hard and succeed."

I agree welfare is mismanaged. Cigarettes, ice cream, tv diners, and Cheezit’s are amenities, they have nothing to do with basic nutrition and welfare money should not be used for such.

I believe it is not for our government to spend billions fighting the war on drugs in other countries. Secure our borders and don't let them in if they are such a problem but spend the dollars in house, not abroad.

I think we need a secure southern border. I also think that the current illegal alien situation is due to years of negligence and our government should be accountable for that.

You are right; the difference in my mind, between liberal and conservative is one of human value. I value all humans. The conservative party (from what I can see) only assigns value to those who have the capacity to be productive.

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"The conservative party (from what I can see) only assigns value to those who have the capacity to be productive."

Or those born to wealth, whether or not they have the capacity or willingness to be productive.

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Great thoughts. It's sad that compassion and human values are now "liberal."

quote:
Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
As a liberal I believe that we as a nation should spend money to cover basic necessities for the people within our borders.

I think everyone should have a place to sleep, basic nutrition, basic health care, and as much education as they can handle.

I think that a good chunk of those on the streets are folks with mental/emotional problems that have no one to care for them and have fallen through the cracks of the system and do not have the personal faculties to "pull themselves up" or "work hard and succeed."

I agree welfare is mismanaged. Cigarettes, ice cream, tv diners, and Cheezit’s are amenities, they have nothing to do with basic nutrition and welfare money should not be used for such.

I believe it is not for our government to spend billions fighting the war on drugs in other countries. Secure our borders and don't let them in if they are such a problem but spend the dollars in house, not abroad.

I think we need a secure southern border. I also think that the current illegal alien situation is due to years of negligence and our government should be accountable for that.

You are right; the difference in my mind, between liberal and conservative is one of human value. I value all humans. The conservative party (from what I can see) only assigns value to those who have the capacity to be productive.



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Now watch the thread sink like a stone...

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Quote: The Bigfoot,

"think that a good chunk of those on the streets are folks with mental/emotional problems that have no one to care for them and have fallen through the cracks of the system and do not have the personal faculties to "pull themselves up" or "work hard and succeed."
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Bottom line it is mostly lack of money caused from lack of jobs, although some do have major mental problems, we seem to want to feel that is the reason for being homeless.
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Article By Jocelyn Y Stewart


But in 1996, a comprehensive study on homelessness by the Census Bureau (news - web sites), co-sponsored by the VA and other federal agencies, offered a disturbing look at the men and women who once wore uniforms.


Although 47% of homeless veterans served during the Vietnam era, the study found, soldiers from as far back as World War II and as recent as the Persian Gulf War (news - web sites) also ended up homeless.


It is impossible to know exactly how many U.S. veterans are on the streets, but experts estimate that about 300,000 of them are homeless on any given night and that about half a million experience homelessness at some point during the year.
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This is just a small part of this article, but a very important part, that many forget about.
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Annual Homeless Assessment Report (AHAR)


HUD’s Annual Homeless Assessment Report to Congress measures homelessness over time, allowing researchers to expand their body of knowledge beyond more limited estimates in the past. HUD unveiled new data from Continuums of Care (CoC) that indicates 754,000 persons are living in emergency shelter, transitional housing, and on the streets on any given night. In addition, data from Homeless Management Information Systems (HMIS), available for the first time, indicated that 704,000 persons used emergency shelter and transitional housing during a three-month period (February-April) in 2005.

“This first-of-its kind study is a huge leap forward in our understanding of not only how many people are homeless, but also what their needs are,” said HUD Secretary Alphonso Jackson. “We’ve got to remember that behind these numbers are people – individuals and families who are struggling to survive. This first report and those that follow will help us gauge how well our efforts, as well as those of our partners at the state and local level and the nonprofit sector, are working to help the homeless. We all must work in concert together to help our nation’s most vulnerable.”

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UNBELIEVABLE!

Shocking Senatorial Votes

Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat
you with experience.

The following senators voted against making English the official language
of America :

Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Now, the following are the senators who voted to give illegal aliens
Social Security benefits. They are grouped by home state. If a state
is not listed, there was no voting representative.

Alaska : Stevens (R)
Arizona : McCain (R)
Arkansas : Lincoln (D) Pryor (D)
California : Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)
Colorado : Salazar (D)
Connecticut : Dodd (D) Lieberman (D)
Delaware : Biden (D) Carper (D)
Florida : Martinez (R)
Hawaii : Akaka (D) Inouye (D)
Illinois : Durbin (D) Obama (D)
Indiana : Bayh (D) Lugar (R)
Iowa : Harkin (D)
Kansas : Brownback (R)
Louisiana : Landrieu (D)
Maryland : Mikulski (D) Sarbanes (D)
Massachusetts : Kennedy (D) Kerry (D)
Montana : Baucus (D)
Nebraska : Hagel (R)
Nevada : Reid (D)
New Jersey : Lautenberg (D) Menendez (D)
New Mexico : Bingaman (D)
New York : Clinton (D) Schumer (D)
North Dakota : Dorgan (D)
Ohio : DeWine (R) Voinovich(R)
Oregon: Wyden (D)
Pennsylvania: Specter (R)
Rhode Island: Chafee (R) Reed (D)
South Carolina: Graham (R)
South Dakota: Johnson (D)
Vermont: Jeffords (I) Leahy (D)
Washington: Cantwell (D) Murray (D)
West Virginia : Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting
Wisconsin: Feingold (D) Kohl (D)

THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES NEEDS
TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION, UNLESS THEY DON'T MIND SHARING THEIR SOCIAL
SECURITY WITH FOREIGN WORKERS WHO DIDN'T PAY IN A DIME.

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The part about illegal aliens and social security is rather interesting. I thought that you have to pay into the system to get a percentage of money out. I know in some cases, illegal aliens do put into the social security system, but i am not sure how medicare would work, which is part of that same system(That being a full benefit no matter how much is paid into the system, i think). I would love to see how the document is worded that they are voting on to see if there is a way that all illegals could possibly get social security and medicare or if it is just the one's that paid into the system.
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quote:
Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
The part about illegal aliens and social security is rather interesting. I thought that you have to pay into the system to get a percentage of money out. I know in some cases, illegal aliens do put into the social security system, but i am not sure how medicare would work, which is part of that same system(That being a full benefit no matter how much is paid into the system, i think). I would love to see how the document is worded that they are voting on to see if there is a way that all illegals could possibly get social security and medicare or if it is just the one's that paid into the system.

NOBODY from Texas?

lol...

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I don't see anyone from California... But we don't have any illegal people in our state. [Smile]
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quote:
California : Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)
[Confused]

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I must have missed them. Are they from California?
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Hop-skotchin' jeosephat...I'm looking at the same list you are...a few posts up, yes?

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You mean that list that shows Boxer and Feinstein. I had a little run in with their offices a few years ago, i think they are from Arizona. [Smile]
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you'd know better than I do ...


give 'em hell [Big Grin]

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Hereabouts, we got a sayin':

"Fight 'em till Hell freezes over,
then Fight 'Em on the Ice!"

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"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat
you with experience."

Ok......

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Here's the real scoop on...

ENGLISH AS OFFICIAL LANGUAGE VOTE

SOCIAL SECURITY VOTE FOR ALIENS VOTE

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
"Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat
you with experience."

Ok......

I knew you would like that...
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I'm not arguing with you.
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quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
UNBELIEVABLE!

Shocking Senatorial Votes

Never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat
you with experience.

The following senators voted against making English the official language
of America :

Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Now, the following are the senators who voted to give illegal aliens
Social Security benefits. They are grouped by home state. If a state
is not listed, there was no voting representative.

Alaska : Stevens (R)
Arizona : McCain (R)
Arkansas : Lincoln (D) Pryor (D)
California : Boxer (D) Feinstein (D)
Colorado : Salazar (D)
Connecticut : Dodd (D) Lieberman (D)
Delaware : Biden (D) Carper (D)
Florida : Martinez (R)
Hawaii : Akaka (D) Inouye (D)
Illinois : Durbin (D) Obama (D)
Indiana : Bayh (D) Lugar (R)
Iowa : Harkin (D)
Kansas : Brownback (R)
Louisiana : Landrieu (D)
Maryland : Mikulski (D) Sarbanes (D)
Massachusetts : Kennedy (D) Kerry (D)
Montana : Baucus (D)
Nebraska : Hagel (R)
Nevada : Reid (D)
New Jersey : Lautenberg (D) Menendez (D)
New Mexico : Bingaman (D)
New York : Clinton (D) Schumer (D)
North Dakota : Dorgan (D)
Ohio : DeWine (R) Voinovich(R)
Oregon: Wyden (D)
Pennsylvania: Specter (R)
Rhode Island: Chafee (R) Reed (D)
South Carolina: Graham (R)
South Dakota: Johnson (D)
Vermont: Jeffords (I) Leahy (D)
Washington: Cantwell (D) Murray (D)
West Virginia : Rockefeller (D), by Not Voting
Wisconsin: Feingold (D) Kohl (D)

THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES NEEDS
TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION, UNLESS THEY DON'T MIND SHARING THEIR SOCIAL
SECURITY WITH FOREIGN WORKERS WHO DIDN'T PAY IN A DIME.

Quite possibly the best post ever!
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So?

Are you proposing we collect the tax from them with the intention of never giving any of it back?

It's supposed to be a payrooll tax, supplied as an investment, not a gift to the treasury.

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Look they are paying in it is easy to say the hell with them and look smug.

But they are hear they work and most of them get the taxes and such deducted from there pay checks.

So they should get the return if they qualify.

Most employers are using them and it would not surprise me if the deductions are only a paper one and entry the taxs that are shown as a deduction go right in these filthy criminal employers pockect. Anyway I thought we were going to start to put these bozo scum employers in jail or deport the bums.

One can only hope and pray the law to be carried out . Until that day we will have to live with the smell of treason in the air

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Has anyone else noticed that these "Limbaugh lovers" are dumber than a bag of hammers?

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Quite possibly the best post ever!



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Bite me Gordon. Rush is the man!
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RUSH LIMBAUGH : A HISTORY

Political commentator, radio host, college drop-out, alleged closet homosexual, and, as recently revealed, synthetic heroin drug addict, Rush Hudson Limbaugh III is probably the best known neocon personality in American radio.

Born in Cape Girardeau, MO, in 1951, Limbaugh spent many of his formative years pursuing a career in radio.

After using his pilonidal cyst - a congenital birth defect - to avoid military service in the Vietnam War, Limbaugh briefly worked for radio stations in Pittsburgh, PA and Kansas City, MO. Fired from both jobs, he worked as a wiener salesman for the KC Royals baseball franchise, eventually slithering back into the radio business.

In 1971 Limbaugh attended Southeastern Missouri University, where, according to reports, he had a brief but heated affair with Elliot Sanders. So gay is Limbaugh, guarantees Sanders, that, "none of his marriages was ever consummated."

Many of Limbaugh's fans staunchly deny the man's alleged homosexuality, and Limbaugh himself says the rumors are politically motivated lies. However, one is forced to doubt Limbaugh, who has a history of denying and balking at rumors that are later revealed to be true. His pilonidal cyst, his pseudonymous career in Pittsburgh radio, and his addiction to Oxycontin are all facts which Limbaugh initially denied or concealed.

After more failed stints with Missouri radio stations Limbaugh moved to Sacramento, CA, where he met and became "friends" with Norm Woodruff, a flamboyant, openly gay man with a great deal of influence in the local radio scene. Woodruff, who mentored Limbaugh in the ways of affluence and elitism (traits Rush mocks today), would later died of AIDS.

Through his ties to Woodruff Limbaugh was given Morton Downey, Jr.'s spot on KFBK News Talk 1530 a.m. Within twelve months Limbaugh had become the most popular radio personality in Sacramento. In 1988 he signed on with EFM Media Management, working from New York City.

For a short while Limbaugh plateaued, until the success and enormous popularity of a Democratic president provided him with a reason to whine.

The popularity and charisma of President Clinton enabled Limbaugh's hate-filled show to appeal to millions of bitter American conservatives. Limbaugh's unique combination of prevarication and histrionics provided a sense of unity for otherwise incompatible demographics, such as Klansmen and Wall Street stock brokers.

By the mid-90's Limbaugh's promoters had co-opted his show to enough nationwide syndicates to claim Limbaugh was the "most popular radio personality" in the country. Technically this was false. However, the free handout out of Limbaugh's show to any station that wanted it resulted in Limbaugh being the most listened-to man on a.m. radio.

Inspired by Clinton-induced vitriol, Limbaugh paid a ghostwriter to author for him See, I Told You So (1992), Nanny Nanny, Boo Boo (1993), and I'm Rubber. You're Glue. Whatever You Say Bounces off Me and Sticks to You (1994).

After miserably failing on television, Limbaugh spiraled into depression, eventually becoming addicted to pain pills prescribed to him for his pilonidal cyst (a.k.a. "Butt Boil"). For nearly eight years Limbaugh abused Hydrocodone, a synthetic, stronger version of heroin.

In effect, Limbaugh spent nearly a decade stoned off his bleeding backside, and ultimately built up his tolerance to levels requiring dozens of pills per day in order to, as Limbaugh once confided in his maid, "get my buzz on."

A textbook example of the damning effects of drug abuse, Limbaugh's addiction precipitated a swift drop in weight, deafness in both ears, and a marked decline in mental faculties.

He also became increasingly paranoid - requiring his provider to meet him at night behind restaurants, next to dumpsters, where he'd hand over cigar boxes stuffed with "cabbage" (cash) in exchange for some "little baby blues" (pills). Limbaugh's desperation peaked in 2003, when he groped his provider in an attempt to check her for a wire tap.

By late 2003 the whole world knew of Limbaugh's drug addiction, though by virtue of their lack of character the majority of his fan base remained loyal listeners. Limbaugh's show remained popular, despite the rapid rise of Liberal Talk Show host Al Franken and the dogged attempts by the Bush administration to shut down long time talk show staple Howard Stern.

In May 2004 Rush's third wife, Marta, grew tired of never having sex with her allegedly closeted homosexual of a husband, and so asked for a divorce. Limbaugh complied after his desperate wife agreed to never reveal the true nature of Rush's sexual perversion.

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